Poland restored at Vienna

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The schema is that seems to be a Polish (judging by the language) version of the Russian alt-history dreams about victory at Tsushima. The main problem in both cases is that "it could not be because it could not be". In other words, while being laudably patriotic, they represent a wishful thinking completely divorced from a reality. :) So, if we are talking about a pure fantasy, then the sky is a limit, the annoying facts or a common sense are applicable, argument does not make sense and you can write whatever you want.

However, if we are trying to operate with a realm of reality (with the reasonable amount of deviations) then the picture does not hold the water:

In 1807 Napoleon was almost as exhausted as his Russian-Prussian opponents. It is just that a clumsy Bennigsen's maneuver gave him a victory at Friedland (which compensated for less than a stellar Eylau) allowing to make a favorable peace. Even a potential earlier Russian defeat at Eylau would not change too much in the situation.

Under no realistic circumstances could he get much more than he got at Tilsit and "successful uprising in Lithuania" at that time is from a realm of the pipe dreams: unorganized (and mostly unarmed) civilians did not have a chance against the regular troops. Not that this could be anything but uprising of some part of szlcahta: the serfs would not care and at least part of szlcahta had been doing just fine under the Russian rule. Russian Empire had enough troops in reserve to deal with that problem (few regular and Cossack regiments would be enough to at least keep it under control).

The whole schema of forcing Russia to cede the territories annexed during the 3rd Partition and for whipping Prussia off the map would require a prolonged war in the region but Nappy had different priorities: French invasion to Portugal started in the late 1807 and a full-scale intervention in Spain in 1808. These wars had been a part of enforcing the Continental System and, hopefully I'll not offend anybody's patriotic feelings by saying that defeat of Britain was much higher on Nappy's set of priorities than independence of Poland. After all, invasion of Russia in 1812 had been more or less forced upon Napoleon by Russian unwillingness to comply with the Continental System.

As for 1812, practically any reasonably sane historian (from Clausewitz and Caulaincourt to Adam Zamoiski) described, one way or another, a futility of the whole enterprise. Napoleon's military system was NOT well-suited for this type of a war (neither did it work well in Spain) and on the top of this he did not have a clear idea how to achieve a strategic victory, which doomed the whole adventure even before it started. Then, there are some details like physical impossibility even for the Great Army to "completely devastate" the whole Central Russia (but I rather like a part about Alexander's insanity :)): it simply was not big enough and its numbers had been shrinking way too fast. Neither Russia nor France had been (or could be) completely exhausted after 1812, on a contrary, during the following fight in Germany each of them kept raising troops in very impressive numbers.

Then the schema is seemingly ignoring an obvious fact that during the French-Russian confrontation Poland is not going to be an idle viewer. In OTL, the Duchy of Warsaw raised 120,000 (out of a total population of some 4.3 million people) and had a questionable pleasure to provide food and forage for the troops passing through it territory. A prolonged war would mean a much greater devastation, especially if and when fighting continued on its territory.

Realistically, the best scenario for everybody involved (including the Duchy) would be Alexander adopting Kutuzov's proposal to stop at the Russian border because in his opinion Russia is not going to benefit from a continued war.
In "No Tilsit" TL campaign of 1807 stopped, due to exhaustion, but is renewed next year, because Alexander is obsessed with his quest to liberate Germany from "Corsican Monster", later he goes fully insane during Napoleonic invasion of 1812, seeing Napoleon literally as Anti-Christ, makes several stupid decisions before being eventually murdered (inflict peasant rebellions by promising to abolish serfdom) so his brothers have a lot of job clearing the mess he left.
 
Other options:
1) easiest-Tsar and Prussian King insist on their demands (whole Duchy of Warsaw for Alexander, whole Saxony for Prussia), meanwhile Napoleon fell ill on Elbe. War starts, then Nappy recovered and escaped, deposed Louis XVIII from the throne. France switches sides, Austria and UK are screwed.

Admittedly, situation is quite interesting. Not sure how would it work out because BOTH sides hated Nappy but OTOH if they are in a midst of a fighting it would be some logic in forgetting the old animosities.


Alexander get whole Duchy of Warsaw and Galizia from beaten Austria. Situation would not be stable-Poland is now only Russians' problem, neighbours could play Polish card freely, but Alex fulfilled his dream, would not worry about this now. If something like November Uprising happen ITTL, Russia would need to give part of Poland for Prussia's help anyway.

Even a greater in size version of the Congressional Poland would not be able to resist Russian Empire for too long so the neighbors help is not needed. OTOH, if ATL Poland includes most of the Polish territories, has its own constitution, and even a viceroy who is a hysterical Polonophile, what is a reason for the uprising? Actually, I never could quite get a reason for one in OTL: Napoleon had been using the Poles as a cannon fodder in the wars which had nothing to do with them and hold a tight control over the Duchy but they were extremely happy and ready to die for him. When they got at least the same (and perhaps greater) rights within the Congressional Poland, they were grumpy practically from the very beginning. Of course, Constantine had a troubled personality (and had problems with the Russian Guards when he commanded them) but he hardly was an enemy of Poland: he ordered fortifications on the Russian-Polish border and, when uprising started (and he was forced to flee) lauded the early victories of the Polish troops.

2) Second partition is the last one, PLC is divided completly between Prussia and Austria in 1793 (could happen easily, if Poniatowski, instead of joining Targowica, decided to fight to the bitter end in defense of Constitution).

He could fight but the forces were too unequal for the chance of a victory and Russia would get its piece of the territory, which was mostly Belarussian and Western Ukrainian lands.
 
He could fight but the forces were too unequal for the chance of a victory and Russia would get its piece of the territory, which was mostly Belarussian and Western Ukrainian lands.
Victory of Constitution's defenders is outside reach, but it is not the point-2nd partition is last one as result, because Poland cease to exist two years earlier, with different division of PLC (more for Prussia, less for Austria).

And for the reasons of November Uprising-it was started by young, jobless frustrates, for whom there was no job in army or administration, with bigger Congress Poland this problem could possibly be solved (more jobs in administration in bigger country). These desperate nuts, having nothing better to do in life, simply decided to die for their country, and they were so wise, that they started uprising from killing experienced Polish generals, who didn't want to join and trying to kill biggest Polonophile in House of Romanov (Constantine).
 

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Victory of Constitution's defenders is outside reach, but it is not the point-2nd partition is last one as result, because Poland cease to exist two years earlier, with different division of PLC (more for Prussia, less for Austria).

And for the reasons of November Uprising-it was started by young, jobless frustrates, for whom there was no job in army or administration, with bigger Congress Poland this problem could possibly be solved (more jobs in administration in bigger country). These desperate nuts, having nothing better to do in life, simply decided to die for their country, and they were so wise, that they started uprising from killing experienced Polish generals, who didn't want to join and trying to kill biggest Polonophile in House of Romanov (Constantine).
That's true. But there was also the second aspects. The control over "liberated" Warsaw and the Goverment remained in hands of experienced men not those young revolutionaries. They wanted to talk with Nicolas I, with very limited request, mainly just return to the constitution and abiding it instead of increasing tyrrany. Sadly Nicolas I was just a primitive russian mordodzierżca and prefered the war, instead of agremment.
 
That's true. But there was also the second aspects. The control over "liberated" Warsaw and the Goverment remained in hands of experienced men not those young revolutionaries. They wanted to talk with Nicolas I, with very limited request, mainly just return to the constitution and abiding it instead of increasing tyrrany. Sadly Nicolas I was just a primitive russian mordodzierżca and prefered the war, instead of agremment.
These older leaders are to be blamed too, they were not that hot-blooded, but at the same time they couldn't decide what to do-they joined rebelion, aware that it is mistake, but once they did it, they were afraid to beat Russian armies decisively to not enrage the Tsar. And uprising with goal to return to status quo, does it make any sense? Nicholas I was just old-school, legitimist monarch and treated his job seriously-his subjects rebelled against him, crowned King of Poland, so they rebelled against will of God.
 
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