VVD0D95
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You don't think Richard, Duke of York would attempt to have Edward marry one of his own children if they're of the right age?
POLL: What's your favourite pre-modern England-wank scenario?
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You don't think Richard, Duke of York would attempt to have Edward marry one of his own children if they're of the right age?
My mother's middle name was Ethel, so the idea of a bunch of mediaeval aristocrats being called 'Ethel' brings up some rather irreverent thoughts
(Mediaeval ladyboys? No, let's not go there...)VVD0D95
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Oooh now wouldn't that be a treat.
LolMy mother's middle name was Ethel, so the idea of a bunch of mediaeval aristocrats being called 'Ethel' brings up some rather irreverent thoughts
Negative lol. My favorites are the william adelin which would be a more english england lol. Id also like to Stephens line through William win and start a new dynasty.
Henry VIII's decision to break with Rome ended up destabilising the country, directly or indirectly, down to the Jacobites and the '45. To be fair, modern British history was basically a Britain-wank anyway, so I'm not sure that a Catholic England would do better, but it would probably be less internally divided than IOTL.
Mine is where no White Ship, Matilda gets married to Thierry of Alsace, and William dies childless anyway. That way we get a Flanders dynasty controlling both Channel coasts and the Blois cadets have rival claims against each other first (Theobald's line senior status versus Stephen's line as direct vassals to Flanders).
Samsara123
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The Romano-Britons survive as a culture and remain culturally roman hundreds of years after right into the middle ages
What about one from slightly before 1066: Edward the Exile doesn't die within days after setting foot back in England, but lives say another 11 years, becoming the heir of, and then the (mostly) uncontested successor of Edward the Confessor. The House of Wessex remains on the English throne. And an important butterfly: in 1070 Archbishop Stigand is succeeded at Canterbury by Wulfstan bishop of Worcester. He reconciles the English Church to Rome and becomes the great reforming English prelate, introducing continental practices and orders, but with mostly English personnel. He is canonised shortly after his death as St Wolston of Canterbury.
I'd be interested but there is a conflict of interest - the actual historical figure is almost certainly my ancestor.
Central Scotland was once known as Alba, since at least Roman times until not that long ago they killed or ran off interlopers great and small. Relevant debris in the area is still being excavated, but I believe there is a Viking document that says something like, "maybe we should stop raiding this area for a while, they're not that rich but chock full of nuts".
My ancestors were Jacobites. They were anti-UK before it went global. I've seen Asian cultures that hate each other end arguments with, 'but at least we agree the British were worse, right'?
Obviously not the Shakespearean character. The Bard was inspired by someone's very incorrect telling of historical events.
Historical figure: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macbeth,_King_of_Scotland
Shakespeare's inspiration: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holinshed's_Chronicles
Real Macbeth had kids but the male line eventually ran out within a few generations of his death, probably by violence. Alba agreed to become.part of Scotland so long as it could largely govern itself not long before or very early into the reign of (Scottish) Alexander III. The eldest remaining daughter married a Flemish knight - he took her lands and she took his name.
Catholic England means a weaker parliament (given it was sectarian struggles that limited the monarchy), which means more absolutism, which reduces mercantile elite control, which likely butterflies the industrial revolution. The Glorious Revolution was the greatest thing to happen to the British economy.
Thats a prutty cool family history, mine is similiar. Im apparently a 8th generation descendant of King Goerge III The Mad King. Througb a bastard/un consented marriage line
There's also the statistical reason that the further back in time a particular person the more likely they are either an ancestor of everyone or noone.
So MacBethad is probably an ancestor of most people in Britain.
Unless you're Charlemagne or Genghis Khan and spread genes farther than James T Kirk. For the rest of us, the physical and social mobility was somewhat limited so there might be a less diversity in parts of the family tree the farther back one goes as well.
Charlegmane and Genghis just did it faster. The stats are just as applicable because the social mobility is across multiple generations.
If that were really true, they'd hardly be named after an Irish tribe nowadays.
The Jacobites weren't anti-UK. Or rather, some of them might have been, but Jacobitism was always about the line of succession, not the Act of Union.
I'd argue that the Crown's difficulties finding money were more important in limiting royal power, and those difficulties probably wouldn't go away just because England remains Catholic.