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  1. The_Red_Star_Rising Homestuck Trash

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    Stuff that arose from my discussions with Jello on gmail.

    Transformers: Went with the current aligned continuity approach much earlier, Optimus Prime is notably black and red this time instead of red and blue. Cybertronian society was in a state of gradual decay even as it expanded across the galaxies and continuously expanded its empire. Recognizing that Cybertronian society was full of injustice and unfairness in favour of an established elite; two forces arise. At one end is the fascist reaction of Megatron and the Decepticons, the other the socialist revolution of Optimus Prime and the Autobots.

    The cybertronian establishment, represented by Nova Prime; attempts to soothe the pains of Cybertronian society, but Megatron tries launching his coup by force when Optimus Prime's faction seems set to win an electoral victory in the cybetronian senate. What follows is millions of years of brutal civil war between the heroic Autobots, who frequently find themselves having to defend third parties from the brutal regime of Megatron. Still very much black and white, but the first cartoons are much less patronizing towards child audiences and take a more mature approach to warfare. Megatron is explicitly robot Hitler with a vehement hatred of organic life.

    Homestuck: Almost entirely unchanged, it's just really apolitical to begin with and pretty damn weird already.

    Metroid: A lot of the details (Samus is an orphan raised by the Chozo to inherit their dying culture and does a lot of work for the Federation) remain the same but others change. She's more explicitly a mercenary, serving the Federation as a means to pursue her vendetta against the Space Pirate Confederacy for the razing of her homeworld, but over time she increasingly notices that the Bourgeois society of the Galactic Federation is deeply corrupt. The rot of corruption is spreading from the Federation's intelligence agencies, which are planning a coup either by election of backed factions in the Parliament or by force if they must; to "safeguard" the Federation from its own electorate.

    Following the collapse of the Space Pirates, Samus decides to investigate the corruption further, even contacting some old enemies before fighting against the Federation's corruption, which brands her a terrorist once it seizes power in the Galactic Federation. She ends up leading a revolution against the Federation that sees it consigned to the dustbin of history alongside its former Space Pirate enemy, finally completing the vision the Chozo had for a model society to be there once they had left the material universe behind.

    Warhammer Fantasy: Largely unchanged save for it being a much bigger budget thing. Nagash succeeds at becoming an evil god of order though and we get to see more of the other human factions like Estalia, Araby, the Amazons, Tilea, the Border Princes, Kislev, Cathay, Ind, and Nippon.

    Warhammer 40,000: Much bigger budget, the primary rival of Star Wars from the AFS' sphere of things, with its own big budget movies. A bit less bleak than OTL with the Imperium being portrayed in a more positive and less dysfunctional light (though still carrying heavy "medieval state in space" vibes). The Eldar have a lot of similarities to the UASR in how they're portrayed, and some more factions are present in 40k than there are OTL, since GeeDubs has more resources to keep up a release schedule for them all.

    Halo: Made in Cuba and openly pro-fascist rather than OTL's crypto-fascism. Unironically buys into myths of Fascist efficiency and whereas 40k is tongue in cheek about its fascism, Halo is entirely sincere about it. The Covenant are basically scary foreigners, the Flood are scary communists, the created are scary "cradle to grave" folks, the Forerunners are scary hedonists who fell due to their hedonism and arrogance, and the Insurrectionists are scary revolutionaries. The communists all apparently vanished off screen and the UNSC is basically western Europe (in space).
     
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    Rewriting this from earlier, with more detail:

    A primary source of entertainment in the UASR were the animated shorts preceding a feature film. The government saw the potential of these shorts for wartime propaganda, and approached them about create cartoons supporting the sale of war bonds or recruitment. Of course, the main partner in this endeavor was Walt Disney. Disney had a string of successful animated features following Snow White. At the time he was contracted, he was working on a film which would placed animated shorts to the music of classical and romantic compositions, tentatively called Fantasia, which Walt considered his magnum opus, and the first in a series. However, despite most of the film being already finished, he decided to hold off on finishing and releasing it until after the war was over, to focus on helping the war effort. (Fantasia was eventually released in 1947). Disney's biggest star at the time was Donald Duck, who surmounted even Morty Mouse in popularity. Hence, Donald was chosen as the star of a series about recruitment. Here, Donald is drafted, and goes through the training any typical Red Army soldier would go through. Eventually, he is allowed on a mission to bomb a German air base. Of course, there is a lot of slapstick and comedy in between. Donald learns to overcome his strong temper, and work with others. Another notable Donald cartoon was "Der Fuehrer's Face". It features Donald Duck as a typical German civilian, who is constantly overworked, abused at work, forced to eat poorly stored rations, and has to constant "Heil" Hitler. Eventually, Donald suffers a breakdown. This turns out to be a dream Donald has while working on American artillery. His offscreen administrator says he's overworked, and needs a break. Donald ends the short, saying he is glad to be "an American Worker." All to the tune of a very catchy song. A more serious short about life in Nazi Germany was "Education for Death", a look into the life of a young boy in Nazi Germany. He is told a version of the Sleeping Beauty myth, where the witch is socialism, the beauty is Germany, and the Knight is Hitler. When he shows sympathy for a rabbit being hunted by a fox, he is scolded. As he grows, he is stripped of all compassion and empathy by his superior, reduced to a pawn, who kills Jews and Communists, burns books, in one particularly terrifying scene, burning a synagogue to the ground, and fights for the Fuehrer. This short won an Academy Award for Best Short.

    One notable wartime project from Disney was commissioned by Foreign Affairs in early 1939 to rally the new socialist states of Latin America for the Great Crusade. An apocryphal story involves John Reed himself calling Disney in to discuss making an animated feature to appeal to South America, to help strengthen ties with them, celebrate the spirit of socialist partnership, and help combat the power of Integralist Brazil in the region, as Disney characters like Morty and Donald, were very popular in socialist Central and South America. Disney and a small group of his filmmakers were flown to Ecuador, Peru, Chile, Argentina, Columbia, Panama, and Mexico, to film and study the cities, and local cultures as inspiration. The result of this was 1940's Saludos Camaradas, an anthology film, featuring various cartoons set in Latin America, including Donald visiting Lake Titicaca, Goofy learning the ways of the Argentinian goucho, and new characters, like Jose Carioca the parrot,Panchito Pistoles (a chicken), and Pedro the Plane. The live action sequences demonstrated a thoroughly modern Latin America, which was showing signs of development thanks to American help and socialist policies, but still holding their native traditions. The image of modern cities like Mexico City and Santiago surprised American audiences, who associated these features with Europe or the Soviet Union.

    Despite their commitment to socialism, Disney's cartoons were still relatively conservative, stemming from Disney's own social conservative views. They were large safe and family friendly, for all audiences. Merrie Melodies Animation had less reservations. Borne from the burgeoning Warner Bros. Animation Studio, which was collectivized during the revolution, Merrie Melodies, and its sister series Looney Tunes, held a more vaudeville sensibility, but also were far more adult, involving excessive amounts of violence, sometimes even blood and death, and also occasional nudity to appeal to an older adult audience. Their stars, Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck, were never formally drafted. However, they would prove formidable foes for the fascists. Bugs Bunny would constantly outsmart any German he may encounter. In one memorable ending, Hitler, Goebbels, and Goring open a package, and are scared away by Bugs, disguised as Molotov. In an other, he places a stick of dynamite up Henry Ford's crotch. Daffy would also get his share of attacks on Nazi command. In "Bombs Away," Daffy, in the guise of a soldier, is sent to a Nazi factory, where he finds a variety of ways to kill German soldiers, in Daffy's signature crazed manner. The short ends with him being grabbed by a German Duck nurse, who takes off his clothes.

    There was also the "Private Snafu" shorts, a collaboration between the major animation studios, including Disney, Merrie Melodies, and the Fleischer Brothers, specifically made for troops on the front. They depict the activities of an average sailor, the titular Private, and his incompetency, which is used to show the incorrect ways of doing an activity. He is shown the errors of his ways afterwards. They were notable for their politically incorrect and racy tone. The shorts were directed by Merry Melodies regular Chuck Jones, and written by a political cartoonist, who profile was growing at the time, named Theodor "Ted" Geisel.

    Other shorts from more minor studios included the creations of The Fleischer Brothers, like Popeye the Sailor, who now had a tattoo of the UASR coat of arms, and fought with the Red Navy against German U-Boats or Japanese ships. Fleischer also produced short films about the popular comic hero, Superman, who was fighting the war indirectly in his native medium. One cartoon series, Jasper and Jinx [1], only ever had one war related short. It featured them fighting a mock war inside their basement, complete with Jasper as a dictator, overthrown when Jinx assembles a group of mice to launch a mock proletariat revolution.


    [1] The original names of Tom and Jerry

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    So, any comments, thoughts, opinions?
     
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    Yes. I really want to watch these.
     
  4. E. Burke Monster God of Joisey Banned

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    Was Disney around, Jello wrote a review of Snow White but it was implied that Disney (a noted anti Semite) jumped ship for Cuba. His company was collectivized.
     
  5. The_Red_Star_Rising Homestuck Trash

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    I believe Walt is still around, though his company is now the Hyperion Collective.
     
  6. Mr.E The Man that Time Forgot

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    Someone (I think Jello, don't quote me though) said Disney was radicalized during his stint as a WWI ambulance driver (since the war lasted longer), and his politics (at least economically) are more inclined towards socialism. I'd add that maybe the way he was screwed out of Oswald the Lucky Rabbit by Universal might also increase his anti-capitalist stance.

    He was also, contrary to popular belief, not anti-Semitic. He had a working relationship with a number of Jewish people, including the Sherman Brothers. He was associated with the "Motion Picture Alliance of America", which was anti-Semitic, but according to those who worked with him, he wasn't really anti-semitic.
     
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    From Thread: Thoughts on Revolutionary History Comics?:


    *The German Kobold replaced goblin in America
     
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    From Thread: Thoughts on Revolutionary History Comics?:

    [QUOTE="GreenAvenger]
    I've read the particular comic you just described: Spider-Man: Noir. I enjoyed it, particularly how they were able to seemlessly change Spidey's origin to fit in a 30's setting, and how it is set before the Revolution. This allows us to see the crimes perpetrated by the Second Republic, and why such a social revolution was necessary. The growing alliance between far-right reactionaries and the mob seem anachronistic, given that only happened after the revolution. However, the Sinclairian terror the workers had to go through was disturbing to read. May and Ben's characterization as activists seems also appropriate (given that both were decorated war heroes in the original). The change in Peter's attitude, from his aloofness to becoming a socialist hero using his, also stayed true to Spidey's character (realizing that he must do his civic duty and stop crime, using his powers) Although, Jonah seems off as a hot tempered bourgeois businessman, rather than a hot tempered revolutionary newspaper editor. It's a shame, because we don't get a thirties version of one of Jonah's rants. The way that the Kobold's mob is based around circus imagery, and the fact that he was a circus freak,was a nice touch.
    I haven't read the sequel though. Is it any good? [/QUOTE]

    [QUOTE="The Third Man] It's... okay. It continues the interesting setting by having it be set during the early Civil War itself. (Spoilers, I guess) Here, Spider-Man is helping a local revolutionary cell in New York, by sneaking behind enemy lines, and doing acts of sabotage. He is sent on one mission to investigate mob lord "Crime Master", who is working with the junta, by luring revolutionaries into a false sense of security, and later capturing them. He first investigates Felicia Hardy, the Crime Master's girlfriend, and they grow close. However, the Crime Master learns at the end, and scars her. His investigation takes him to Rikers Island, where it is revealed that German scientist Otto Octavius and American eugenicist Curt Connors are experimenting on the captured revolutionaries brought to them by the Crime Master. Among them are Urich's old colleague Robbie Robertson. After a fight between Spider-Man, Octavius and the Crime Master, he saves everyone, (although not before Robbie was lobotimized by Connors), and they destroy the base together, killing Octavius and the Crime Master. It tries to have more angst for Peter at the end for not saving Robbie, but it still has a somewhat optimistic ending given that we know the Civil War will end in the Red victory, which does not match the normal tone of noir story. It's plot is also a bit complicated. I gave you the basics, it's actually more complicated. It is an adequate sequel I suppose.
    Did you read the sequel, FB Legionaire? (If not sorry for spoiling it :eek:) [/QUOTE]
     
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    A sneak preview at a new AHer me and Jello worked on.

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    Other hobbies: Medieval re-enactment, Miniature wargaming, Paradox Interactive Games, World war two reenactment, Historical European Martial Arts
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    Dislikes: Communism, Americans, Soviets, the Chinese, Republicanism, Liberalism, The Cosmic Light*, Worlds Aflame*
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    AH works on the board: Contributor to Tanks a lot! Writes Kaiserreich AARs and fanfics.

    *Rival wargames from the Soviet Union

    Also these two blokes

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    Favorite quote: "You will not be dragging any more Brazilians to die for your integralism. This war is over, and so is your regime. Begone with you!" - Emperor Pedro-Henrique.
    Demeanor: Friendly and jokey.
    AH works on the board: "The great south American war" - The war of the triple alliance becomes a pan-South American war that sees the continent devastated in the aftermath; a decidedly dystopian timeline as a whole continent tears itself apart.

    "Brazil, from sea to shining sea" - The Portuguese manage to beat the Spanish to tearing down the Incan empire and incorporate Peru into their colony of Brazil, resulting in a brazil with both a pacific and an Atlantic coastline that assumes a more dominant position on the continent and an earlier rise to superpowerdom; rivaling America.

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    "A Federal Empire" the Imperial Federation gets off the ground in the Victorian era, resulting in a more liberal British empire more capable of flexing all of its Imperial muscle.
     
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    How would Touhou Project be ITTL?Also hoped that Soviet sci-fi like Strugatsky would be more successful,Noon Universe and Stalker was awesome.

    Also how would historical reenactment be in the Comintern sphere?Is it okay to reenact Wehrmacht or the Confederates?

    Will airsoft be a thing?

    Sorry for lots of questions
     
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    One of the things that's rather confused me is the fact that there's a game development collective called 'Nintendo' in the Reds! 'verse.

    Obviously the company predates the POD but how are we still ending up with franchises such as Metroid even though Kyoto ends up an irradiated crater ITTL? :confused:
     
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    Yeah, that was an error on my part (since I was the first one to mention it). I forgot that Nintendo was headquartered in Kyoto (though, Jello did mention she was considering changing the location of the atomic bomb). Although, I would hate to eliminate Nintendo from this world, so let's just assume that they moved before the blast.

    Edit: And Nintendo is still headquartered there.
     
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    Because I will fight anyone who tries to butterfly Samus out of a 20th-21st century timeline to the death. :p

    Also, operation Damocles isn't quite the nightmare scenario of Downfall. It's mostly the hardliners who still keep fighting on (rather like how many Japanese soldiers stopped fighting the soviets when the cease fire order came but others kept fighting futilely), and there is some question as to whether or not to nuke Kyoto. Hopefully not since it was a militarily dubious target and would have only made the Japanese resist the landings harder than if they used them on more militarily useful targets.
     
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    Speaking of Kyoto, what's Gundam like pop culture wise in this Timeline? Apparently Jello has plans for the UC era, but I wonder what it would be. Is it gonna be as bleak as OTL or would things actually look up for the UC timeline? Apparently in an old post at fools-gold.org archive that brings up Gundam Zeon apologia is still going on, and the Federation is a Socialist government over an illiberal and corrupt colonial power, through that might have changed, which also raises questions about Japan and if it still has War Crimes Denial and how Zeon apologia could exist in a vocal form in this timeline(IIRC one of the reason it exists is that nothing changes for the better, with General Revil dying, anyone who could have stopped Jamitov dying, between 0079-0083, and AEUG and the Londo Bell both failing to affect any meaningful change on the Federation after the fall of the Titans)
     
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    Japan is occupied by the Soviets and Americans and a new Socialist Republic is built atop the Empire's corpse. They're not going to go into apologia anymore than East Germany did for the Nazis.
     
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    Fallout:San Angeles

    Fallout: San Angeles is an American post-apocalyptic action role playing video game, a spin-off of the popular "Fallout" franchise. It was developed by Obsidian Productions, and released on October 19, 2010. It is set in a post-apocalyptic retro-futuristic world, 204 years after a major nuclear conflict between the UASR and GIC, and revolves around a war centering on the crucial area of San Angeles, a megacity consisting of what was San Francisco, San Jose, Santa Barbara, Los Angeles, and San Diego. The player is a Courier for the San Angeles Express, who is shot by a mysterious man near Fresno, while trying to deliver a package to San Angeles. After he/she is found and revived, he/she must navigate the massive city, and find the secrets to the package.

    The factions vying for complete control in the game include:

    The New California Socialist Republic: The ruling party in California, trying to re-assert control over the San Angeles. Adopting the old government structure of the former Union of American Socialist Republics, it has grown gradually authoritarian and corrupt over the years, repressing all opposition in their sphere of influence. Holds the former San Francisco and Monterey areas at the beginning of the game.

    The Neo-Black Army: Inspired by the Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine, formed by various farmer communes in South Eastern California. Advocates complete and total civil freedoms for all people. However, have a poor enforcement record. Currently holds central San Angeles (formerly Santa Barbara).

    House: Former animator and major film producer, froze himself cryogenically during the Great War, and later, took over part of San Angeles with an army of theme park robots. Determined to save all humanity by taking over the entire city. Holds the former Los Angeles and San Diego areas.

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    Just so you know, Robert House in this version is more based off Disney, because Howard Hughes is obviously not a major figure here.
     
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    I want to play this game. Damn you reality! Why can't you be as good as this?
     
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    How would the Oz series be perceived in the UASR? Would it be considered a relic of the ulra-capitalist Gilded age, or would it still be a classic children's book.
     
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    V for Vendetta

    Would we have a V for Vendetta series set in the FBU? or V for Vendetta by a British/French writing/artist team set in a police state UASR?
     
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    I personally think that it would be set in the FBU, given that Alan Moore is both living there, and because I think that his work would largely be centred on critiquing FBU society and politics from a Communist pro-Comintern perspective.

    The general idea I have for the story is that relations between the USAR and USSR break down catastrophically, and as a result a nuclear war breaks out between the various members of the Comintern. After the dust settles the FBU is left the undisputed superpower of an apocalyptic world, and ends up descending into fascism and hyper-imperialism, under the pretext of maintaining order during the ensuing ecological catastrophe, whilst blaming Communism for the devastation of the world.

    The political aims of the story would be to critique the inherent authoritarianism and institutional racism within the FBU, and extrapolate it to it ultimate logical conclusion, as well as serving as a counterpoint to those who would justify, or at least explain away, the existing authoritarian elements of the FBU as necessary to combat the threat of Communism, arguing that without a strong socialist/communist movement there would be nothing to prevent the FBU from descending into outright fascism and the worst excesses of imperialism.
     
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