Nazi party in a CP victory world?
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Veeeeeeery unlikely. There's no real reasons in a CP victory world for supporting the Nazis. Like, how can you believe into the Dolchstoßlegende if Germany didn't lose the Great War in the first place? It's possible that the Great Depression (or something similar) would still happen, but bear in mind that Germany is still has the emperor. The only way I could see this *might* work out is that the Nazis in this TL style themselves as explicitly anti-monarchist. Still rather far-fetched, though...
yourworstnightmare
Banned
A very different Nazi party, not revengist. Probably a party rabbling about the corrupt jews, the decadent monarchy and the criminal separation of the German people in two nations (Germany and Austria). War would not be high on their preferences. Could even be more Socialist. Still, for this group to get into power you'll need some serious disasters in the Kaiserreich, otherwise it would just be a insignificant party on the fringes of German society.
There's very likely to be a party or three based on völkisch ideology, antisemitism and race politics, but having a self-taught Austrian painter become a successful politician in one is very very improbable.
Giving this a twist, though: while there is very little chance of them becoming successful, they could certainly be loud. Have the Nazis condemn the new Mitteleuropa political order (all those Slavs moving into the fatherland), demand Germany give up her colonies (NEGROES, for crying out loud), oppose the monarchy and all the institutions that won the war in favour of a pacifist, non-expansionist autarky policy based on a polity for the racially pure German people. Plus, make them esoteric as all get-out.
Giving this a twist, though: while there is very little chance of them becoming successful, they could certainly be loud. Have the Nazis condemn the new Mitteleuropa political order (all those Slavs moving into the fatherland), demand Germany give up her colonies (NEGROES, for crying out loud), oppose the monarchy and all the institutions that won the war in favour of a pacifist, non-expansionist autarky policy based on a polity for the racially pure German people. Plus, make them esoteric as all get-out.
The Nazi's required the instability of Post war Germany as well as the growing racism there (since there was a widely held myth that the Jews betrayed what would have been a cease-fire at the last minute, as well as racism already present- no more so than most of the western world, though). With a stable Germany, the Nazi's have nothing to exploit and would just be a bunch of rabbling occultists. Hitler also would not have become a Nazi since it was his anger at Germany's defeat that drove him really mad.
So fascist parties could likely rise in the defeated nations of Britain, France, etc., but not in a victorious Germany.
So fascist parties could likely rise in the defeated nations of Britain, France, etc., but not in a victorious Germany.
it's unlikely Hitler would leave the army, after all, he found it to be his 'true calling'
and as for the Nazi Party....maybe it would end up being some sort of I dunno, socialist workman party.
and as for the Nazi Party....maybe it would end up being some sort of I dunno, socialist workman party.
Germany already had three of these - the SPD, USPD and KPD. Not a good market niche to try and fill. They have a much better chance if they aim for völkisch race ideology, garnished with proto-environmentalism, nudism, neopagan spritiuality, revolutionary rhetoric and sex.
ninebucks
Banned
That'd be really interesting. They'd probably never get elected to anything, but I'm sure they'd hold pretty cool rallies.
Faeelin
Banned
Hrmm. Was Germany in 1917 more democratic than Taisho Japan?
After all, Japan and Italy "won" WW1 as well...
oh, that's a lot of scoialist parties, isn't that?
well......
I don't think they'ld turn to Racist ideals without Hitler.
I think you've got it the wrong way round. The DAP already *was* a racist, right-wing party. Its shtick was that it tried to specifically appeal to workers who held these beliefs (they were more commonly a middle-class phenomenon and most other völkisch parties were based there). Hitler came to them and found a spiritual home, he did not hijack a socialist outfit and make it racist.
Without him, though, there's a good chance that the story begins and ends with anrgy men meeting at a Bierkeller. They weren't exactly an impressive outfit as political parties go.