Plus the fact that Aromanians in Greece tend to be fervently Greek and among the champions of Greek nationalism. And there were many Aromanian Greek politicians to whom such thoughts were anathema. Heck, George Averoff (who sponsored the namesake cruiser) was an Aromanian. The first puppet prime minister of OTL, Tsolakoglou, was himself of Aromanian descent, and he vehemently opposed Italian plans.
Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread
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Fidel Llorente
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I see, sometimes we forget the level of conflict between Italy and Germany.
When I say East Thrace, i mean that tiny sliver of Greek Thrace which was left under their control as an exclave.
@Zagan didn't you say somewhere once that one of your ancestors was proposed as the Prince, or am I misremembering?
Zagan
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That is correct. One of my great-grandfathers (who was also called "Minister of War" at some time) was one of many (possibly 14) candidates for the position of Voivode.
Hope I'm not stretching the thread topic too much but:
found this on some russian guy's website
Me: Mom, can I have a Greater Armenia made up of its former lands in the historical Western/Wilsonian Armenia?
Greater Armenia at home:
I agree, My guess is that sharing a border with Russia is the point though.
Likewise, the Azerbaijani irredentist side claims all of Armenia as being part of Azerbaijan, just because of some no-longer existent khanates that spanned the present day territory of Armenia. Not to mention the Azerbaijani-populated territories in northwestern Iran…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_Azerbaijan
Proposed by Azerbaijani historian Adalet Tahirzade
Includes the Iranian provinces of West Azerbaijan, East Azerbaijan, Ardabil, Kurdistan, Zanjan, Gilan, Kermanshah, Hamdan, Qazvin, Ilam, Lorestan, and Markazi.
Would someone mind making a Worlda and/or a QBAM out of this?
I mean at that point, why not have Iran annex the remainder of Azerbaijan or partition it with Russia along the Kura River?
I really think this is the biggest Armenia that doesn't include modern Turkish territory that I have ever seen.So I first learned about this guy's page from the vexillographia.ru page on Russian flag proposals, which linked to his "magnum opus" of sorts, a full-scale restructuring of the Russian Federation with flags for each new state:
I'm surprised this guy gave Iranian Azerbaijan to Greater Turkey, but only gave Turkey a tiny bit of southern Armenia. Maybe this is just because we're in a post-2nd-Karabakh war mindset, while he presumably made this soon after the 1st Karabakh war, but I feel like Armenia is more vulnerable than Iran, especially if Turkey and Azerbaijan are united. From what I hear, the Azerbaijani leadership talks about conquering Yerevan more than it talks about Tabriz.
Lmao that he describes Klaipeda as 'mostly inhabited by Russians'.
Hello everyone! I'm back but with not another World War I Central Powers war aims (like many expected) but with some 1813 Napoleonic era aims. Specifically, what Napoleon was willing to give up during the setting sun of his empire; from 1813-1814.
I apologize for the extremely sloppy borders, I'm doing this late at night and wish to go to bed. However, reading Andrew Robert's Napoleon, A Life before bed, I stumbled across these proposals and couldn't help but map them out ASAP.
During Leipzig, Napoleon admitted to his secretary of state Fain, that he was willing to renounce the duchy of warsaw, Illyria, and the Rhine confederation. He said of Italy that he wanted "the integrity and independence of the Kingdom" which he left vague on purpose. So here I have it pictured as the actual kingdom of Italy as independent whilst Naples and the rest of Italy I left untouched since they're not mentioned. He also was willing to grant independence to the Hanseatic towns, Holland and Spain (all three pictured), but only after a "general settlement with Britain" (not pictured). I took the liberty of repartitioning Poland along the 1800 lines. Obviously, it could have been partitioned differently after an 1813 peace. just like it was OTL, but again, I did it to make it easy on me. I forgot to color Andorra, Switzerland isn't mentioned at all. Rhine confederation is sloppy, cause again, I'm focusing more on general borders. The same goes with Illyria. I apologize for the laziness >~<. Also, interesting to note, that an Austrian general named Maximilian Von Merveldt that was captured during Leipzig, was released soon and sent to the Austrian Emperor. He carried a proposal from Napoleon, to turn their armies on the Russians and push them to the Vistula.
AFTER Leipzig, Napoleon was forced to retreat to the Rhine. Here, he once again confided in Fain about possible peace proposals. The Allies were pushing for France to return to her natural frontiers and give up everything else. Britain wanted France to return to its 1791 boundaries. Napoleon confided in Fain the following terms he was willing to accept. He was prepared to surrender Iberia and Germany but refused Italy and Holland. Again Switzerland isn't mentioned. I assumed if he was giving up Germany, the duchy of Warsaw would be gone again as well. The map is again, sloppy.
He considered the peace terms that Britain offered at the end of 1813 (give up Belgium and return to 1791) but he ultimately refused and apparently agreed to the Frankfurt proposals. When Murat turned his Kingdom of Naples on Napoleon, it seems as though Napoleon expected to overthrow Murat once he had pushed the allies back (obviously that never materialized).
Thank you all for reading. Credit for the Idea goes to Andrew Robert's book, and the base maps go to Crazy Boris, love his maps <3
Also, small nitpick North Tension. The dude doesn't seem Russian, but an Armenian living in Russia, judging from his last name. It would explain why Armenia Is so large on the map. (source for the last name, I'm Armenian) the website is blocked by my antivirus due to a possible trojan tho LOL
I apologize for the extremely sloppy borders, I'm doing this late at night and wish to go to bed. However, reading Andrew Robert's Napoleon, A Life before bed, I stumbled across these proposals and couldn't help but map them out ASAP.
During Leipzig, Napoleon admitted to his secretary of state Fain, that he was willing to renounce the duchy of warsaw, Illyria, and the Rhine confederation. He said of Italy that he wanted "the integrity and independence of the Kingdom" which he left vague on purpose. So here I have it pictured as the actual kingdom of Italy as independent whilst Naples and the rest of Italy I left untouched since they're not mentioned. He also was willing to grant independence to the Hanseatic towns, Holland and Spain (all three pictured), but only after a "general settlement with Britain" (not pictured). I took the liberty of repartitioning Poland along the 1800 lines. Obviously, it could have been partitioned differently after an 1813 peace. just like it was OTL, but again, I did it to make it easy on me. I forgot to color Andorra, Switzerland isn't mentioned at all. Rhine confederation is sloppy, cause again, I'm focusing more on general borders. The same goes with Illyria. I apologize for the laziness >~<. Also, interesting to note, that an Austrian general named Maximilian Von Merveldt that was captured during Leipzig, was released soon and sent to the Austrian Emperor. He carried a proposal from Napoleon, to turn their armies on the Russians and push them to the Vistula.
AFTER Leipzig, Napoleon was forced to retreat to the Rhine. Here, he once again confided in Fain about possible peace proposals. The Allies were pushing for France to return to her natural frontiers and give up everything else. Britain wanted France to return to its 1791 boundaries. Napoleon confided in Fain the following terms he was willing to accept. He was prepared to surrender Iberia and Germany but refused Italy and Holland. Again Switzerland isn't mentioned. I assumed if he was giving up Germany, the duchy of Warsaw would be gone again as well. The map is again, sloppy.
He considered the peace terms that Britain offered at the end of 1813 (give up Belgium and return to 1791) but he ultimately refused and apparently agreed to the Frankfurt proposals. When Murat turned his Kingdom of Naples on Napoleon, it seems as though Napoleon expected to overthrow Murat once he had pushed the allies back (obviously that never materialized).
Thank you all for reading. Credit for the Idea goes to Andrew Robert's book, and the base maps go to Crazy Boris, love his maps <3
Also, small nitpick North Tension. The dude doesn't seem Russian, but an Armenian living in Russia, judging from his last name. It would explain why Armenia Is so large on the map. (source for the last name, I'm Armenian
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I don't wish to sound like a broken record, but will someone please fix the UK internal borders on these maps.
