Ming in Exile
- Thread starter Kaze
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But after 400 years, though descended from Chinese Emperors would they see themselves as Chinese? Especially if they are conquered or take refugees from say, the Satsuma Japanese or Okinawans..
A fun (aborted) timeline on Koxinga's fleet setting up in San Francisco Bay.
The prospects of a Ming exile empire in mainland Southeast Asia are interesting-- OTL saw large numbers of Chinese citizens moving south on individual initiative, and after the Chinese Civil War some renegade KMT set up bases in upland SEA (and some became involved in opiate trafficking not long after). Anyways, imagine-- instead of being destroyed piecemeal like other movements, a Ming restorationist faction relocates to Vietnam's Cao Bang province, taking up the prerogative of "protection" the Ming claimed over the local Mac family (which had seen its attempt at paramountcy over all Vietnam foiled by the Trinh and Nguyen families). Then, maybe some sustained pressure from the Viets or Qing (or pressure from within, as peasants tire of feeding the Ming exiles and force the Mac to act) forces them to flee south in disgrace... but then, miracle of miracles, they receive submission (at least de facto; de jure can come later) from the Khmer principality on the condition that they help hold off Ayutthaya and the creeping Nguyen-led "Southern March" of Vietnam...
The prospects of a Ming exile empire in mainland Southeast Asia are interesting-- OTL saw large numbers of Chinese citizens moving south on individual initiative, and after the Chinese Civil War some renegade KMT set up bases in upland SEA (and some became involved in opiate trafficking not long after). Anyways, imagine-- instead of being destroyed piecemeal like other movements, a Ming restorationist faction relocates to Vietnam's Cao Bang province, taking up the prerogative of "protection" the Ming claimed over the local Mac family (which had seen its attempt at paramountcy over all Vietnam foiled by the Trinh and Nguyen families). Then, maybe some sustained pressure from the Viets or Qing (or pressure from within, as peasants tire of feeding the Ming exiles and force the Mac to act) forces them to flee south in disgrace... but then, miracle of miracles, they receive submission (at least de facto; de jure can come later) from the Khmer principality on the condition that they help hold off Ayutthaya and the creeping Nguyen-led "Southern March" of Vietnam...
I keep seeing these Chinese colonization tls but they always and up abandoned.
I know, it's very implausible, but a tl with an implausible pod can still be pretty good, lot's of fun scenarios can be explored with a chinese colony in the americas.
Would’ve made more sense if it was Australia instead of North America of all places.