Red Spies in the White House: An Alternate Cold War

[Mitridates the Great]

Also what TTL Germany will remember is that a Jew (White) tried to starve them simply because he hated them for not being Jewish. And the Americans were the enforcement arm for him, while the Soviets helped.

The image of the American soldier in Germany is surely that of a fat guy dressed as a cowboy and eating with full cheeks while he shoots hungry Germans between guffaws.

When the Americans to suddenly start yelling that all of this was really White's fault, and ultimately the Soviets, will seem to Germans like nothing more than a desperate attempt to cover up his own shit by blaming someone else.

Sure, it sounds very stupid (?), but no more so than white nationalist beliefs that all east of the Elbe are Jews and their puppets, which Dahl will be preaching at the same time.

 

[LelouchOfTheBarBrawl]

...The Nazis quite literally believed that the USSR was dominated by Jews.

 

[TimTurner]

Also what TTL Germany will remember is that a Jew (White) tried to starve them simply because he hated them for not being Jewish. And the Americans were the enforcement arm for him, while the Soviets helped.

The image of the American soldier in Germany is surely that of a fat guy dressed as a cowboy and eating with full cheeks while he shoots hungry Germans between guffaws.

When the Americans to suddenly start yelling that all of this was really White's fault, and ultimately the Soviets, will seem to Germans like nothing more than a desperate attempt to cover up his own shit by blaming someone else.

Sure, it sounds very stupid (?), but no more so than white nationalist beliefs that all east of the Elbe are Jews and their puppets, which Dahl will be preaching at the same time.

Jesus Christ, Nazis will have a field day, won't they...

 

[Mitridates the Great]

Jesus Christ, Nazis will have a field day, won't they...

Yes but I doubt very much tha German Nazis will forgot so quickly that America (under White) tried to genocide them (and that's how Morgenthau Plan will like for Germans).

Yeah, America can scream "This was White's fault!" but why people will accept this so quickly? "Because economics"? Lol nope, FSA obviously won't give any cent for another thing than "guns for shooting communists".

 

[TimTurner]

Yes but I doubt very much tha German Nazis will forgot so quickly that America (under White) tried to genocide them (and that's how Morgenthau Plan will like for Germans).

Yeah, America can scream "This was White's fault!" but why people will accept this so quickly? "Because economics"? Lol nope, FSA obviously won't give any cent for another thing than "guns for shooting communists".

I think that a majority of German Nazis will probably prefer the Soviets to the Americans here, simply because the Americans did the Morgenthau Plan and the Jewish factor has been nullified.
Germany in general should be Soviet-favoring, overall. At least in terms of public opinion.

 

[Gar48]

I think that a majority of German Nazis will probably prefer the Soviets to the Americans here, simply because the Americans did the Morgenthau Plan and the Jewish factor has been nullified.
Germany in general should be Soviet-favoring, overall. At least in terms of public opinion.

"The Soviets bombed our cities and killed our soldiers during the war. The Americans humiliated and starved us during peace" is probably going to be a very comon pro-Soviet sentiment in West Germany ITTL

 

[TimTurner]

"The Soviets bombed our cities and killed our soldiers during the war. The Americans humiliated and starved us during peace" is probably going to be a very comon pro-Soviet sentiment in West Germany ITTL

in particular, the deindustrialization of Germany would be extremely unpopular ITTL. Even more than everything else combined.
The youngest generation in particular should loathe what America had done, they'd be suffering more than anyone else because of it and would learn from their grandparents what Germany had achieved. When they get their voice in politics, it won't be pretty.

 

[Mitridates the Great]

"The Soviets bombed our cities and killed our soldiers during the war. The Americans humiliated and starved us during peace" is probably going to be a very comon pro-Soviet sentiment in West Germany ITTL

in particular, the deindustrialization of Germany would be extremely unpopular ITTL. Even more than everything else combined.
The youngest generation in particular should loathe what America had done, they'd be suffering more than anyone else because of it and would learn from their grandparents what Germany had achieved. When they get their voice in politics, it won't be pretty.

Essentially this.

Sure, there might be people who remember that "the Nazis claimed that the USSR was run by Jews." But it is extremely unlikely that the logical leap will be made from there to "we should side with the Americans who tried to starve us, against the Soviets who helped us rebuild the remains of our country, simply because the Americans have now been suddenly happened to start shouting that their acts against us were actually the fault of the Jews."

To posit that this should endorse a German-American alliance would certainly be seen as "Let's just take the word for people who have every reason to lie to us to evade their responsibilities and none to be honest with us, what can go wrong? "

 

[Vabasion]

I don’t see them siding with Soviets against Americans considering how America is poised to turn out. Americans shouting you were right all along we were ran by Jews and being antisemitic could turn Germany to them over Soviets

 

[Aluma]

I don’t see them siding with Soviets against Americans considering how America is poised to turn out. Americans shouting you were right all along we were ran by Jews and being antisemitic could turn Germany to them over Soviets

Doubtful
It will be "you were right all along and we starved you and your children anyway, sorry! It was the jew in control we swear!" versus "you were wrong to think us soviets were bad, but you were right about everything you said about the West and we'll support you even after you tried to exterminate us"

 

[Mitridates the Great]

Doubtful
It will be "you were right all along and we starved you and your children anyway, sorry! It was the jew in control we swear!" versus "you were wrong to think us soviets were bad, but you were right about everything you said about the West and we'll support you even after you tried to exterminate us"

Esentially this requires that this TL works in the mechanic "USA is the reasonable partner" meaning this "USA is perceived as 100% honest and reasonable no matter what they are saying".