With better leadership ability from Nicky, avoiding the disastrous Russo-Japanese wars which caused a mini revolution and the even more disastrous move of getting into WW1 which lead to total revolution and him and his family getting killed. What if instead he listens to his advisers more on issues of workers rights, economic decisions and Russia escapes the 1900-1920s without any revolution. Let's say his son never has any medical conditions and is perfectly healthy and becomes the greatest Tsar in history and Russia continues to grow economically and increase quality of life for its citizens and the process continues with Tsar after Tsar. This would obviously be the best case scenario for Tsartist russia, but is it plausable at all or realisitic? or is having Russia as an absolute Monarch in 2023 ASB regardless?
PC: Russia remains total Monarchy to present day
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If people are well fed, well provided for in contrast to outsiders they compare themselves to (in Russia's case, other Europeans),and they feel like they are free to live their life without persecution, people don't really care what is the type of government they are under. Majority of people don't care if it'sn a autocrat, democratic government of the US kind, swiss style direct democracy, UK style constitutional monarchy and a parliament with no constitution or China style communism until they feel their life is improving and not going down the drain or stagnate. So if Nicky makes people's lives better than their peers in other kingdoms/nations, they won't care
That has been done before in timelines on this site. I suppose if it was ever going to adopt the monarchy again, it would be in the unsettled environment of the post-Soviet era.
Very unlikely. Russians already try with monarchy centuries and it didn't work. Monarchis hardly gets more ground with realistic way after fall of Soviet Union. Monarchism was just too discredited in Russia that ti could be restored.
there are a few absolute monarchies left, they survived by not being a threat to any major power while also getting rich off of selling (oil) to the major powers. I think these are the keys, constant revenue for placating/subjugating citizens, and very little outside pressure to reform.
a Russian monarchy is probably not going to slide under the radar of europe/US, so forging very good relations/an alliance with key major powers is vital. If there are to be enemy powers, they must be on the losing side. The international attention cannot be on the abuses of the Russian monarchy, which means the major players must be invested in a Russia that keeps their enemies in check (Germany?)
But chess and checkers aside, none of this will matter if your citizens demand change. Luckily, citizens are fickle and have lives to tend to, so as long as they see their lives are steadily improving, and that they aren’t as bad as those guys (insert enemy state) reform movements can be dealt with.
Even if all of this is done, I see a European absolute monarchy being a hard sell in 2023, but if the Russian royal line was crafty and determined enough (not too liberal that they give up power themselves, not too conservative that they antagonize the reformists too much) theoretically I think it would be possible.
a Russian monarchy is probably not going to slide under the radar of europe/US, so forging very good relations/an alliance with key major powers is vital. If there are to be enemy powers, they must be on the losing side. The international attention cannot be on the abuses of the Russian monarchy, which means the major players must be invested in a Russia that keeps their enemies in check (Germany?)
But chess and checkers aside, none of this will matter if your citizens demand change. Luckily, citizens are fickle and have lives to tend to, so as long as they see their lives are steadily improving, and that they aren’t as bad as those guys (insert enemy state) reform movements can be dealt with.
Even if all of this is done, I see a European absolute monarchy being a hard sell in 2023, but if the Russian royal line was crafty and determined enough (not too liberal that they give up power themselves, not too conservative that they antagonize the reformists too much) theoretically I think it would be possible.
I think its quite possible if the monarchy didnt lose any major wars, although it would be hard for them.
Russia since then has not been democratic so its not like you need to give people freedome to rule.
If the Tsars were able to follow strategies right wing/nationalist dictatorships used to maintain power they could do it, they were already doing a lot of them but they weren't modernised enough but that can change over time, with a modernised secret police, (they already have the Okhrana but this was small compared with later secret police forces)
modern propaganda methods (they already had these in a earlier form) and the creation of a state backed kind of pro tsarist mass movement (the black hundereds were an early form of this but it was still primitive and not weilded properly compared to later movements of this type) they could keep power.
With time and good leadership they can realise the importance of these tools for maintaining autocracy, maybe if they see another example like an alternate Mussolinis Italy and they already had the beginings of these things so its quite plaisble IMO.
Okhrana - Wikipedia
