WI Henry IV wed Isabella of Valois instead of her sister Catherine. I'd assume Isabella won't shack up with Owain Tudor meaning no Tudor dynasty, no union of the crowns, etc.
Francis is possible, but I could see some protestation from Catherine of Austria on that marriage. Isabella could marry the Duke of Savoy in place of her sister Beatrice or King Henry VIIII if Catherine of Aragon dies in the 1520s. Ferdinand of Austria is also possible if he inherits Spain in ALT.Alternate husbands for Isabella of Portugal, IOTL the wife of Charles V?
@isabella could she possibly wed into France as the wife of Francis I after death of Claude?
Why would Catherine of Austria protest that match...?Francis is possible, but I could see some protestation from Catherine of Austria on that marriage. Isabella could marry the Duke of Savoy in place of her sister Beatrice or King Henry VIIII if Catherine of Aragon dies in the 1520s. Ferdinand of Austria is also possible if he inherits Spain in ALT.
Because it would jeopardise her brother's alliance with Portugal. And yes I do mean Charles's brother.Why would Catherine of Austria protest that match...?
OK but Isabella as queen of England would be interesting...also by Ferdinand of Austria do you mean the brother of Charles?
I doubt she would be interested, at that point she was already decided to marry “Charles or God“Alternate husbands for Isabella of Portugal, IOTL the wife of Charles V?
@isabella could she possibly wed into France as the wife of Francis I after death of Claude?
No way Isabella would marry the Duke of Savoy, as her mother’s last wish was Isabella’s wedding to a King or his heir and then Isabella was quite fixated with Charles at the point to decide who she would either marry him or become a nun, meaning who a match to Henry VIII or Francis I is extremely unlikely.Francis is possible, but I could see some protestation from Catherine of Austria on that marriage. Isabella could marry the Duke of Savoy in place of her sister Beatrice or King Henry VIIII if Catherine of Aragon dies in the 1520s. Ferdinand of Austria is also possible if he inherits Spain in ALT.
Isabella could be forced to wed if her father was still alive and if he decided she could NOT marry Charles, then she is powerless to stop him...though I agree that she won't wed the duke of Savoy if a younger sister can do that...also I doubt Ferdinand will inherit Spanish realms in the first place, but if Ferdinand of Aragon Sr decides he's the heir, then sure he could work for Isabella. Anna Jagiellon weds, idk, ITTLI doubt she would be interested, at that point she was already decided to marry “Charles or God“
No way Isabella would marry the Duke of Savoy, as her mother’s last wish was Isabella’s wedding to a King or his heir and then Isabella was quite fixated with Charles at the point to decide who she would either marry him or become a nun, meaning who a match to Henry VIII or Francis I is extremely unlikely.
Catherine’s wedding to John of Portugal happened together to the one of Isabella and Charles, meaning who she would not be in he place for saying anything if John choose to marry his sister in France (but such match would be likely seen as useless as Francis had already three sons and Isabella was against marrying anyone but Charles). Charles‘ elder sister Eleanor was the Dowager Queen of Portugal but she was already long returned in her brother’s realms at this point meaning who she also would not be able to persuade John to do anything (but I doubt who John would force Isabella to marry or who she would change idea on marrying)
So a Ferdinand who inherited the Spanish realms instead of his older brother is the likeliest alternative match for her
Not true. Portugal was NOT used to force unwilling princesses to marry, plus Manuel absolutely wanted marry Isabella to Charles at the point to refute the proposed match between John and Eleanor of Austria unless Charles married Isabella, and was deeply offended when Charles refuted as he liked better marry Francis I’s baby daughter, at the point who Charles had to offer Eleanor as bride to Manuel for recovering the friendship with Portugal without marrying Isabella.Isabella could be forced to wed if her father was still alive and if he decided she could NOT marry Charles, then she is powerless to stop him...though I agree that she won't wed the duke of Savoy if a younger sister can do that...also I doubt Ferdinand will inherit Spanish realms in the first place, but if Ferdinand of Aragon Sr decides he's the heir, then sure he could work for Isabella. Anna Jagiellon weds, idk, ITTL
While Manuel WANTED to marry Isabella to Charles, if Charles is already married, then he HAS to find another husband for Isabella. And Isabella won't be able to do ANYTHING about it. Although I do agree that Charles preferring to wed a daughter of Francis I is ridiculously stupid because he needed sons. (IOTL he only had ONE son and we all know how well that son's reproduction history was...) Also of course Ferdinand of Aragon cannot persuade Castilian Cortes to appoint Ferdinand Jr as heir, we all know how well bypassing senior heirs go...Not true. Portugal was NOT used to force unwilling princesses to marry, plus Manuel absolutely wanted marry Isabella to Charles at the point to refute the proposed match between John and Eleanor of Austria unless Charles married Isabella, and was deeply offended when Charles refuted as he liked better marry Francis I’s baby daughter, at the point who Charles had to offer Eleanor as bride to Manuel for recovering the friendship with Portugal without marrying Isabella.
The only reason for which Charles inherited Spain was who Ferdinand of Aragon was unable to persuade the Castillean Cortes to name Ferdinand jr as heir instead of Charles (as he was quite unpopular there after his remarriage to Germaine) and was persuaded to not break the union between Castile and Aragon.
Anna of Hungary will wed Emperor Maximilian here…
In theory, a Giray would take over. The Empire might be in trouble though. Interesting proposed POD.What if the Ottoman dynasty comes to an end due to fratricide?
Let's say Murad IV kills Ibrahim. What's next?
I've explored this before.
If Charles had married Mary Tudor the elder as was originally planned, is likely who Ferdinand sr would be able to get his namesake nephew as heir at least of Aragon meaning who Isabella will marry him.While Manuel WANTED to marry Isabella to Charles, if Charles is already married, then he HAS to find another husband for Isabella. And Isabella won't be able to do ANYTHING about it. Although I do agree that Charles preferring to wed a daughter of Francis I is ridiculously stupid because he needed sons. (IOTL he only had ONE son and we all know how well that son's reproduction history was...)
Ferdinand of Aragon can very well do it as Charles was a foreigner with many other lands, while Ferdinand jr was born and was raised in Spain, meaning who he would be an attractive candidate, if either Ferdinand sr had not become unpopular in Castile since his remarriage (who was seen as a great betrayal toward the late Isabella) or the younger Ferdinand had spent time also in Castile (instead of being raised exclusively in Aragon) as Philip and his Burgundian followers had not left a great impression in CastileAlso of course Ferdinand of Aragon cannot persuade Castilian Cortes to appoint Ferdinand Jr as heir, we all know how well bypassing senior heirs go...
Yeah. I guess the Austrian Habsburgs are good candidates.Well, the son of Elisabeth and Philip II will certainly be less inbred. That will DEFINITELY help Spain in the future. Joan or Victoria could perhaps wed Rudolf II? Feodor I of Russia, for a fun but ASB butterfly? Matthias, also Holy Roman Emperor? Charles Stuart (son of Margaret Douglas)? As the TENTH child, there's barely any dowry, so a lower match could be possible.
I mean, Sicily was under Musilm rule for some time, so this shouldn't be too hard.By having a non-christian religion probably. Maybe it reverts to Hellenism, though it's difficult to see how it could survive such a thing surrounded by Christian and Muslim states on all sides. Or maybe it could go Manichean or something like that... or some new Abrahamic religion like maybe they have a new Prophet of their own. That could be a pretty interesting scenario. Imagine a Mohammed like Character that unites the divided peninsula against all odds and they somehow manages to survive any Crusades or Jihads thrown their way.