MaxGerke01
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So Ill try another one-who is the current British monarch and who is the heir ? Also who is the current scion of the Kennedy family ?
The Anglo/American - Nazi War - The on-going mystery
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Briefly: All for them someone who was not born in OTL. As British monarch is probably Margaret's (OTL Ccurren queen's sister) son and his son is probably heir.
As head of Kennedy clan is probably Joseph P. Kennedy Jr.'s son. Perhaps named as JPK III.
But speaking about Kennedys, what did happen to JFK and Ted Kennedy?
MaxGerke01
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Since Elizabeth survived as did Phillip (evidently) isnt it likely they could have had another child or 2 since they had 4 OTL ?
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Considering the age old often repeated claim that even if the Reich won the war their economy would collapse within a decade in AANW what was the Nazi economy like during the peace and how did it remain intact for so long?
Plenty of slave labour and looting. Even Chavez's Venezuela had a saner economy; there's a reason why Hjalmar Schacht just left.
MaxGerke01
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So FYI If you arent in the know like I wasnt by dumb luck I was able to find a list of post war events 1961-2019. https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...erican-nazi-war.140356/page-487#post-19400857
Broadly '54 is a bit early in a Nazi Victory scenario as they can still loot to their hearts content in the East. A few more years would have taken them apart as the slaves ran out and the inability to trade caused a resources crunch but the Nazi's pulled the trigger on round two before that happened.
MaxGerke01
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So whats the best case scenario for the survival of the Reich ? If they hadnt launched the St Patricks Day raids would the Anglo-Americans have still attacked them preemptively or left them to their own devices until they did something unacceptable -like develop nuclear weapons ? How long could the Reich last in this world at the very most ?
I think that CalBear has stated that the Reich could had survived until 1970's at best. Then it would had been out of slaves and its economy would had been collapsed. Not sure then what it would had looked like. I think that there might be either civil war or someone new nazi leader starts new war against either Wallies. And it might be that nazis would had found out existence of nukes.
In that scenario the Allies nuke first, that's inevitable. Especially as (unlike OTL with the USSR) their armies are fresh and also the Nazi's are alot more openly evil than Stalin was acting at that point.
One other issue is Hitler. No matter what the Parkinson's will kill him by the early 1960's even if he avoids a stroke and an awful lot of German support was for him personally and not the party.
Given the calibre of his likely successor's his death and the unpopularity of the "big wigs" in general could easily destabilise what is already a fundamentally flawed system.
JFK was a Senator. Bobby was a lawyer and eventual Governmor of New York. Teddy was a alcoholic who spent decades in Congress in a spectacularly safe Democratic seat with a fairly solid legislative record, especially in regards to "supporting" his District.
Best case for the Reich is similar to OTL's USSR. Eventually graft (National Socialism seems to have meant "steal anything not tied down") and gross incompetence/failure to accept that reality happens despite what ideology claims, would have led to a collapse. Unlike the USSR, I seriously doubt that it would be pretty much bloodless.
Surely collapse of Reich is not going to be peceful. Whole system and ideology made any reforms and moderate leaders impossible. Nazis were really good to deny reality and unable to change. I think that collapse of Reich would look like pretty similar as collapse of Soviet Union on TL Twilight of the Red Tsar.
Not to mention there’d probably be no Gang of Four like in The New Order to make said transition peaceful.
Probably. Of course everyone expected a Civil War when the USSR came apart. Still, all these years later, completely amazed that the worst that happened was the border war involving Armenia & Azerbaijan, the fairly brief Russian-Georgia conflict and the Russian backed separatist movement that came along in Ukraine There was real concern that the break-up could lead to massive fighting and include Special Weapons.
Donald Reaver
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Yep, grew up in the sixties, always expected the end of the Soviet Union was a nuclear war between the U.S. and the S.U. I can not remember of any s.f. story of the time that it ended on not a bang but a whimper. Living within a few miles of a first strike point, did not make for easy nights.
I wonder how the occult and other pagan beliefs developed in Nazi Germany after they defeated the USSR.
I'm sure the SS saw massive paganism being promoted inside. And, given the regime tended to become more and more extreme, there's boind to be someone who would make Hitler an object of cult inside the SS.
This is probably most what neopaganism could manage to be. Even nazi regime is not able to enforce the new faith to whole German population.