Mixed Nutz: The Timeline Where MGM and Warner Bros. Are the Main Rivals of the American Animation Industry

[ArcticAurora2002]

Awesome! Hey if mgm/Hanna barbera is Warner's new competition instead of disney, does that mean they'll aquire marvel comics? Do you mind if I pitch an idea for what might happens to the marvel and dc cartoons when you get to the 70's?

Okay, so you know Hanna barbera made superhero action shows with realistic drawn people like in actual comics space ghost, birdman, the herculoids,the galaxy trio and eventually the dcsuperfriends, but before that hb had made a cartoon about Marvel's fantastic four which aired on ABC alongside spiderman and the marvel superheroes which were made by grantray-lawrence animation until they went bankrupt in 68 while all of dc's cartoons were made by filmation.

So what I'm proposing is instead of Hanna barbera creating superfriends, dc would stick with filmation to produce a 30 minute cartoon featuring a revolving cast with Superman, batman, wonder woman, aquaman, Flash, green lantern, the atom and hawkman with the teen titans consisting of Robin, wonder girl, kid flash and aqualad taking the place of Marvin, Wendy and wonder dog.

To compete with this new program, Hanna barbera would be given permission to use the marvel characters whose rights were previously held up by grantray-lawrence to make their own super team show based Off the avengers with a line up consisting of iron man, captain america, hulk, thor, wasp, scarlet witch, black panther and the vision with other heroes like nick fury of shield, spiderman and doctor strange making guest appearances.

The success of this show would lead to a long standing partnership between marvel and Hanna barbera with characters created for the show appearing in the comics and spiderman taking batman's place in crossovers with scooby doo, eventually the later would continue to help co-produce other superhero cartoons for marvel productions such as spiderman and his amazing friends, an x men cartoon in a similar formula to transformers and gi joe and the final seasons of the avengers, each with a toyline to accompany them and all having guest appearances by other heroes like the black knight, daredevil, namor and Shanna the she devil, eventually leading to mgm outbidding Ron perelman for the purchase of marvel entertainment group in order to further compete with Warner following their purchase of National periodical publications In 67.

So what do you think?

I have considered the possibility of MGM purchasing Marvel ITTL (especially since TTL's version of Disney won't be purchasing the latter), but I haven't yet decided if I'll go through with it. If I do, it'd probably be around the mid-to-late 70s at the earliest, as during that period IOTL Marvel was the go-to publisher for comics based on Hanna-Barbera's shows, while Hanna-Barbera had another Fantastic Four cartoon in the works (which will still exist ITTL, but without the licensing issues that caused the exclusion of the Human Torch IOTL). But having them outbid Ron Pearlman certainly works too (especially if it helps TTL avert the Dark Age of Comic Books)!

I do like your idea for TTL's equivalent to Superfriends, though I was originally planning for Warner Bros. to develop that show in-house. Then again, considering that they had a distribution deal with Filmation during this time, I wouldn't put it being a co-production between the two out of consideration.

 

[ArcticAurora2002]

Okay, here's a (mostly) complete list of Hanna-Barbera's productions from 1957 to 1969 IOTL:

• 1957:
  • The Ruff and Reddy Show (1957–1960, 156 episodes, NBC)
• 1958:
  • The Huckleberry Hound Show (1958–1961, 68 episodes, Syndication)
• 1959:
  • The Quick Draw McGraw Show (1959–1961, 45 episodes, Syndication)
  • Loopy De Loop (1959–1965, 48 shorts)
• 1960:
  • The Flintstones (1960–1966, 166 episodes, ABC)
• 1961:
  • The Yogi Bear Show (1961–1962, 33 episodes, Syndication)
  • Top Cat (1961–1962, 30 episodes, ABC)
• 1962:
  • The Hanna-Barbera New Cartoon Series (1962–1963, 52 episodes/156 shorts, Syndication)
  • The Jetsons (1962–1963, 24 episodes, ABC)
• 1964:
  • The Magilla Gorilla Show (1963–1967, 31 episodes, Syndication)
  • Hey There, It's Yogi Bear! (June 3, 1964, feature-length film)
  • Jonny Quest (1964–1965, 26 episodes, ABC)
  • The Peter Potamus Show (1964–1966, 27 episodes, Syndication)
• 1965:
  • The Atom Ant/Secret Squirrel Show (1965–1968, 26 episodes, NBC)
  • Sinbad Jr. and his Magic Belt (1965–1966, 102 episodes, Syndication)
• 1966:
  • Alice in Wonderland or What's a Nice Kid Like You Doing in a Place Like This? (March 30, 1966, made-for-TV film, ABC)
  • Laurel and Hardy (1966–1967, 39 episodes/156 shorts, NBC)
  • Frankenstein Jr. and The Impossibles (1966–1968, 18 episodes, CBS)
  • The Man Called Flintstone (August 3, 1966, feature-length film)
  • Space Ghost and Dino Boy (1966–1968, 18 episodes, CBS)
  • The Space Kidettes (1966–1967, 20 episodes, NBC)
• 1967:
  • The Abbott and Costello Cartoon Show (1967–1968, 39 episodes/156 shorts, Syndication)
  • Birdman and the Galaxy Trio (1967–1969, 20 episodes, NBC)
  • The Herculoids (1967–1968, 18 episodes, CBS)
  • Shazzan (1967–1969, 18 episodes, CBS)
  • The Fantastic Four (1967–1968, 20 episodes, ABC)
  • Moby Dick and Mighty Mightor (1967–1969, 18 episodes, CBS)
  • Samson & Goliath (1967–1968, 20 episodes, NBC)
• 1968:
  • The Banana Splits Adventure Hour (1968–1970, 31 episodes, NBC)
  • The Adventures of Gulliver (1968–1969, 17 episodes, ABC)
  • The New Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (1968–1969, 20 episodes, NBC)
  • Wacky Races (1968–1970, 34 episodes, CBS)
• 1969:
  • The Perils of Penelope Pitstop (1969–1971, 17 episodes, CBS)
  • Dastardly and Muttley in Their Flying Machines (1969–1971, 17 episodes, CBS)
  • Cattanooga Cats (1969–1971, 17 episodes, ABC)
  • Scooby-Doo, Where Are You! (1969–1971, 25 episodes, CBS)

What changes should be made ITTL?

 

[TheFaultsofAlts]

Okay, here's a (mostly) complete list of Hanna-Barbera's productions from 1957 to 1969 IOTL:

• 1957:
  • The Ruff and Reddy Show (1957–1960, 156 episodes, NBC)
• 1958:
  • The Huckleberry Hound Show (1958–1961, 68 episodes, Syndication)
• 1959:
  • The Quick Draw McGraw Show (1959–1961, 45 episodes, Syndication)
  • Loopy De Loop (1959–1965, 48 shorts)
• 1960:
  • The Flintstones (1960–1966, 166 episodes, ABC)
• 1961:
  • The Yogi Bear Show (1961–1962, 33 episodes, Syndication)
  • Top Cat (1961–1962, 30 episodes, ABC)
• 1962:
  • The Hanna-Barbera New Cartoon Series (1962–1963, 52 episodes/156 shorts, Syndication)
  • The Jetsons (1962–1963, 24 episodes, ABC)
• 1964:
  • The Magilla Gorilla Show (1963–1967, 31 episodes, Syndication)
  • Hey There, It's Yogi Bear! (June 3, 1964, feature-length film)
  • Jonny Quest (1964–1965, 26 episodes, ABC)
  • The Peter Potamus Show (1964–1966, 27 episodes, Syndication)
• 1965:
  • The Atom Ant/Secret Squirrel Show (1965–1968, 26 episodes, NBC)
  • Sinbad Jr. and his Magic Belt (1965–1966, 102 episodes, Syndication)
• 1966:
  • Alice in Wonderland or What's a Nice Kid Like You Doing in a Place Like This? (March 30, 1966, made-for-TV film, ABC)
  • Laurel and Hardy (1966–1967, 39 episodes/156 shorts, NBC)
  • Frankenstein Jr. and The Impossibles (1966–1968, 18 episodes, CBS)
  • The Man Called Flintstone (August 3, 1966, feature-length film)
  • Space Ghost and Dino Boy (1966–1968, 18 episodes, CBS)
  • The Space Kidettes (1966–1967, 20 episodes, NBC)
• 1967:
  • The Abbott and Costello Cartoon Show (1967–1968, 39 episodes/156 shorts, Syndication)
  • Birdman and the Galaxy Trio (1967–1969, 20 episodes, NBC)
  • The Herculoids (1967–1968, 18 episodes, CBS)
  • Shazzan (1967–1969, 18 episodes, CBS)
  • The Fantastic Four (1967–1968, 20 episodes, ABC)
  • Moby Dick and Mighty Mightor (1967–1969, 18 episodes, CBS)
  • Samson & Goliath (1967–1968, 20 episodes, NBC)
• 1968:
  • The Banana Splits Adventure Hour (1968–1970, 31 episodes, NBC)
  • The Adventures of Gulliver (1968–1969, 17 episodes, ABC)
  • The New Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (1968–1969, 20 episodes, NBC)
  • Wacky Races (1968–1970, 34 episodes, CBS)
• 1969:
  • The Perils of Penelope Pitstop (1969–1971, 17 episodes, CBS)
  • Dastardly and Muttley in Their Flying Machines (1969–1971, 17 episodes, CBS)
  • Cattanooga Cats (1969–1971, 17 episodes, ABC)
  • Scooby-Doo, Where Are You! (1969–1971, 25 episodes, CBS)

What changes should be made ITTL?

First, I'll tackle the shows that can be scrapped entirely:

• Sinbad Jr. and His Magic Belt
• The Space Kidettes
• Moby Dick and Mighty Mightor
• Samson and Goliath (AKA: Young Samson)
• The New Adventures of Huckleberry Finn

Next, I'd allow for Laurel and Hardy, Abbott and Costello, Fantastic Four, and The Adventures of Gulliver to be made elsewhere. I can assure you that that last one would be a good Paramount cartoon. No one remembers the other five shows.

Following that, I would maybe give Top Cat and The Jetsons additional seasons. Maybe Top Cat's would be better suited for Saturday mornings, though.

Further on, maybe give one of the action cartoons a feature-length movie sometime after The Man Called Flintstone. I'm thinking either Space Ghost or Jonny Quest, but it could be any one of them.

Last, maybe consider a third spinoff from the Wacky Races series for 1971. Just a thought.

 

[Sonny912]

Okay, here's a (mostly) complete list of Hanna-Barbera's productions from 1957 to 1969 IOTL:

• 1957:
  • The Ruff and Reddy Show (1957–1960, 156 episodes, NBC)
• 1958:
  • The Huckleberry Hound Show (1958–1961, 68 episodes, Syndication)
• 1959:
  • The Quick Draw McGraw Show (1959–1961, 45 episodes, Syndication)
  • Loopy De Loop (1959–1965, 48 shorts)
• 1960:
  • The Flintstones (1960–1966, 166 episodes, ABC)
• 1961:
  • The Yogi Bear Show (1961–1962, 33 episodes, Syndication)
  • Top Cat (1961–1962, 30 episodes, ABC)
• 1962:
  • The Hanna-Barbera New Cartoon Series (1962–1963, 52 episodes/156 shorts, Syndication)
  • The Jetsons (1962–1963, 24 episodes, ABC)
• 1964:
  • The Magilla Gorilla Show (1963–1967, 31 episodes, Syndication)
  • Hey There, It's Yogi Bear! (June 3, 1964, feature-length film)
  • Jonny Quest (1964–1965, 26 episodes, ABC)
  • The Peter Potamus Show (1964–1966, 27 episodes, Syndication)
• 1965:
  • The Atom Ant/Secret Squirrel Show (1965–1968, 26 episodes, NBC)
  • Sinbad Jr. and his Magic Belt (1965–1966, 102 episodes, Syndication)
• 1966:
  • Alice in Wonderland or What's a Nice Kid Like You Doing in a Place Like This? (March 30, 1966, made-for-TV film, ABC)
  • Laurel and Hardy (1966–1967, 39 episodes/156 shorts, NBC)
  • Frankenstein Jr. and The Impossibles (1966–1968, 18 episodes, CBS)
  • The Man Called Flintstone (August 3, 1966, feature-length film)
  • Space Ghost and Dino Boy (1966–1968, 18 episodes, CBS)
  • The Space Kidettes (1966–1967, 20 episodes, NBC)
• 1967:
  • The Abbott and Costello Cartoon Show (1967–1968, 39 episodes/156 shorts, Syndication)
  • Birdman and the Galaxy Trio (1967–1969, 20 episodes, NBC)
  • The Herculoids (1967–1968, 18 episodes, CBS)
  • Shazzan (1967–1969, 18 episodes, CBS)
  • The Fantastic Four (1967–1968, 20 episodes, ABC)
  • Moby Dick and Mighty Mightor (1967–1969, 18 episodes, CBS)
  • Samson & Goliath (1967–1968, 20 episodes, NBC)
• 1968:
  • The Banana Splits Adventure Hour (1968–1970, 31 episodes, NBC)
  • The Adventures of Gulliver (1968–1969, 17 episodes, ABC)
  • The New Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (1968–1969, 20 episodes, NBC)
  • Wacky Races (1968–1970, 34 episodes, CBS)
• 1969:
  • The Perils of Penelope Pitstop (1969–1971, 17 episodes, CBS)
  • Dastardly and Muttley in Their Flying Machines (1969–1971, 17 episodes, CBS)
  • Cattanooga Cats (1969–1971, 17 episodes, ABC)
  • Scooby-Doo, Where Are You! (1969–1971, 25 episodes, CBS)

What changes should be made ITTL?

Eh nothing really, it looks perfect. This was Hanna Barbara's golden age, honestly besides my have hb make marvel cartoons over dc idea the only changes needed would be during the 80s when it started to decline(outside the smurfs of course).