The King and savior
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I could not find the Russian equivalent of Edward, so it’s interesting to see
In OTL there were two Russian consorts known as Empress Alexandra.
The surnames of consorts, doesn’t have links to their fathers.
The last Enpress Alexandra Fedorovna, was the daughter of Louis IV, Grand Duke of Hesse and by Rhine
No I’ve left it blank to work around it. Thanks for taking time to read and post this thou
Alexandra is fine, that's a saint's name. It's the Alexandrina variant that I doubt.
Not that your example of Alix, she had to change to Alexandra to marry.
Vicky's dad's an Edward, and if you Google Eduardovich, you'll find several.
However, I don't think there's a Russian form of Ludwig/ Louis/ Ludovicus , which maybe why they had to 'invent' a patronymic for Alex.
Not that your example of Alix, she had to change to Alexandra to marry.
Vicky's dad's an Edward, and if you Google Eduardovich, you'll find several.
However, I don't think there's a Russian form of Ludwig/ Louis/ Ludovicus , which maybe why they had to 'invent' a patronymic for Alex.
I do not think Alexandrina Victoria will be able to keep her name as the obligatory conversion to Orthodox require in most of cases a change of name ... In any case Alexandra Alexeievna can work fine as if she can keep a name similar to her own the patronimics of the not-Orthodox born consorts is usually invented.
Tsarina Alexandra Eduardovna
Princess Alexandrina Victoria of Kent, was born at 4.15 a.m. on 24 May 1819 at Kensington Palace in London to Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn, the fourth son of the reigning King of the United Kingdom, George III and Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld, a widowed German princess with two children—Carl (1804–1856) and Feodora (1807–1872)—by her first marriage to the Prince of Leiningen. Princess Victoria's brother Leopold was Princess Charlotte's widower.
At birth, Victoria was fifth in the line of succession after her grandfather, George III, her uncles George, the Prince Regent (later George IV); Frederick, the Duke of York; William, the Duke of Clarence (later William IV); and then her father, Edward, the Duke of Kent.
The Prince Regent had no surviving children, and the Duke of York had no children; further, both were estranged from their wives, who were both past child-bearing age, so the two eldest brothers were unlikely to have any further children. The Duke of Clarence and the Duke of Kent married on the same day in 1818, with the death of Princess Charlotte Augusta Louisa of Clarence 27 March 1819, many didn't expect the elderly Prince to have a surviving child, however as her parents enjoyed spending their first Christmas as a family, they had not heard the news of the new birth in Hanover.
Her father died of pneumonia on 23 January 1820, before meeting his nephew and Princess Alexandrina would not meet her cousin until the funeral of her father 12 February 1820 and their grandfather's funeral on 16 February 1820 St George's Chapel, Windsor Castle.
Princess Alexandrina would later described her childhood as "rather melancholy". Her mother was extremely protective, and Alexandrina was raised largely isolated from other children under the so-called "Kensington System", an elaborate set of rules and protocols devised by the Duchess and her ambitious and domineering comptroller, Sir John Conroy, who was rumoured to be the Duchess's lover. The system prevented the princess from meeting people whom her mother and Conroy deemed undesirable (including most of her father's family), and was designed to render her weak and dependent upon them. The Duchess avoided the court because she was scandalised by the presence of King William's illegitimate children, and insisting that her daughter should avoid any appearance of sexual impropriety. Alexandrina shared a bedroom with her mother every night, studied with private tutors to a regular timetable, and spent her play-hours with her dolls and her King Charles Spaniel, Dash. Her lessons included French, German, Italian, and Latin, but she spoke only English at home.
In 1830, the Duchess of Kent and Conroy arranged visits to take place across the centre of England towards the Malvern Hills, stopping at towns and great country houses along the way. Similar journeys to other parts of England and Wales were taken in 1832, 1833, 1834 and 1835. To the King's annoyance, Alexandrina was enthusiastically welcomed in each of the stops. King William IV compared the journeys to royal progresses and was concerned that they portrayed Victoria as his son's rival rather than the third in line to the throne.
Princess Alexandrina disliked the trips; the constant round of public appearances made her tired and ill, and there was little time for her to rest. She objected on the grounds of the King's disapproval, but her mother dismissed his complaints as motivated by jealousy and forced Victoria to continue the tours.At Ramsgate in October 1835, Victoria contracted a severe fever, which Conroy initially dismissed as a childish pretence. While Victoria was ill, Conroy and the Duchess unsuccessfully badgered her to make Conroy her private secretary. As a teenager, Victoria resisted persistent attempts by her mother and Conroy to appoint him to her staff.
Leopold, who was Alexandrina's mother's brother and her deceased cousin, Prince Charlotte of Wales's widow, accessioned to the new throne in Europe as King of the Belgians, on 21 July 1831, at the age of 40
There were talks of him marrying his niece, however at only 12, it was not seen as an ideal choice waiting for at least four years, for her to come of age and the fact that she was not Catholic. Duchess Victoria, wanted her brother to arrange a suitable marriage for her daughter, rather than her paternal uncle dictating the suitor, he suggested Duchess Victoria's nephew, Hereditary Prince Ernest, of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld, the elder child of Ernest I, Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld, and his wife, Princess Louise of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg, however the match wasn't suited.
Following the engagement of her cousin, William, Prince of Wales, to Princess Sophia, King William IV, suggested a double marriage with Alexandrina, marrying Sophia's older brother, Crown Prince William of the Netherlands, second son of the Prince of Orange and third heir to the Netherlands throne, however William's mother Anna Pavlovna of Russia, wanted him to marry Sophie of Württemberg, daughter of King William I of Württemberg and her sister, Grand Duchess Catherine Pavlovna of Russia.
On her 18th Birthday, 24 May 1837, Princess Alexandrina of Kent, was named as Mistress of the Robes to Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen, queen consort of King William IV of the United Kingdom, taking over from Catherine Osborne, Duchess of Leeds, she would continue in this role for Princess Sophia.
She became heir presumptive, to her cousin between his succession on 20th June 1838 and the birth of his son two months later on 19 August, with her chances of becoming queen of the United Kingdom, Alexandrina knew she needed to find a husband, as a young bachelor, Tsesarevich Alexander Nikolaevich of Russia made a Grand Tour of Europe, similar to that of William V's tour, with one of the purposes of the tour being to select a suitable bride for himself. He stayed for three days with King William V and was introduced to his cousin, Princess Alexandrina of Kent, and the two got along well. With William's blessing, the two were firstly married in a Church of England ceremony at Windsor Castle, Berkshire, before traveling to Russia, where she in a large Orthordox wedding, Alexandrina was named "Alexandra Eduardovna" the first Princess from the British Isles, since Gytha Godwinson of Wessex, daughter of King Harold of England, who married Vladimir II Monomakh, Grand Prince of Kievan Rus' in 1107.
Together Tsar Alexander and Tsarina Alexandra Eduardovna, would have eleven children, together, with all surviving childhood.
1) Grand Duchess Wilhelmine Alexandrovna (21 November 1840-5 August 1901) m. William George Henry, Prince of Wales (19 August 1838–)
2) Tsar Nicholas II (9 November 1841-6 May 1910) m. Princess Alexandra of Denmark (1844–1925)
3) Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna (25 April 1843-14 December 1878)
4) Grand Duke Alexander Alexandrovich (6 August 1844-31 July 1900)
5) Grand Duchess Elisaveta Alexandrovna (25 May 1846-9 June 1923)
6) Grand Duchess Xenia Alexandrovna 18 March 1848-3 December 1939) m. 1867, George I of Greece (24 December 1845 – 18 March 1913)
7) Grand Duke Vladimir Alexandrovich (1 May 1850-16 January 1942)
8) Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich (7 April 1853-28 March 1884)
9) Grand Duchess Maryia Alexandrovna (14 April 1857-26 October 1944)
10) Grand Duke George Alexandrovich (11 May 1858 – 17 February 1905)
11) Grand Duke Paul Alexandrovich (3 October 1860 – 24 January 1919)
The assassination of her husband, assassination on 13 March 1881, Alexandra plunged into deep mourning and avoided public appearances, performing duties behind the scene and would be a strong influence in all her children's lives, being a key adviser in the reign of her eldest son, Nicholas II and his second son, Nicholas III, her death in 1901, was felt heavily across Europe.
At birth, Victoria was fifth in the line of succession after her grandfather, George III, her uncles George, the Prince Regent (later George IV); Frederick, the Duke of York; William, the Duke of Clarence (later William IV); and then her father, Edward, the Duke of Kent.
The Prince Regent had no surviving children, and the Duke of York had no children; further, both were estranged from their wives, who were both past child-bearing age, so the two eldest brothers were unlikely to have any further children. The Duke of Clarence and the Duke of Kent married on the same day in 1818, with the death of Princess Charlotte Augusta Louisa of Clarence 27 March 1819, many didn't expect the elderly Prince to have a surviving child, however as her parents enjoyed spending their first Christmas as a family, they had not heard the news of the new birth in Hanover.
Her father died of pneumonia on 23 January 1820, before meeting his nephew and Princess Alexandrina would not meet her cousin until the funeral of her father 12 February 1820 and their grandfather's funeral on 16 February 1820 St George's Chapel, Windsor Castle.
Princess Alexandrina would later described her childhood as "rather melancholy". Her mother was extremely protective, and Alexandrina was raised largely isolated from other children under the so-called "Kensington System", an elaborate set of rules and protocols devised by the Duchess and her ambitious and domineering comptroller, Sir John Conroy, who was rumoured to be the Duchess's lover. The system prevented the princess from meeting people whom her mother and Conroy deemed undesirable (including most of her father's family), and was designed to render her weak and dependent upon them. The Duchess avoided the court because she was scandalised by the presence of King William's illegitimate children, and insisting that her daughter should avoid any appearance of sexual impropriety. Alexandrina shared a bedroom with her mother every night, studied with private tutors to a regular timetable, and spent her play-hours with her dolls and her King Charles Spaniel, Dash. Her lessons included French, German, Italian, and Latin, but she spoke only English at home.
In 1830, the Duchess of Kent and Conroy arranged visits to take place across the centre of England towards the Malvern Hills, stopping at towns and great country houses along the way. Similar journeys to other parts of England and Wales were taken in 1832, 1833, 1834 and 1835. To the King's annoyance, Alexandrina was enthusiastically welcomed in each of the stops. King William IV compared the journeys to royal progresses and was concerned that they portrayed Victoria as his son's rival rather than the third in line to the throne.
Princess Alexandrina disliked the trips; the constant round of public appearances made her tired and ill, and there was little time for her to rest. She objected on the grounds of the King's disapproval, but her mother dismissed his complaints as motivated by jealousy and forced Victoria to continue the tours.At Ramsgate in October 1835, Victoria contracted a severe fever, which Conroy initially dismissed as a childish pretence. While Victoria was ill, Conroy and the Duchess unsuccessfully badgered her to make Conroy her private secretary. As a teenager, Victoria resisted persistent attempts by her mother and Conroy to appoint him to her staff.
Leopold, who was Alexandrina's mother's brother and her deceased cousin, Prince Charlotte of Wales's widow, accessioned to the new throne in Europe as King of the Belgians, on 21 July 1831, at the age of 40
There were talks of him marrying his niece, however at only 12, it was not seen as an ideal choice waiting for at least four years, for her to come of age and the fact that she was not Catholic. Duchess Victoria, wanted her brother to arrange a suitable marriage for her daughter, rather than her paternal uncle dictating the suitor, he suggested Duchess Victoria's nephew, Hereditary Prince Ernest, of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld, the elder child of Ernest I, Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld, and his wife, Princess Louise of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg, however the match wasn't suited.
Following the engagement of her cousin, William, Prince of Wales, to Princess Sophia, King William IV, suggested a double marriage with Alexandrina, marrying Sophia's older brother, Crown Prince William of the Netherlands, second son of the Prince of Orange and third heir to the Netherlands throne, however William's mother Anna Pavlovna of Russia, wanted him to marry Sophie of Württemberg, daughter of King William I of Württemberg and her sister, Grand Duchess Catherine Pavlovna of Russia.
On her 18th Birthday, 24 May 1837, Princess Alexandrina of Kent, was named as Mistress of the Robes to Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen, queen consort of King William IV of the United Kingdom, taking over from Catherine Osborne, Duchess of Leeds, she would continue in this role for Princess Sophia.
She became heir presumptive, to her cousin between his succession on 20th June 1838 and the birth of his son two months later on 19 August, with her chances of becoming queen of the United Kingdom, Alexandrina knew she needed to find a husband, as a young bachelor, Tsesarevich Alexander Nikolaevich of Russia made a Grand Tour of Europe, similar to that of William V's tour, with one of the purposes of the tour being to select a suitable bride for himself. He stayed for three days with King William V and was introduced to his cousin, Princess Alexandrina of Kent, and the two got along well. With William's blessing, the two were firstly married in a Church of England ceremony at Windsor Castle, Berkshire, before traveling to Russia, where she in a large Orthordox wedding, Alexandrina was named "Alexandra Eduardovna" the first Princess from the British Isles, since Gytha Godwinson of Wessex, daughter of King Harold of England, who married Vladimir II Monomakh, Grand Prince of Kievan Rus' in 1107.
Together Tsar Alexander and Tsarina Alexandra Eduardovna, would have eleven children, together, with all surviving childhood.
1) Grand Duchess Wilhelmine Alexandrovna (21 November 1840-5 August 1901) m. William George Henry, Prince of Wales (19 August 1838–)
2) Tsar Nicholas II (9 November 1841-6 May 1910) m. Princess Alexandra of Denmark (1844–1925)
1) Tsesarevich Alexander (8 January 1864-14 January 1892)
2) Tsar Nicholas III (3 June 1865-20 January 1936)
3) Grand Duchess Alexandrina Nikolaevna (20 February 1867-4 January 1931)
4) Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna (6 July 1868-3 December 1935)
5) Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaevna (26 November 1869-20 November 1938) became Queen Maria of Norway, m. 1896, Prince Carl of Denmark (King of Norway as Haakon VII from 1905)
6) Grand Duke Alexei (6 April 1871-7 April 1871)
2) Tsar Nicholas III (3 June 1865-20 January 1936)
3) Grand Duchess Alexandrina Nikolaevna (20 February 1867-4 January 1931)
4) Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna (6 July 1868-3 December 1935)
5) Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaevna (26 November 1869-20 November 1938) became Queen Maria of Norway, m. 1896, Prince Carl of Denmark (King of Norway as Haakon VII from 1905)
6) Grand Duke Alexei (6 April 1871-7 April 1871)
4) Grand Duke Alexander Alexandrovich (6 August 1844-31 July 1900)
5) Grand Duchess Elisaveta Alexandrovna (25 May 1846-9 June 1923)
6) Grand Duchess Xenia Alexandrovna 18 March 1848-3 December 1939) m. 1867, George I of Greece (24 December 1845 – 18 March 1913)
7) Grand Duke Vladimir Alexandrovich (1 May 1850-16 January 1942)
8) Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich (7 April 1853-28 March 1884)
9) Grand Duchess Maryia Alexandrovna (14 April 1857-26 October 1944)
10) Grand Duke George Alexandrovich (11 May 1858 – 17 February 1905)
11) Grand Duke Paul Alexandrovich (3 October 1860 – 24 January 1919)
The assassination of her husband, assassination on 13 March 1881, Alexandra plunged into deep mourning and avoided public appearances, performing duties behind the scene and would be a strong influence in all her children's lives, being a key adviser in the reign of her eldest son, Nicholas II and his second son, Nicholas III, her death in 1901, was felt heavily across Europe.
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Queen Consort and the Queen's Staff
In our time line, Queen Victoria, faced a political crisis when it came to her Ladies of the Bedchamber. In this time line, with the offices not being directly linked to the ruling monarch, they are not made political.
Queen Consorts
1830-1838: Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen
1838-1897: Sophie of the Netherlands
1897-1900: Vacant
Mistress of the Robes
1830-1837: Catherine Osborne, Duchess of Leeds
1837-1839: Princess Alexandrina of Kent
1839-1864: Mary Fox, Marchioness of Brighton [1]
1864-1866: Augusta Emma Russell, Duchess of Sussex [2]
1866-1870: Charlotte Fitzalan-Howard, Duchess of Norfolk
1870-1897: Louisa Hamilton, Duchess of Abercorn
Ladies of the Bedchamber
1830–1838: Emily Nugent, Marchioness of Westmeath
1830–1838: Arabella Bourke, Countess of Mayo
1830–1848: Marianne Wellesley, Countess of Mornington
1830–1834: Anna Loftus, Marchioness of Ely
1830–1838: Emma Brownlow, Countess Brownlow
1830–1838: Lady Harriet Clinton
1833–1836: Harriet Howe, Countess Howe
1836–1838: Harriet Baker-Holroyd, Countess of Sheffield
1837-1841: Maria Phipps, Marchioness of Normanby
1837-1841: Anna Russell, Duchess of Bedford
1838-1870: Louisa Hamilton, Duchess of Abercorn (chosen to replace the Duchess of Norfolk as Mistress of the Robes)
1840-1855 Cecilia Underwood, 1st Duchess of Inverness [3]
1840-1867: Lady Georgiana Elizabeth Russell
1840–1897: Lady Constance Stanley of Derby
1841-1851: Lady Caroline Anne Sanford
1841-1881: Elizabeth Wellesley, Duchess of Wellington
1854-1897: Lady Louisa Jane Hamilton (later Louisa Montagu Douglas Scott, Duchess of Buccleuch)
1867-1897: Princess Mary of Cumberland (later Mary, Duchess of York and Albany)
1870-1897: Emily Russell, Baroness Ampthill
List is incomplete - As of 15/12/2018
[1] The fourth child and second daughter of the then Prince William, Duke of Clarence, and his companion Dorothea Jordan, Mary was William V's half sister. In his succession, he created her housekeeper of Brighton Pavilion and elevated her husband, the illegitimate son of Henry Richard Vassall-Fox, 3rd Baron Holland and his companion Elizabeth Vassal, divorcee of Sir Godfrey Webster, 4th Baronet, whom Lord Holland would later marry, General Charles Richard Fox to Marquess of Brighton.
When Mary, died childless on 13 July 1864, her husband would keep the title until his death in 13 April 1873.
[2] The daughter of Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex (sixth son of King George III), later Duke of Sussex, by his marriage with the Lady Augusta Murray, second daughter of John Murray, 4th Earl of Dunmore, and his countess, Lady Charlotte Stewart.
Upon William V's succession, he legitimatized the children of Prince Augustus and Lady Augusta. Upon the death of their father, 21 April 1843, her brother, Augustus was elevated to the dukedom of Sussex, he would hold this title until his own death, childless, in 28 December 1848.
In 1840, Augusta married, widower and Whig member of parliament, John Russell, whom had served as Home Secretary in 1835-1839 and then Secretary of State for War and the Colonies, 1839-1841. As the third son of John Russell, later 6th Duke of Bedford, . The Russell family had been one of the principal Whig dynasties in England since the 17th century, and were among the richest handful of aristocratic landowning families in the country, but as a younger son of the 6th Duke of Bedford, he was not expected to inherit the family estates.
The pair would go on to have four children and when Augusta, was granted her brother's title in 1848, she did so, allowing John Russell to take the title too, elevating him to the house of Lords, where he would act as Leader of the House of Lords on four occasions, from 6 July 1846 to 21 February 1852, in 8 February 1855 to 21 February 1858, in 18 June 1859 to 26 June 1866, and finally in 9 December 1868 to 17 February 1874, he would also serve as Prime Minister during 1868-1874.
[3] Second wife of Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex
Queen Consorts
1830-1838: Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen
1838-1897: Sophie of the Netherlands
1897-1900: Vacant
Mistress of the Robes
1830-1837: Catherine Osborne, Duchess of Leeds
1837-1839: Princess Alexandrina of Kent
1839-1864: Mary Fox, Marchioness of Brighton [1]
1864-1866: Augusta Emma Russell, Duchess of Sussex [2]
1866-1870: Charlotte Fitzalan-Howard, Duchess of Norfolk
1870-1897: Louisa Hamilton, Duchess of Abercorn
Ladies of the Bedchamber
1830–1838: Emily Nugent, Marchioness of Westmeath
1830–1838: Arabella Bourke, Countess of Mayo
1830–1848: Marianne Wellesley, Countess of Mornington
1830–1834: Anna Loftus, Marchioness of Ely
1830–1838: Emma Brownlow, Countess Brownlow
1830–1838: Lady Harriet Clinton
1833–1836: Harriet Howe, Countess Howe
1836–1838: Harriet Baker-Holroyd, Countess of Sheffield
1837-1841: Maria Phipps, Marchioness of Normanby
1837-1841: Anna Russell, Duchess of Bedford
1838-1870: Louisa Hamilton, Duchess of Abercorn (chosen to replace the Duchess of Norfolk as Mistress of the Robes)
1840-1855 Cecilia Underwood, 1st Duchess of Inverness [3]
1840-1867: Lady Georgiana Elizabeth Russell
1840–1897: Lady Constance Stanley of Derby
1841-1851: Lady Caroline Anne Sanford
1841-1881: Elizabeth Wellesley, Duchess of Wellington
1854-1897: Lady Louisa Jane Hamilton (later Louisa Montagu Douglas Scott, Duchess of Buccleuch)
1867-1897: Princess Mary of Cumberland (later Mary, Duchess of York and Albany)
1870-1897: Emily Russell, Baroness Ampthill
List is incomplete - As of 15/12/2018
[1] The fourth child and second daughter of the then Prince William, Duke of Clarence, and his companion Dorothea Jordan, Mary was William V's half sister. In his succession, he created her housekeeper of Brighton Pavilion and elevated her husband, the illegitimate son of Henry Richard Vassall-Fox, 3rd Baron Holland and his companion Elizabeth Vassal, divorcee of Sir Godfrey Webster, 4th Baronet, whom Lord Holland would later marry, General Charles Richard Fox to Marquess of Brighton.
When Mary, died childless on 13 July 1864, her husband would keep the title until his death in 13 April 1873.
[2] The daughter of Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex (sixth son of King George III), later Duke of Sussex, by his marriage with the Lady Augusta Murray, second daughter of John Murray, 4th Earl of Dunmore, and his countess, Lady Charlotte Stewart.
Upon William V's succession, he legitimatized the children of Prince Augustus and Lady Augusta. Upon the death of their father, 21 April 1843, her brother, Augustus was elevated to the dukedom of Sussex, he would hold this title until his own death, childless, in 28 December 1848.
In 1840, Augusta married, widower and Whig member of parliament, John Russell, whom had served as Home Secretary in 1835-1839 and then Secretary of State for War and the Colonies, 1839-1841. As the third son of John Russell, later 6th Duke of Bedford, . The Russell family had been one of the principal Whig dynasties in England since the 17th century, and were among the richest handful of aristocratic landowning families in the country, but as a younger son of the 6th Duke of Bedford, he was not expected to inherit the family estates.
The pair would go on to have four children and when Augusta, was granted her brother's title in 1848, she did so, allowing John Russell to take the title too, elevating him to the house of Lords, where he would act as Leader of the House of Lords on four occasions, from 6 July 1846 to 21 February 1852, in 8 February 1855 to 21 February 1858, in 18 June 1859 to 26 June 1866, and finally in 9 December 1868 to 17 February 1874, he would also serve as Prime Minister during 1868-1874.
[3] Second wife of Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex