I think that’s true to an extent, but assuming Germany doesn’t collapse beforehand, sooner or later the Entente will sue for peace, regardless of what the east looks like. I think it’s perfectly plausible that Germany holds out on the Western Front after winning on the Eastern Front and, be it through mutiny, war weariness, or something else, the Entente is pressured into sitting down at the negotiation table.
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Faeelin
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To be clear, my quibble is not that it's a Central Powers win, it's that it's a win that is far more successful than Germany expected before the Russian collapse on the Eastern Front. Just say you wanted a big CP win!
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What's going on in Mexico? Am I right in thinking that's an earlier Cristero War or is it something else entirely?
1) Leander Hallow Archpriory, dedicated to the titular Leander, and effectively the administrative centre for the entire district.
2) The Ecclesia of Stella Marise
3) The Ecclesia of the Pillar
4) The Great Market
5) Leander Hallow Town, a purpose-built town relatively recently built and associated with/governed by the Archpriory.
6) The main docks
7) The Alpheus Gate
8) The Pillar Gate
9) Lower Hallow, a somewhat improvised extramural extension of the town servicing the Lower Wharf
10) The Lycborough Gates
11) The Lower Wharf, effectively overspill from the original main docks, but also likelier to receive 'affordable' goods than its purpose built counterpart
12) Crookdone, a village predating Leander Hallow, now host to several inns/guest houses servicing travellers passing through the region
13) Elmsted, another older village, named for a grove of eponymous elm trees regularly coppiced for wood. The nearest reliable supply of wood to Leander Hallow proper.
14) Priory Grange, a compound and substantial area of arable land directly owned by the Archpriory and worked by paid labourers.
15) Castle Issely, a substantial keep and fortification on an islet predating Leander Hallow's refoundation, and ruled by a Castellan-in-Residence. One of the few parts of the district not subject to the Archpriory.
16) The assembly ground
17) The equestrian training ground
18) The barracks
19 Issley Without, a village attached to the maintenance of Castle Issely, and the eastern border of the district. A recent increase in traffic coming from the east is causing its slow but steady expansion.
20) South Thassock Wood
21) Amcaster Keep, an older fortification overlooking the bend in the river. Now forms a key part in Leander Hallow's riverine defenses, though in need of renovations.
22) The Nightingale Tower
23) The Barrow Tower, likely built on the site of an ancient tomb of some kind.
24) The Amcaster Gate
25) Amcaster, an old village on the site of a Classical era foundation, and on the crossroads of important ancient roads. Gaining in prosperity through the recent refoundation of Leander Hallow increasing traffic through the crossroads.
26) To New Stannet
27) Newgrant, a village built at the same time that Leander Hallow was refounded, with relatively equal farm plots for each household. Created through cutting down a chunk of Thassock Wood
28) Thassock Wood proper
29) To the Five Tithings
30) The Marisemere
31) Eastern fish pond
32) Western fish pond
33) The Twinmeres
34) Walwick, an old village once associated with Classical era activity, like Amcaster. Briefly the centre of its own district some centuries back, the village has had a long recovery from various sacks and raids in unstable eras.
35) To Forget-Me-Not Hill
36) To Algarham
37) The Osmer Woods
38) Leander Hallow vineyard
''…settled on the southwest end of the Via Triangula network, striding both the river Meanuoarorum and the Soluente bay , holding nearly six thousand citizens, it is the smallest of the hubs of the Triangula, its youngest, and yet of the most important in the entire province, second only to the capital.
The city's role - its purpose - is to serve as a bridge between Vectis and the mainland province, supplying the capital with goods, materials and -most importantly- mail and records, keeping the Governor informed and up to date, and supporting his duty to serve Rome. Its port is well specialized in transporting cargo to...''
For Scotty-Fresh's Roman CYOH. Which can be found here
FrankBoyoTheUnique
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The Empire of Algiers
In 1247, Ralph Bigod, the third son of High Bigod, led an invasion of North Africa. The descendant of Sir William Marshall would ravage Northern Africa, killing tribes and sacking cities. this invasion would last seven years, and many tribes who inhabited the area fled, and the land would be Norman.
Over the years the Bigod family would retain control of the Algiers, and Tunis until the modern day, being one of the few modern monarchies where most of the power remains with the King, with of course the democratic powers still on hand.
The Kingdom of Algiers would attempt to expand during the Scramble for Africa, but would find themselves unable to hang onto the land.
The Kingdom of Algiers currently have a population of 65.6 Million people with a GDP of 43,091.
In 1247, Ralph Bigod, the third son of High Bigod, led an invasion of North Africa. The descendant of Sir William Marshall would ravage Northern Africa, killing tribes and sacking cities. this invasion would last seven years, and many tribes who inhabited the area fled, and the land would be Norman.
Over the years the Bigod family would retain control of the Algiers, and Tunis until the modern day, being one of the few modern monarchies where most of the power remains with the King, with of course the democratic powers still on hand.
The Kingdom of Algiers would attempt to expand during the Scramble for Africa, but would find themselves unable to hang onto the land.
The Kingdom of Algiers currently have a population of 65.6 Million people with a GDP of 43,091.
FrankBoyoTheUnique
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Empire of Armenia
In the year 1413, The Armenians, led by an Italian knight named Alfonso De Olivtan, would revolt against their Arab masters. This kingdom, based out of the city of Yerevan, would dominate the Middle east for years, with Alfonso becoming King Khosrov V, who would become known as Khosrov the Conqueror.
This Kingdom would become a major trade hub, with many kingdoms forgoing the lengthy train though the Ottomans, which increased their prices after the Conquest of Constantinople. The Ottomans, losing their hold on trade, would attack Armenia several times, to no avail. Each time the Armenian Wall would stand true. It would also have an early renaisannce during the reign of Khosrov V, producing some of the greatest painters of all time, such as Tigranus, Grahad, and Sohaemus.
With the discovery of the America's, Armenia's economy would steadily decline, but would level out in the 1800's, with the economy becoming reliant on the Textiles and mining industries, of which it would continue to outproduce many other countries in.
Modern Armenia has a population of 104,489,235, with a GDP of 44,249. Most Armenians follow the Armenian Apostic Church, with the Orthodox and Catholic church being a minority. Some follow the Islamic faith, but they are mostly refugee's from the wars in it's southern neighbors. The Constitutional Monarchy still stands, with Artaxias VII as King.
King Khosrov V
An image of Khosrov V, painted by Tigranus
The Flag of Armenia
In the year 1413, The Armenians, led by an Italian knight named Alfonso De Olivtan, would revolt against their Arab masters. This kingdom, based out of the city of Yerevan, would dominate the Middle east for years, with Alfonso becoming King Khosrov V, who would become known as Khosrov the Conqueror.
This Kingdom would become a major trade hub, with many kingdoms forgoing the lengthy train though the Ottomans, which increased their prices after the Conquest of Constantinople. The Ottomans, losing their hold on trade, would attack Armenia several times, to no avail. Each time the Armenian Wall would stand true. It would also have an early renaisannce during the reign of Khosrov V, producing some of the greatest painters of all time, such as Tigranus, Grahad, and Sohaemus.
With the discovery of the America's, Armenia's economy would steadily decline, but would level out in the 1800's, with the economy becoming reliant on the Textiles and mining industries, of which it would continue to outproduce many other countries in.
Modern Armenia has a population of 104,489,235, with a GDP of 44,249. Most Armenians follow the Armenian Apostic Church, with the Orthodox and Catholic church being a minority. Some follow the Islamic faith, but they are mostly refugee's from the wars in it's southern neighbors. The Constitutional Monarchy still stands, with Artaxias VII as King.
King Khosrov V
An image of Khosrov V, painted by Tigranus
The Flag of Armenia
I'm sure that Khosrov V was the sort who could do things all day.
Time for reverse-Uno
After successfully defeating the Franks at Tours, the Moors from the base in Hispania take advantage of a succession crisis among the Frankish royalty to invade north, establishing a sultanate of Faranja (France).
Barbary pirates move from the Mediterranean to establish bases on the Atlantic in the new territories that are now friendly to Islam. They raid the rising germanic trading cities on the North Sea/Baltic sea. A particularly ambitious band seize the territory of Normandy. No longer able to rely on Frankish protection, the local peasants are wiped out and the lords flee across the channel. The new Barbary lords slowly repopulate the land by bringing colonists from north africa, giving the land the new name based on their Moorish heritage.
Moormandie
From a private Reverse Mapgame I'm playing with some friends, full size map for the above wikibox:
From a private Reverse Mapgame I'm playing with some friends. Same timeline as https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...r-political-figures-here.491184/post-22326194
Why would Germany be in Somalia? Are these Hessian mercenaries or something else?
It's a reverse map game, it could be taht Germany's existence is the result of a Somali colony.
A rough scenario I came up with way back when (note the date), mapped. It's sort of a toned-down (if still rather wanky) take on GURPS Ming-3. The Ming collapsed from dry rot sometime in the early 19th century, the American and Australian colonies went their own way, and Europeans had a bit of a breather. Britain, which allied with the Chinese vs the French and Spanish as the French allied with the Ottomans against the Habsburgs in the 1500s, had a bit rough of a time of it, but rallied. China was taken over by a new dynasty, but the distinctly autocratic "neo-legalist" regime [1] proved less capable than the rather anarchic Confederation of the Dawn Lands at keeping up with the European Joneses: although the Huang Empire managed to reestablish its authority over its peripheral lands, and drive the French out of India after they started poking around in SE Asia, they are a good deal poorer and less developed, and only maintain first-rank power status through bulk and an impressible ability to mobilize their population (with impressive brutality). The Dawn Lands have European standards of living, and a somewhat condescending attitude towards the Olde Sod, which of course infuritates the Huang emperors. In Europe, the alliance of Mitteleuropa stands against the alliance of the ruthless Russians and the scheming (pardon the lack of alliteration) French, who have not taken the losses of the last century and change - their north American empire, their dominance of the Italian states, their Indian empire - with much grace.
It's a more authoritarian, less equal world than our own, the success of Imperial China and (for a while) absolutist France having little competition from republican or parliamentary regimes (British parliamentarism survived, but 2005 Britain is distinctly elitist and authoritarian, with a sort of technocratic, dirigiste air without the arguable saving grace of OTL French republicanism.) It's also an often ruthlessly capitalist one, which combined with the general disdain for the Unwashed Classes has helped radicalize and energize a new *socialist movement which is beginning to shake the old power structures from India to Great Britain, where the local brand call themselves "Adamites" in memory of the peasant revolt [2]. Theoretical science is behind OTL, and technology is decades behind OTL, with computers still vast and bulky and full of vacuum tubes. Medicine and some branches of chemistry, due to early and fruitful European and Chinese cross-pollination, are something of an exception. Technique is however sophisticated, and the locals think big: they have rocket planes which have touched space, have actually made something practical with those flying wing designs, and all major powers have spiffy high-speed rail systems. Things have a bit of a Diesel-punk air. Industrial complexes are huge, cities massive and towering, and the pollution is pretty awful.
Atomic weapons are a new Thing, the special Thing every Power which is a Power wants one of their own. As yet people aren't quite clear on what they are or how they will be used: research onto the effects of radiation on living things is still pretty basic, and most think of them as "just" a big bomb. Such thinking may be rather painfully corrected not too far into the future.
[1] "Punishment is the source of virtue."
[2] "When Adam delved and Eve span, Who was then the gentleman?"
It's a more authoritarian, less equal world than our own, the success of Imperial China and (for a while) absolutist France having little competition from republican or parliamentary regimes (British parliamentarism survived, but 2005 Britain is distinctly elitist and authoritarian, with a sort of technocratic, dirigiste air without the arguable saving grace of OTL French republicanism.) It's also an often ruthlessly capitalist one, which combined with the general disdain for the Unwashed Classes has helped radicalize and energize a new *socialist movement which is beginning to shake the old power structures from India to Great Britain, where the local brand call themselves "Adamites" in memory of the peasant revolt [2]. Theoretical science is behind OTL, and technology is decades behind OTL, with computers still vast and bulky and full of vacuum tubes. Medicine and some branches of chemistry, due to early and fruitful European and Chinese cross-pollination, are something of an exception. Technique is however sophisticated, and the locals think big: they have rocket planes which have touched space, have actually made something practical with those flying wing designs, and all major powers have spiffy high-speed rail systems. Things have a bit of a Diesel-punk air. Industrial complexes are huge, cities massive and towering, and the pollution is pretty awful.
Atomic weapons are a new Thing, the special Thing every Power which is a Power wants one of their own. As yet people aren't quite clear on what they are or how they will be used: research onto the effects of radiation on living things is still pretty basic, and most think of them as "just" a big bomb. Such thinking may be rather painfully corrected not too far into the future.
[1] "Punishment is the source of virtue."
[2] "When Adam delved and Eve span, Who was then the gentleman?"
As a fan of medieval England, I appreciate any reference to the Peasant's Revolt. I'm also glad to see a large country in Southern Africa that is not the *Draka. An excellent map (even if I was initially a little skeptical of some of your sociological decisions for the world), and much more detailed than its predecessor.
How does that work? Is this a system like the German Empire?
My suspension of disbelief was intact until the pun
I am surprised England lost all of Wales but still apparently managed to keep Man under its sway. Probable outright annexation here? And should we assume Gibraltar is meant to be Spanish or do the British Royals have a rather sorry excuse for a rump state going?
I am surprised the Planters of the East allowed there to be so many new states. Are they all states or are there still any territories?
if you make a sequel I am hoping for a supporting or starring role by Wayne Salinski.
Is Belgian Luxembourg being given to a new duke, and if so from which German house? Or is it added or in a similar situation as Alsace-Lorraine, with Prussian Junkers running everything? I see that Spain is doing well for itself, having gotten Tangiers, Gibraltar, and Madeira, though given the last one still has the green outline of Portugal, maybe that was a mistake. Why are Navarre, the Basque Lands, and Catalonia shown with autonomy or special statuses? And I forget if I asked this on your previous map, or never got around to it, but why is Cyprus shown as being both Greek and Turkish? Turkey still hadn’t given up claims to the three massive islands Greece had directly off their coasts, and I can’t see them getting even special status in Cyprus unless they returned those. Ahh, and did any Ottoman Armenians manage to get to the Armenian state here, or is it just those from the Russian Empire? Why did the British not only return the colonies they and their dominions seized, but gave themmthe land of the dominions as well? I can’t see Cape Town happy with losing Walvis Bay or for the Boers with not getting land, which I suspect is why South Africa broke up here. And given that Papau was a colony set up by the Australians despite the British trying to veto it early on... Yah, I truly cannot see Australia somehow having given up people to fight in France and Turkey, only to lose their own territory. If not for perhaps economic interests, I can see Australia becoming a republic in any sequel to this map. Are the three special counties around Banat meant to give the Serbs in specific extra autonomy and language services or is it for the mixture of all the groups there? I cannot see the Austrians-Hungarians desiring to give them too much extra influence. As for Bulgaria... Hmmm, they have done well for themselves. Looks like they got even more land than the Central Powers offered them. I suppose Greece didn’t enter the war on the Entente side here, so Bulgaria had limited fronts and ended up as MVP.An extended version of this map:
"A narrow German Victory"
To add more details to the previous post:
As France requested an armistice, the rest of the Entente (Italy, UK and other minor allies) accepted to celebrate a conference to decide the end of the war, it was not a surrender but formal peace talks, that's why Italy and the UK didn't really lose much.
Still, the debilitation of the colonial powers favoured native revolts and uprisings.
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