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Miss Teri

Miss Teri

Given the different Soviet history, I'm guessing it's not entirely the same. Maybe there's another farm, which has a similar revolution after Manor Farms, and where Snowball flees to after Napoleon's takeover. And they help Animal Farm during the conflict with Mr. Fredrick, and Napoleon is killed during that conflict, and another pig replaces him as the leader.
 

Ravenclaw

I made a chart of the rank insignia for the Workers' and Farmers' Revolutionary Army (and the Red Air Force), according to Jello's specs in A Red Dawn.

WFRARankInsignia.png
 

Time slip

bookmark95 said:
Animal Farm had a lot of allegory.
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I imagine there isn't much doubt that was Orwell's intent with Animal Farm. I don't think the same can really be said about Baum and The Wonderful Wizard of Oz.

The point I was trying to make was that the filmmakers of a Wizard of Oz movie in the 1930s ITTL would probably not be influenced an interpretation of the story that originated in the 1960s in OTL.
 

E. Burke

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I really love the collaborative nature of this TL, like the relationship between author and users is really organic and natural. It is really cool, and to some extent represents the future of creativity in the twenty first century.
 

bookmark95

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DanielXie said:
What's Harry Potter like in this TL if it exists?
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Probably the same. The issues of "blood purity", "half-breeds", and themes about great power are present OTL, and in the FBU, they would be far more relevant.

If it was written in the UASR, Hogwarts wouldn't be a boarding school. It would be more like one of those alternative schools that ITTL may become standard in Socialist America.
 

teg

bookmark95 said:
Probably the same. The issues of "blood purity", "half-breeds", and themes about great power are present OTL, and in the FBU, they would be far more relevant.

If it was written in the UASR, Hogwarts wouldn't be a boarding school. It would be more like one of those alternative schools that ITTL may become standard in Socialist America.
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I wonder if the series might also focus more the implied isolation of Magical Britain, or might even venture outside of the UK to deconstruct the idea that Britain is the last island of civilization in a sea of barbarism and blood traitors. Overall, I expect the series will be more like the Bartiameus Trilogy in tone.

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eliphas8

bookmark95 said:
Probably the same. The issues of "blood purity", "half-breeds", and themes about great power are present OTL, and in the FBU, they would be far more relevant.

If it was written in the UASR, Hogwarts wouldn't be a boarding school. It would be more like one of those alternative schools that ITTL may become standard in Socialist America.
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Why the assumption that boarding schools will be looked down on America? I could easily see a much more effective and better system of orphanages in America trend towards a semi-boarding school model with caretakers of the children being attached to the school as shift parents. This kind of model could also be applied to technical schools/specialized schools of various forms that might not necessarily you work with students living at home.
 
Aelita

Aelita

Ravenclaw said:
I can easily change them if you like, just give me an updated list. :)
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I had actually finally decided on a final rank system (after waffling back and forth several times). So you can consider this canon that I'm not going to change back.

I'll do a more complete write up later, but the jist of it is that there is a single official rank system used by both the Army and Navy, but certain alternatives can be used in lieu of the official rank; it's a phase in plan, and eventually they want the military on a single uniform rank system with no deviation.

For officers it goes as follows.

Official Rank (approved alternative nomenclature)

Ensign (Army:2nd Lieutenant)
Lieutenant
Chief-Lieutenant (Army:Captain)
Major
Lieutenant Commander (Army:Lt. Colonel)
Commander (Army:Colonel)
Brigadier (Navy:Commodore)
Major General (Navy: Rear Admiral)
Lieutenant General (Navy: Vice Admiral)
General (Navy:Admiral)
General of the Army/Fleet Admiral
Commander(s)-in-chief of the Armed Forces(equivalent to Marshal of the Soviet Union abbreviated Generalissimus)

In spite of the unification of rank, the two services still use different insignia (i.e., the ones from the ancient write-up that you did justice for). The biggest difference is no independent air force, it's part of the Army in the revised version.
 

Ravenclaw

Jello_Biafra said:
I had actually finally decided on a final rank system (after waffling back and forth several times). So you can consider this canon that I'm not going to change back.

I'll do a more complete write up later, but the jist of it is that there is a single official rank system used by both the Army and Navy, but certain alternatives can be used in lieu of the official rank; it's a phase in plan, and eventually they want the military on a single uniform rank system with no deviation.

For officers it goes as follows.

Official Rank (approved alternative nomenclature)

Ensign (Army:2nd Lieutenant)
Lieutenant
Chief-Lieutenant (Army:Captain)
Major
Lieutenant Commander (Army:Lt. Colonel)
Commander (Army:Colonel)
Brigadier (Navy:Commodore)
Major General (Navy: Rear Admiral)
Lieutenant General (Navy: Vice Admiral)
General (Navy:Admiral)
General of the Army/Fleet Admiral
Commander(s)-in-chief of the Armed Forces(equivalent to Marshal of the Soviet Union abbreviated Generalissimus)

In spite of the unification of rank, the two services still use different insignia (i.e., the ones from the ancient write-up that you did justice for). The biggest difference is no independent air force, it's part of the Army in the revised version.
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Just checking, the ranks for the army and air force are the same? And the Navy no longer has Captains?

And who are the current (post-Battle of Moscow) holders of the highest rank?
 
Aelita

Aelita

Ravenclaw said:
Just checking, the ranks for the army and air force are the same? And the Navy no longer has Captains?

And who are the current (post-Battle of Moscow) holders of the highest rank?
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Yes, Army Air Forces ranks and insignia are the same as Army Ground Forces.

Captain is no longer a rank in itself. It does remain a title that the commanding officer of a vessel holds, same as OTL. (IOTL, Captain is both a rank and a title; a Lieutenant in command of a vessel is still referred to as the captain).

I'm still working on a more exhaustive list of major generals/admirals, but here are a couple.

John J. Pershing (Courtesy rank, due to age and political factors he is essentially uninvolved by 1940).
Adna R. Chaffee, Jr. (Promoted 1 March 1941)
William Standley (Promoted 2 March 1941)

Some Generals of the Army/Fleet Admirals
George S. Patton (Promoted after the Battle of Leningrad)
David Eisenhower (Promoted after the Battle of Moscow)
Harry Haywood (Also Comintern Deputy Chief of Army Staff)
Chester Nimitz
 

MernStahl

E. Burke said:
I really love the collaborative nature of this TL, like the relationship between author and users is really organic and natural. It is really cool, and to some extent represents the future of creativity in the twenty first century.
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The red menace has spread to our creative methods! :eek:

Reminds me of Valve: "Nobody here is your boss but Gabe is the least not your boss"
 

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Mr.E said:
Here, the woes of Dorothy's friends are caused by authority figures abusing them, and damaging them.
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In this case, it makes sense that this version of the film would make more use of the Tin Man's backstory from the book than OTL's film did. Doing so would help further emphasize the cruel way in which The Wicked Witch of the East ruled Munchkin Country by showing the Tin Man's plight as a direct result of her cruelty.
 
The_Red_Star_Rising

The_Red_Star_Rising

Mr.E said:
I'm going to go meta, and discuss the fates of famous AH books
Man in the High Castle by Phillip K. Dick: Jello mentioned earlier that the main POD is the revolution never happened, and America becoming an "economically subservient state" to a fascist Britain and Germany. So, that means that America must be under a fascist regime, presumably modeled by Dick on Cuba. However, there must be a significant degree of Nazi and Japanese influence within the country, and the Nazi-Japanese Cold War probably is still a plot point, only with Britain and America as significant allies of Germany, which allows characters like Mr. Tagomi to still stick around . The Grasshooper Lies Heavy could tell of an America which also averted the revolution, but defeated Germany, and later became engaged in a Cold War with the revived British Empire, which it eventually defeats. Fascist America is offended by the book, (especially since it could damage relations with Britain and Germany) and that's what leads it to try to assassinate the author. It would feature people more struggling under domestic tyranny than foreign occupation.

TL-191 by Harry Turtledove: No significant changes during the first two series. However, during the "Center Can't Hold" arc, there could be a 1917 revolution in the United States, which places Eugene Debs in charge, to fit with the Russia analogy. Many of the establishment figures flee to the CSA in the aftermath. It would also become home to many of the fleeing Reds after the Russian Civil War. Meanwhile, the CSA becomes even more fascist after the attempted Black communist uprising. Many of them might flee to the newly created Socialist nation across the Mason-Dixon, and Featherstone probably begins to send a few African Americans to the Socialist USA, before he begins his genocide. After that, the story will probably be the same from that point onward.

Worldwar by Harry Turtledove: The Race invades shortly after the creation of the Franco British Union, and during Operation Tectonic. Their invasion forces the United Nations and the Axis to team up to save humanity. This stops the war in the USSR briefly, where the opposing forces have to team up to keep the Race out of Southern Russia. Meanwhile, an alliance of Integralist Brazil, and the Latin Alliance keep most of Central and South America out of the Race's hands. However, most of Africa and Asia (excluding Japanese ruled territories) still fall to them. Colonization probably has the UASR and the USSR supporting various independence movements across the globe against both the Race and the Nazis, who are growing increasingly close to the Franco-British Union.

Draka by SM Stirling- No noticeable changes, except the Draka are much more fascist in nature.

The Nomad of the Time Stream series by Michael Moorcock- Once again, not very different. Probably more popular in the UASR than in the FBU.

Lest Darkness Falls by L. Sprague de Camp- Published during the tumultuous First Cultural Revolution, it follows the adventures of Martin Padway, an American archeologist sent back to Italy shortly after the fall of the Roman Empire. He helps stabilize the Visagoth kingdoms in Italy, and later begins to introduce Capitalism to them, in the hopes that the cycle of history will eventually allow socialism to take over.

Any series or book I missed
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There is essentially no way for the Comintern or the Integralists to stop the Race from kicking the shit out of them in South America. They don't have the industrial capacity to gum up the race's advance like the great powers did so they're going to fall within the first year of invasion like usual. Humanity already does extremely implausibly well against 90s military technology so making the race somehow do even worse is just SoD breaking.
 
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