Red Spies in the White House: An Alternate Cold War

The former Emperor was executed for crimes against humanity in 1947, his death became a rallying point for the Japanese far-right. Harry Dexter White had done away with the world’s oldest monarchy.
Oh Neptune... Here we go. S*** just went from bad to worse here. Now expect all of Japan to rise up in revolt. America will have to deal with a situation that makes Vietnam look like a walk in the f****** park. So much more blood will be spilled to pacify Japan now.

I'm no fan of the Japanese, but executing the Emperor was a big mistake. This'll haunt America for years.
 
Oh Neptune... Here we go. S*** just went from bad to worse here. Now expect all of Japan to rise up in revolt. America will have to deal with a situation that makes Vietnam look like a walk in the f****** park. So much more blood will be spilled to pacify Japan now.

I'm no fan of the Japanese, but executing the Emperor was a big mistake. This'll haunt America for years.
Don't worry, two things can happen:

A) The United States blames White for that and washes its hands of the matter forever.

B) The United States decides to "complete the job" by "pacifying" Japan with many weapons and war crimes.

The first is sure to happen, the second will depend on many factors.
 
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........ You have honestly destroyed all your credibility if you're seriously comparing 1930-1945 Japan to the US of the same era. The US didn't rape cities into submission like Japan did at Nanking or institutionally dedicate itself to suicide charges and crashes. The US in general did think of itself as better that it really was, but it objectively WAS better to its people than any other notable power of the era. The US had also not expanded its borders since the Spanish American war, nearly 50 years ago by the time this TL starts while Japan was fighting wars of conquest and stamping down on their colonies, or prepping to do more of such, near nonstop since 1930.
I disagree with " The US had also not expanded its borders since the Spanish American war"

At *minimum*, between the Spanish American War and 1945, it gained the US Virgin Islands by purchase from Denmark in 1917, it gained American Samoa in the Tripartite Convention of 1899, and between the start of the TL and the current point in the TL, depending on how you consider the Trust Territories of the Pacific, the Northern Marianas Islands. (You could probably also include certain parts of the waterbed of the Rio Grande in the Treaty of 1944 in regards to the Rio Grand, but I'm not sure whether the US gained more than it lost)
 
CARDIFF, WALES: 1953

“Rule Britannia! Rule Britannia!” cried the crowd as the demagogue climbed to the stage.

The demagogue stared down at the crowd from the podium. Thousands had gathered to attend his rally. Most of them were Cardiff locals, but he knew that many of the attendees had traveled from towns across Wales, and some had even traveled from England. Given that rationing of petrol (along with most other goods) was still extremely strict, it was a testament to his own popularity that so many travelers had come to see him personally in Cardiff. Many had likely traveled by public transport, or by horse or foot. Although he was based in Wales, the strength of his platform had attracted a following across all of Britain. He was making friends in London- supporters of his movement were already well organized there and were partaking in street demonstrations. The demagogue, while raised in Wales, was not ethnically Welsh and had little feel for specifically Welsh issues. No, he had national ambitions- and he felt his message, in these times, would appeal to the peoples of many other nations in the world.

“In Fairy stories,” the demagogue began, “in the folklore of old Europe, there were creatures that were wholly malevolent- monsters and boogeymen who liked to snatch up and gobble up little children, or unwary visitors to dark forests. Witches and giants and gremlins, and goblins and bloodgobblers and whangdoodles. The grownups in these stories think themselves so clever and sophisticated they ignore the monsters at their front door. They think themselves so civilized they have no need for primal fears. Such arrogance always ends, of course, with the monsters eating them, or their families, or wrecking some form of havoc. But the children, free of silly grownup ideas, could see and identify the evil. There is wisdom in their simplicity and clear-eyed vision.

But in those stories, there was usually a way to defeat the evil. Sometimes, a great hero or knight or warrior would be summoned to slay a dreadful beast. I always preferred the ones where the ghouls and monsters were defeated by ordinary people. And the way they accomplished this was by speaking the name of the evil. Recall the girl who promised her firstborn child to that short, funny, little man in exchange for weaving straw into gold. When she learned the name of that goblin- Rumpelstiltskin- she spoke his name- and Rumpelstiltskin, that old coward, was forced to flee and the girl kept her child.

We would like if goblins and monsters were consigned to the past, to the middle ages, to storybooks for children. But alas, in this age the monsters and goblins are all too real. The Communists, the Soviets- they’re the big dragon from lands faraway- they’re too obvious. There is another enemy, a good friend of the dragon, a goblin who’s a little more clever, a little less obvious. They are smaller, so they’re better at hiding, at disguising themselves. They garb themselves in costumes, these goblins, and they like to prey on children. But like Rumpelstiltskin, if you just name the evil, speak the name of these creatures, they will recoil from the light shed upon them and retreat back into darkness. For these goblins love the shadow and fear the light of truth.

So, let us speak the name of the evil, so that these goblins will flee in terror. The socialists, the trade unionists, the liberals, they’re weak and scared- they don’t want to speak the name of the evil. But I will. What is the name of this goblin who menaces modern Britain?” cried Roald Dahl, raising his voice louder and louder. “It is the Jew!” The crowd roared with approval. “The Jews, the real-life goblins, control both the banks and the Communist Party. It is the Jew who has brought about the ruin of Britain, brought our civilization to the brink of anarchy and starvation. The Jew who has infiltrated our government and society to bring us down from within! They are wholly slimy and disreputable, the lowest scum of the Earth! There is something inherently repulsive in their character, that makes a person naturally shudder. Even a stinker like Hitler didn’t pick on them for no reason.***

There has long been good reason to suspect the Jew, but in recent years their true nature has been revealed to the whole world. Recall the unholy trinity, the three Jews who seized control of America and left Britain bare and defenseless. These Elders of Zion, leaders of the Jewish conspiracy for world domination, were of the same cabal which controlled the Soviet Union- and naturally they set about undermining the Anglo- I mean white countries, descendants of the Nordic, and Celtic and Roman and Germanic peoples. They manipulated the stock markets, the big companies, the trade unions and the governments to aid the cause of global communist- that is Jewish- domination. Through trickery, deceit, and murder they even placed one of their own in the Presidency of the United States- Harry Weissnovicz, the accursed, the most vile and treacherous bastard who ever lived. The posh professors in London, they pretend to be clever, they’d ask ‘Oh Roald, how can the Jews control the banks and the Communists at the same time, that’s completely contradictory!’ But remember, the great enemy of civilization, Black Harry the spy, before he was President, his profession was an economist! At Bretton Woods, he laid out a plan for a new world banking system- a plot by the Jews to tighten their grip over the western countries, through the United Nations and international banks. But Weissnovicz was only one of the top three Elders in the United States. Recall his two wicked mentors, spies who manipulated the American banks and world economy for years before installing their protegee in the White House. Recall the butcher Henry Morgenthau- known for the starvation of the Germans, for taking bread from the mouths of babes and leaving them to die. It is Morgenthau who is the architect of one of the worst atrocities of our age. But remember, before his destruction of Germany, he was a banker and Secretary of the Treasury for many years, and he manipulated the fiscal and economic policy of the United States to advance the interests of the Jewish-Communist conspiracy. It was he who paved the path for Weissnovicz to bring about the fall of the West.

The oldest of the Elders, of the three ruling Jews, was Bernard Baruch. He was there almost from the beginning of the century- the master of the American Svengalis, who trained Morgenthau as Morgenthau trained Weissnovicz. He controlled President Woodrow Wilson and organized the American banking sector into institutions fully under Jewish control. He brought about the Treaty of Versailles which led to the Second World War. He admits he knew of the coming of the Great Depression, for he helped destroy the world economy to make people turn to Jewish-Communism out of desperation. And finally, to top off his long storied and esteemed career, he introduced the Baruch Plan- which saw the disarmament of the West, the neutering of our military strength, which left this nation vulnerable to Communist annihilation, the atomic death. The crimes of these three men, these Jewish Svengalis, are extensively well documented. Can anyone deny that this Jewish-Communist cabal has brought about greater destruction than any other in world history? We have all seen, all felt the horrors they have unleashed upon this country. They have sat in the shadows plotting for years, putting their mechanisms into motion. It was a Jew, Vic Oliver who corrupted Sarah Churchill and brought about the downfall of Gil Winant, thus dooming the west. He too, was an agent of Bernard Baruch and the Jews who run the entertainment industry. They used our politicians like chess pieces- and look where we are today.``

“Now,” said Dahl, “we have named the evil. But despite their crimes, these goblins remain among us, in positions of power and influence. We cannot restore the Empire without rooting out the Jews among us. When I am elected to Parliament, I promise you we will free this land from foreign domination and cast out the Jews who oppress and steal from us. No more corrupt international treaties, no more feckless bureaucrats, no more endless rationing- we will return power in this country to where it belongs- not in the hands of Jews and foreigners, but in the hands of white British people. Rule Britannia!”

“Rule Britannia! Rule Britannia!” yelled the crowd of Welshmen as Roald Dahl basked in the applause. The traditional politicians, those who had served in Parliament for years; they didn’t understand the national mood. But Dahl understood the deepest fears and prejudices of the people, how hard the years had worn down their patience and goodwill. That is why, he thought, I will ultimately vanquish my enemies.

***This is a real quote from Dahl.
Oh dear god no. This... is just not good. At all.

I fear for Jews now. This is another Holocaust in the making.
 
I disagree with " The US had also not expanded its borders since the Spanish American war"

At *minimum*, between the Spanish American War and 1945, it gained the US Virgin Islands by purchase from Denmark in 1917, it gained American Samoa in the Tripartite Convention of 1899, and between the start of the TL and the current point in the TL, depending on how you consider the Trust Territories of the Pacific, the Northern Marianas Islands. (You could probably also include certain parts of the waterbed of the Rio Grande in the Treaty of 1944 in regards to the Rio Grand, but I'm not sure whether the US gained more than it lost)
Okay the Virgin islands and the Rio Grande thing are just being pedantic since they were treaties between the internationally recognized holders of the land that involved no bloodshed. And the Tripartite convention is only a single year after the Spanish American war so my timeframe argument holds there. I'll give you the point about the islands taken from Japan but as you said, that depends on how you consider it and is past the POD regardless.

Except the US has no nukes, and the USSR does.
Nukes don't reach dangerous levels until we reach fusion devices mounted on missiles and Russia has like 2 or 3 bombers capable of carrying a nuclear bomb long distances total in OTL 1953. They really aren't a danger outside of a land war in Europe which I said was the one place the USSR could contest the US. And unless White killed all the scientists on the Manhattan Project and burned all the research, the US can restart nuke production in months. Which we already know he didn't since there was a whole update about pursuing peaceful nuclear research while the Soviets are secretly making bombs from the passed along Manhattan Project documents
 
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........ You have honestly destroyed all your credibility if you're seriously comparing 1930-1945 Japan to the US of the same era. The US didn't rape cities into submission like Japan did at Nanking or institutionally dedicate itself to suicide charges and crashes. The US in general did think of itself as better that it really was, but it objectively WAS better to its people than any other notable power of the era. The US had also not expanded its borders since the Spanish American war, nearly 50 years ago by the time this TL starts while Japan was fighting wars of conquest and stamping down on their colonies, or prepping to do more of such, near nonstop since 1930.
The Filipino-American war showed Japan that brutality was acceptable if you're a great power- what Americans did there, Japanese just repeated when disappointment in their WW1 allies simply shattered their image of the Western world (Not trying to excuse Japan- just pointing out America inspired some of their evil acts). Severe racism and segregation don't qualify as being better to its people. I'd say France was better to black people than America was.
 
Okay the Virgin islands and the Rio Grande thing are just being pedantic since they were treaties between the internationally recognized holders of the land that involved no bloodshed. And the Tripartite convention is only a single year after the Spanish American war so my timeframe argument holds there. I'll give you the point about the islands taken from Japan but as you said, that depends on how you consider it and is past the POD regardless.


Nukes don't reach dangerous levels until we reach fusion devices mounted on missiles and Russia has like 2 or 3 bombers capable of carrying a nuclear bomb long distances total in OTL 1953. They really aren't a danger outside of a land war in Europe which I said was the one place the USSR could contest the US. And unless White killed all the scientists on the Manhattan Project and burned all the research, the US can restart nuke production in months. Which we already know he didn't since there was a whole update about pursuing peaceful nuclear research while the Soviets are secretly making bombs from the passed along Manhattan Project documents
Of course, by the way that the first sentence if phrased most of the Unequal treaties signed with China would fall into that category.

But I agree that the United States is not viewed as an expansionist power in anywhere *near* the same way. In fact, due to the Independence of the Republic of the Philippines, the American "Empire" at this point in the TL (as well as the same day iOTL) is smaller in both land and population than it was at any point after the ratification of the Treaty ending the Spanish American War.
 
The Filipino-American war showed Japan that brutality was acceptable if you're a great power- what Americans did there, Japanese just repeated when disappointment in their WW1 allies simply shattered their image of the Western world (Not trying to excuse Japan- just pointing out America inspired some of their evil acts). Severe racism and segregation don't qualify as being better to its people. I'd say France was better to black people than America was.
And you think Japan didn't learn the same lessons by looking at the UK in India, the Dutch in Indonesia, and France in Indochina? My point is that for all its flaws the US had the best track record of all the great powers when it came to treating people it ruled. Hell the US outright put the Philippines on a path to independence with the Jones Act and the Tydings-McDuffie Act which is infinitely more than you can say of any colonial nation of the era aside from maybe the UK with Canada, Australia, and New Zealand which is apples to oranges.

As for the argument that France treated its people better, again French Indochina. They may not be black people but they were still people France ruled over that were treated pretty poorly. As for black people do some research into the French colonies in Africa and come back to me to say it again with a straight face. Yes the way the south treated black people was awful and should have been fixed sooner, unfortunately there were only three options for that without butterflying the Civil War. 1st a more thorough reconstruction which the government at the time was unwilling to commit to. 2nd the OTL slow buildup of the civil rights movement winning over all but the most bitter and getting federal legislation passed to enforce things. 3rd a quicker civil rights bill enforced at gunpoint which would likely lead to an Irish Troubles level insurgency. Honestly so much pain could have been avoided if an administration before Lincoln had just sucked it up and bought the slaves out from under the plantation owners like every other country in Europe did to legally end slavery. That would have prevented even the CONCPET of the "Lost Cause" and killed Slavery economically rather than at gunpoint.

Of course, by the way that the first sentence if phrased most of the Unequal treaties signed with China would fall into that category.

But I agree that the United States is not viewed as an expansionist power in anywhere *near* the same way. In fact, due to the Independence of the Republic of the Philippines, the American "Empire" at this point in the TL (as well as the same day iOTL) is smaller in both land and population than it was at any point after the ratification of the Treaty ending the Spanish American War.

Well many of the Qing treaties were signed at gunpoint with the implication that it was that or Opium War again. Which breaks the "no bloodshed" part of my statement. Still I hope my arguments pointing out the history and interests of the US show why its not going Isolationist or outright "Nazi 2: Non-WASPs must die" in this TL. Doing so would require ASB levels of cultural shifts instead of the more likely extreme Antisemitism and Anti-Communism (which bleeds into White Nationalism) and interventionism to enforce this view on other countries.
 
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In terms of colonial empires, There are exactly two nations that I'd be willing to listen to arguments that they had a better record than the Americans.
1) The Danes. Greenland, Iceland and Danish Virgin Islands
2) The Swedes, Saint Barthélemy (between getting it from the French and selling it back to them). (I'm not considering the Swedish administration of Norway )
 
People, I think the problem is simpler than that.

Essentially a lot of people (Europeans and Americans especially) don't like to be pointed out that Japan looked outside, saw what the Western powers were doing, and concluded that being just as brutal or even worse was a great idea.

This is because this is interpreted as a way of saying "Japan wasn't really responsible for anything they did, it was all the West's fault" (which is false, but has sometimes been used as an argument to that effect, no matter how silly was)

Of course, as I pointed out in the Hatsunia thread, the bottom line is that Japan could have chosen not to follow suit. But they chose to follow him. At which point everything Japan did is, well, the fault of the Japanese government and military.
 
Then there is the question of who the Americans are supposed to be trading with.

Because all the assumptions about the eventual recovery and strengthening of the United States are based on the fact that the rest of the world will be desperate to trade with them. Which is highly doubtful if they become a Nazi version of North Korea.

And unless the US starts invading other countries to force them to trade with them (surely that does wonders for convincing the rest of the world that they are a reliable trading partner! /s) they have no means of forcing others to trade with them.

It will be said that SOMEONE, whoever, would want to trade with America: Who, for what, why? Anything America can offer can be had in other countries, without the penalty of "I'm funding the mad country who want to kill me for not being white enough or speaking English properly."
 
Which is highly doubtful if they become a Nazi version of North Korea.

This is the key point that ruins your argument. Its not going to become Nazi North Korea. The reveal of the coup is going to make them interventionist and cultivate relations with and arm every anti-communist regime and movement out there. Not to mention the pre-existing puppets the US has in the various Banana Republics and the Caribbean dictators. Batista won't fall if the US actively fights Castro's rebels for example.

The Soviets are hardly going to be any better at cultivating trade relations than they were OTL regardless. Stalin the paranoid maniac is still in charge and will purge anyone who steps out of line and Soviet trade doctrine is still favoring Moscow at the expense of their puppets.
 
This is the key point that ruins your argument. Its not going to become Nazi North Korea. The reveal of the coup is going to make them interventionist and cultivate relations with and arm every anti-communist regime and movement out there. Not to mention the pre-existing puppets the US has in the various Banana Republics and the Caribbean dictators. Batista won't fall if the US actively fights Castro's rebels for example.

The Soviets are hardly going to be any better at cultivating trade relations than they were OTL regardless. Stalin the paranoid maniac is still in charge and will purge anyone who steps out of line and Soviet trade doctrine is still favoring Moscow at the expense of their puppets.
You are assuming here that the puppet regimes are going to continue to hold their own, which is highly doubtful.

White will most likely drop them anyway, either because Stalin wants them to be vulnerable to communist subversion or because White himself considers them immoral.
Because spoiler, this is a situation where "because economics" is not considered a valid argument to justify stupid political decisions.

And if White lets the puppet regimes fall (as he no doubt will) what is the United States going to do? Dedicate yourself to invading other countries to force the restoration of puppets? That would only legitimize Soviet propaganda about how the United States is an evil imperialist regime, etc.

Besides, the Soviets don't even need to be the ones to control trade: they can let countries like socialist France or the German Democratic Republic do that. (This is assuming the Soviets decide for some reason to adopt a 21st century strategy like "control the economy and you will control the country" which is highly doubtful that they will).

About the "Soviet trade doctrine", I think there is a bit of American projection in your description of it.
 
Honestly this whole thing is going nowhere. You're convinced the US is going to become worse than the Nazis at international relations and trade while I believe that the more sane elements of the Anti-Communist movements will be pragmatic in international relations. Especially since you call the Soviet's economic policies "American projectionism" when the results are plain to see in modern Eastern Europe. Also in regards to Germany Stalin is implementing the MORGENTHAU PLAN. You know, the systematic de-industriaization and practical genocide of Germany?
 
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And if White lets the puppet regimes fall (as he no doubt will) what is the United States going to do? Dedicate yourself to invading other countries to force the restoration of puppets? That would only legitimize Soviet propaganda about how the United States is an evil imperialist regime, etc.
Bay of Pigs anyone? x'D
Not precisely what you're referring to, but this only bigger and explicitly backed and supported by the American government.
 
Honestly this whole thing is going nowhere. You're convinced the US is going to become worse than the Nazis at international relations and trade while I believe that the more sane elements of the Anti-Communist movements will be pragmatic in international relations. Especially since you call the Soviet's economic policies "American projectionism" when the results are plain to see in modern Eastern Europe.
The question is, will the pragmatic anti-communist elements be in charge?

Because the few glimpses into the future we've seen strongly imply that anti-communist elements of the "Hitler was right" variety are in charge. Even if it is true that it has not been mentioned at any time that they are exterminating people.

In the effects of American policies, I will point out Latin America and the enormous damage done to its economy by being reduced to banana republics, something that you apparently consider good enough to make it desirable for that relationship to continue

(I think it was you who quoted "turn banana republics into rubber republics" which would go against the assumption "USA becomes self-sufficient" because it is still dependent on foreign trade anyway).
 
Bay of Pigs anyone? x'D
Not precisely what you're referring to, but this only bigger and explicitly backed and supported by the American government.
If they organize the other invasions just as badly as that one, I think they'll only make a fool of themselves XD The problem will be how they put someone with a functional brain and an unlimited budget in charge of the invasion.
 
The question is, will the pragmatic anti-communist elements be in charge?

Because the few glimpses into the future we've seen strongly imply that anti-communist elements of the "Hitler was right" variety are in charge. Even if it is true that it has not been mentioned at any time that they are exterminating people.

In the effects of American policies, I will point out Latin America and the enormous damage done to its economy by being reduced to banana republics, something that you apparently consider good enough to make it desirable for that relationship to continue

(I think it was you who quoted "turn banana republics into rubber republics" which would go against the assumption "USA becomes self-sufficient" because it is still dependent on foreign trade anyway).

This is just twisting my words into pretzels at this point. What I said was the US was capable of being self sufficient in everything except Rubber. At this point in history it is literally half the world's economy, its largest food producer, its largest steel producer, largest energy producer, and 4th largest country by population. Rubber is the only notable resource it doesn't have ready access to due to lacking large swaths of tropical land.

I also never said the US domination of Central and South America was a good thing. Hell in a perfect world I'd have preferred the US never touched them. In this scenario however we're talking about a US that has surrendered most of Europe to Soviet domination. The cost/reward calculus is vastly changed from OTL but US interests in holding its "friendly regimes" in SA and CA aren't going to change. Even if White pulls out all military and monetary support, which he can't do since he's lost Congress and The Senate, it will take years for them to collapse and I highly doubt White makes it to the 1948 election without the coup going public in full.

Finally as for the "Hitler was right" crowd, I'm pretty sure that's going to be fueled by the Morgenthau Plan. Stalin is currently enacting a genocide that will put Hitler's 6 Million dead Jews to shame. A plan dreamed up by the former Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau, White's friend and the man who put him in position to inherit the presidency ITTL. Estimates put 25 million Germans starving to death as a result of the plan which will probably be even worse with Stalin having near total oversight of it. The reaction to this becoming "Hitler was right! The Jews were out to murder the Germans!" follows. This doesn't mean the US suddenly hates everyone who isn't a WASP, at most the rage and horror is directed at the Jews, Russians, and through whatever Dixiecrat subversion remains after the Dems are annhilated in 48' blacks in the south.
 
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I really don’t think it is in Stalin’s interest to let the entire German nation starve out. The Morgenthau Plan is gonna seriously fuck up Germany, but I could easily imagine Stalin not pursuing the program in the Soviet-occupied zone. I’m not saying they’ll have the capabilities to feed the entirety of Germany, but I could easily see East Germany becoming the place to go for Germans, as Stalin would at least give them enough calories to not die (and safety from roving bandits and all that).

The entire problem with this scenario in the first place is that it portrays a very complex actor like White as a simple communist puppet (seriously one of the main architects of Bretton Woods would not act in this way). However, I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing, as it makes for an interesting Ameri-screw scenario (and one that I hope the author prolongs by having Taft elected in ‘48 and then be succeeded by someone like McCarthy or Nixon).

The problem is that people expect this America to either shift into a Nazi country, despite the fact that it literally just bled millions of lives to the fascist scourge, or just turn into Fortress America, and cut off all ties with the rest of the world. The reality is that America would still mostly be dominated by the same elites as OTL. The main difference is that there would be an even more agressieve sentiment within both them and the populace, and a creeping siege mentality. Just like OTL America would plot coup and assassinations in other countries, but it would be even more aggressive in them, as the stakes are much higher. Instead of just countries like Iran, they would also plot to overthrow the communist-led government in Italy for example.

In the long term there wouldn’t be that many more far-right personalities creeping into high positions of power, sure the more mainstream right would entertain them more as ‘bastards on our side’, but they wouldn’t fully trust them either. We’d likely just see more Senators say shit like “communism is worse than fascism”, which in the long term obviously pushes the country towards an even more right-wing trajectory. I think this America would look a lot like OTL Turkey. A country that is unable to face it’s own sins, and even at times when it does book genuine progress, it inevitably falls back onto its own worse instincts, though they never see themselves as ‘dark’ in the same sense that the modern alt-right does.

Lastly, I think that a lot of people don’t realize that in many cases the US was already supporting the ‘bad guys’ during the OTL Cold War. Literally every third world proxy conflict is between some USSR-backed pro-civil rights guy with like a few bad opinions against a US-backed group that would make Mussolini blush. Even in Eastern Europe, one of the very few regions the US had the moral high ground, the non-communists of the 1940s and 50s were far from great guys. The US ITTL would still largely support the same guys it did OTL, but would be even more unapologetic about it.
 
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