Yes very good point, Stalin's Soviet Union was horrific, but I was thinking about Suslov and his leadership. (not to mention I was being sarcastic) Now that you mention it though is Suslov less of a monster than Stalin and trying to reform the Soviet Union, or is he just as bad as Stalin?
The Land of Milk and Honey; A story about alternate Cold War
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Everyone except few people of the time (Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler) are no worse than Stalin. But that does not mean that they are "good guys". Suslov is still a murderer, despite his future actions or legacy. He will try to reform the Soviet Union but he still has blood on his hands.
1960 US Presidential Election
Captain Johnson is ready to guide the nation throught its darkest hours!
- Lyndon B. Johnson, former Captain of the US Navy, representative of the moderate hawks.
- John F. Kennedy, United States Senator from Massachussets, representative of the liberal hawks.
- Adlai Stevenson, Governor of Illinois, representative of the detente-supporters.
- Richard Russel Jr., representative of the Southern Democrats.
Republican candidates for 1960 US Presidential Election:
- Harold Stassen, Vice-President of the United States, representative of MacArthurism.
- Barry Goldwater, representative of conservatives.
- Henry Cabot Lodge Jr., representative of moderates.
Major issues of the election:
- Expansion of Communism.
- Johnson favoured strategy of supporting anti-communist allies to discourage them from turning to the Left.
- Stassen favoured interventionist, "MacArthurist" approach ("To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their women.")
- Failure of American space efforts.
- Johnson and Stassen both favoured expansion of NASA's fundings.
- Feminism.
- Stassen heavily supported Equal Rights Amendment.
- Civil Rights
- Both sides remained largely quiet about that.
Major events of an election campaign:
- Publication of John F. Kennedy's medical records about Addison's disease destroyed his campaign.
- Douglas MacArthur threw his support to Stassen.
- One of the former Joe McCarthy's Commission members was tried for spying on behalf Soviet Union, sparking nation-wide attention and discreditation of Stassen.
- Barry Goldwater gained considerable support from black community due to his support for a "freedom and equality policies".
- Valentina Tereshkova's flight discredited American space efforts.
- Leakage of recording containing Douglas MacArthur's cursing about first cosmonaut in space virtually halted Stassen efforts to gain presidency.
Final results:
Lyndon B. Johnson/Hubert Humphrey - 34,310,984 / 350 EV
Barry Goldwater/Robert B. Anderson - 34,018,157 / 187 EV
United States' New Frontier
James E. Webb, 2nd Administrator of NASA
- First orbital flight - intended for 1963
- Establishment of the Earth's long-duration space station - intended for 1968 [1]
- Manned lunar landing - intended for 1973
[1] Heavily influenced by the KGB maskirovka efforts to hide successes and flaws of the Soviet space program. Interception of an American spy in the Soviet Union allowed them to convince CIA that the Soviet Union plans to construct orbital station in the Low Earth orbit.
Resurgence of the Civil Rights Movement
"My fellow Americans. Communist Control Commission has purified the Civil Right Movement. There is no need to stop progress in the name of Old Convenances. Old days are over.
(...)
Onward soldiers! For The Union!"
- Douglas MacArthur; September 4, 1957
Elizabeth Eckford (October 4, 1941 - September 4, 1957)
African American girl who had tried to attend classes at Little Rock Central High School. Her death (by the hands of a white supremacist mob) sparked nation-wide attention and has led to the direct intervention of Douglas MacArthur.
Troops from the 327th Regiment, 101st Airborne escorts African American students to the Little Rock Central High School. Insertion of Federal forces into state schools damaged reputation of the Douglas MacArthur in the Southern states.
Anti-desegregation protest in Little Rock, Arkansas composed from the white parent blocking attempts of black entrance into Little Rock Central High School. Their staunch opposition created uneasy situation of a standoff between them and Federal troops (September 4, 1957).
Douglas "Uncle Doug" MacArthur (January 26, 1880 - April 5, 1964) personally traveled to Little Rock, Arkansas. He ordered Federal troops to force their way through the white supremacist protestors.
Daisy Bates (November 11, 1914 - September 19, 1961)
Prominent member of the American Civil Rights Movement from Arkansas. Her death (she was burnt alive) fueled radicalism of the Civil Rights Movement.
[1] Well, Douglas MacArthur can not be completely evil. He is hardline on communism but he favours New Deal economical liberalism, feminism and Civil Rights. He even took more hard stance on school integration than OTL Eisenhower by personally going to Little Rock (his home city) and ordering people to let the students in. As long as you are not communist or socialist, you are fine in Uncle Doug's America.(...)
Onward soldiers! For The Union!"
- Douglas MacArthur; September 4, 1957
Elizabeth Eckford (October 4, 1941 - September 4, 1957)
African American girl who had tried to attend classes at Little Rock Central High School. Her death (by the hands of a white supremacist mob) sparked nation-wide attention and has led to the direct intervention of Douglas MacArthur.
Troops from the 327th Regiment, 101st Airborne escorts African American students to the Little Rock Central High School. Insertion of Federal forces into state schools damaged reputation of the Douglas MacArthur in the Southern states.
Anti-desegregation protest in Little Rock, Arkansas composed from the white parent blocking attempts of black entrance into Little Rock Central High School. Their staunch opposition created uneasy situation of a standoff between them and Federal troops (September 4, 1957).
Douglas "Uncle Doug" MacArthur (January 26, 1880 - April 5, 1964) personally traveled to Little Rock, Arkansas. He ordered Federal troops to force their way through the white supremacist protestors.
Daisy Bates (November 11, 1914 - September 19, 1961)
Prominent member of the American Civil Rights Movement from Arkansas. Her death (she was burnt alive) fueled radicalism of the Civil Rights Movement.
Chosen quotes of George Wallace from 1959-1963
"In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say desegregation now, desegregation tomorrow, desegregation forever." - Inauguration of Governor George Wallace,
"What's the point in murdering young girls going to school? What's the point in keeping those white-robbed thughs in the United States! Everyone who intervene against personal liberties is a communist sympathizer! Traitor! Communist! Socialist! Onward, good men and women of Alabama! We shall enforce personal freedom, liberties and" <shots> "equality." - Wallace speech on white supremacism shortly before shooting by Ku Klux Klan's member.
"I will never surrender! I will never forget! That infestation of a white communism will be erased from our beloved state during my gubernatorial term! We shall crush them like Joe McCarthy's Commission crushed their precedessors." - after recovering from wounds.
"Mr. Patterson, you were endorsed by Ku Klux Klan during your election campaign. I have only three questions to you - why, by the name of a God, Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit, are you supporting men who kills innoncent kids only because they want to take part in our American Dream? Why are you supporting organization that endorses illegal acitivities to destroy our Way of Life? What are you? A Communist or a Nazi?" - to John Malcom Patterson.
"I was killing fascist twenty years ago. I think I can still shoot one of them." - about Ku Klux Klan after third assasination attempt.
IOTL his 1958 campaign was fairly liberal one (by 1950s standards). He lost because he had criticized KKK and his main opponent used racist rhetoric. Wallace was a populist so he quickly turned to the pro-segregationist camp. This time this doesn't happen, he is nearly assasinated by KKK and ready to enact revenge on them.
Also, neither Stassen or LBJ speaks loudly in favour of civil rights. MacArthur's entrance into Little Rock is rather badly seen by the South and States' Right activists. LBJ doesn't want to lose Southern support so he have to tone down desegregationist rhetoric.
On the other hand, Republicans remain the Grand Old Party of Abraham Lincoln.
why did that hurt him? hes only pretty much expressing the opinion of most other Americans right now.
Well, there is a difference between cursing at random Soviet people and cursing on the first cosmonaut in space. People who think above the level of "those commies who want to take over world must be eradicated" would be disguisted by that.
"Crush the dissent, see opponents driven before you, hear the lamentations of their women." Soviet anti-dissent program
Viktor Abakumov (April 24, 1908 - November 5, 1979)
First Chairman of the Internal Directorate of the KGB.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (11 December 1918 - November 11, 1957)
His early works over life in Gulag were found by the Soviet authorities.
Executed by the firing squad for "espionage" and anti-people activity.
Andrei Sakharov's wife and daughter.
When Soviet authorities began to doubt in Sakharov's intentions, his wife was briefly arrested (but released after seven days) while his daughter was forced to join Komsomsol.
Klavdia Alekseyevna Vikhireva was beaten to death by the KGB Anti-Dissent Detachment when her husband published anti-nuclear article in samizdat. (September 16, 1962)
Science Fiction Movies in the Soviet Union (1947-1962)
Painting based on the "Vega Contact" Soviet sci-fi movie (1947) about the first contact between humans and a collective society of Vega stars.
Anastasia Vernov, the Chief Designer of the Interstellar Communication Research and Development Bureau portrayed on the right side.
Vega contact was one of the first science fiction movies created after the Great Patriotic War. Movie contained only subtle communist propaganda due to intended destination of it - it was created for the Western viewers as part of a post-war Era of Good Feelings between the Soviet Union and Henry Wallace's United States. It used revolutionary recording techniques and was the most expensive Soviet film of 1940s and 1950s. Generally, use of original plot, good acting and interesting events caused it to be very favourably rated by both Western and Eastern audiences.
Painting based on the "The Island City" (1949)
The Island City depicted construction of the greatest city in the world by the newly formed government of United Earth Soviet Socialist Republics. Based on the neutral territory, right in half of the Atlantic Ocean, the city was created on artificial island - a host of a planned orbital tower.
Irina Alekseyevna, the Chairperson of the Collective Construction Committee portrayed.
Painting based on the "Star Collective" (1959) movie.
Movie about Starship Vladimir Lenin - starship travelling in the Faster-than-Light speeds and exploring the unknown sectors of space.
Inventor of the Fusion Drive portrayed.
Luna City (1959)
Sci-fi movie about the first lunar landing performed by the Soyuz spacecraft.
Suppression of Saturn (1962)
Sci-fi movie about colonization of the Saturn rings.
Palace of Stars (1958) - Soviet sci-fi movie about colonization of the Solar System and terraformation of Mars.
Filmed by Pavel Klushantsev.
Road to the Stars (1959)
Russian science fiction movie about the first spacecraft with a Faster than Light drive and first contact with an advanced, humanoid alien species.
Filmed by Pavel Klushantsev.
Science Fiction Movies in the United States (1949-1966)
Leigh M. Hudec as a Captain Samantha Smith from the Star Trek: The Original Series (1966-1970)
Marilyn Monroe as a Queen Arachnia of the Spiders' People in the Adventures of Captain Proton (1952)
Anne Baxter (1923-1985) in the Princess of Mars (1949) as Dejah Thoris.
Yvonne Craig (1937-2015) in Flash Gordon (1960) as Dale Arden.
Leslie Nielsen and Anne Francis in the Forbidden Planet (1956)
Raquel Welch as the Eve in Trapped in Time (1962)
Fifth Element (1962) - science fiction film.
Classic of 1960s science fiction, precedessor to the Golden Era of Science Fiction in the United States of America.
250 years in the future, Earth faced the greatest crisis in the history. Mysterious alien races are fighting for influence and the fate of a Blue Planet.
Starring:
Sean Connery as James Smith
Daniela Bianchi as Majel
Christopher Lee as Jean Emmanuel Zorg
On 1914, aliens known as the Safekeepers arrive at an ancient Mesopotamian temple to collect four stones containing four classical elements to protect them from the Great War sides. Their human contacts, secret priests of an ancient Babylonian faith do not realize that these four stones, together with a sarcophagus containing a human body is the only weapon capable of stopping the great danger - A Great Evil that appears every 5,000 years to destroy life in the Universe. Safekeepers promise to return stones in time of Awakening.
Princess of Mars (1949) sci-fi movie.
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Adventures of Captain Proton (1952)
Kirk Douglas and Lauren Bacall in the Adventures of Captain Proton (1952) as Captain Proton and Ivonne, daughter of Chaotica.
BRIDE OF CHAOTICA!
Chaotica, King of the Cosmos and sworn enemy of the planet Earth plans his new move. His army of photonic aliens are gathering over SoI to unleash devastating photon cannon shells on tour beloved planet. Only Captain Proton with the help of Queen Arachnia can stop this madness and save humanity. Kingdom of the Spiders' People gathers their own forces to help humans in their war of survival. Only one thing can save us all - The Bride of Chaotica, Arachnia the Beautiful who goes on a suicidial spy mission on the Chaotica starship's defense system. Will they succeed? Will humanity survive?
Starring:
Marylin Monroe as Arachnia, Queen of the Spiders' People.
Christopher Lee as Chaotica, King of Cosmos
Kirk Douglas as Captain Proton
Lauren Bacall as Chaotica's daughter Ivonne
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Eurovision Song Contest [1955-1959]
Concours Eurovision de la Chanson (Ко́нкурс пе́сни «Еврови́дение») - is an annual song contest held since 1955 by the European Broadcasting Network - an organization of a non-commercial radio and TV broadcasters from the Paris Pact. Winner is chosen from the representatives of all member-states by the judges chosen in the popular vote by anyone who is interested in the show.
Winners of Eurovision Award since the start until beginning of the New Age:
1955: Nel blu dipinto di blu "Volare" by Domenico Modugno [Italy]; Paris, France
Copy of the original recording of the song performed during Contest. Copy was later damaged by the nuclear fallout.
1956: Bella Ciao by the Womens' Revolutionary Choir [Italy]; Rome, Italy
1957: La Complainte de la Butte by Cora Vaucaire [France]; Turin; Italy
1958: Księżyc nad Tahiti by Olgierd Buczek [Poland]; Paris, France
1959: Tintarella di Luna by Mina [Italy]; Warszawa, Poland
Winners of Eurovision Award since the start until beginning of the New Age:
1955: Nel blu dipinto di blu "Volare" by Domenico Modugno [Italy]; Paris, France
Copy of the original recording of the song performed during Contest. Copy was later damaged by the nuclear fallout.
1956: Bella Ciao by the Womens' Revolutionary Choir [Italy]; Rome, Italy
1957: La Complainte de la Butte by Cora Vaucaire [France]; Turin; Italy
1958: Księżyc nad Tahiti by Olgierd Buczek [Poland]; Paris, France
1959: Tintarella di Luna by Mina [Italy]; Warszawa, Poland
Eurovision Song Contest [1960-1964]
1960: Dalilah by the Choir of New Niniveh; [Assyrian]; Venice, Italy
1961: Dansevise by Grethe & Jørgen Ingmann; [Denmark]; New Niniveh; Assyrian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic
1962: Котёнок by Квартет Аккорд; [Soviet Union]; Copenhagen, Denmark
1963: ‘n Beetje by Teddy Scholten [Netherlands]; Moscow, Soviet Union
1964: Zorba by Mikis Theodorakis [Greece]; Amsterdam, Netherlands
1961: Dansevise by Grethe & Jørgen Ingmann; [Denmark]; New Niniveh; Assyrian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic
1962: Котёнок by Квартет Аккорд; [Soviet Union]; Copenhagen, Denmark
1963: ‘n Beetje by Teddy Scholten [Netherlands]; Moscow, Soviet Union
1964: Zorba by Mikis Theodorakis [Greece]; Amsterdam, Netherlands
Eurovision Song Contest [1965-1968]
1965: Poupee De Cire, Poupee De Son by France Gall [Luxemburg]; Athens, Greece
1966: Проснись и пой by Лариса Мондрус [Soviet Union]; Luxemburg, Luxemburg
1967: Tańczące Eurydyki by Anna German [Poland]; Moscow, Soviet Union
1968: Korowód by Marek Grechuta [Poland]; Warszawa, Poland
1966: Проснись и пой by Лариса Мондрус [Soviet Union]; Luxemburg, Luxemburg
1967: Tańczące Eurydyki by Anna German [Poland]; Moscow, Soviet Union
1968: Korowód by Marek Grechuta [Poland]; Warszawa, Poland