I do suspect that their fate was less than pleasent; OP mentions that New Israel had a strained relationship with the Arab world, and the presence of Druze emigres, of all people, is not a good omen.
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Ah, someone that has an actually much better take on this scenario than me.
I actually didn't know that. Maybe i should start exploring the lore in more detail later.
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Point. A defeated Israel, with the survivors fleeing for wherever they can get to... I can see it.
Extermination, forced exile, and mistreatment. As other posters have mentioned, with the existence of New Israel, Muslims thought there wasn't any reason for Jews to stay in Palestine. In the modern day, there are practically no Jews left in Palestine, with most being forcefully sent into exile.
That could be an interesting TL, like a less melancholic and frigid version of Chabon's Yiddish Policeman's Union.
An Israel with no martial culture in response to constant existential threats, with far less socialist influence due to MAPAI's probable demise in whatever war caused a new exodus, haunted by Zionism's failure, and striving for a balance between the European population and the American Jewish influence pouring in through New Haifa investments. Could be good stuff.
Unfortunate.
Although that is a certain possibility, I think that is much more likely that in this timeline the British can keep a lid on things. With the Jews from a the newly defeated Nazi Europe going mostly directly to the New World there is unlikely to me a huge influx of Jews to Palestine. They therefore do not have the manpower to cause significant issues for the British or land issues for the Palestinians. I can see a timeline where the Jews in Palestine become a minority in a Arab ruled Palestine. In OTL there were large amounts of Jews all across the Arab world right into the 1960s so with no wars with Israel I can see the relations between Arabs and Jews in Palestine being peaceful.
Although lots of this would be butterflied, I think an Isreal outside of the Arab world would reduce Arab nationalism and therefore Arab fundamentalism. Without the Jew/Arab wars the Arab world does not have a enemy to unite against.
Would foreign nationals in these affected territories be part of the ISOT? Along with planes or ships in the region?
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Regions transported: Russia (Irkutsk, Buryatia), Mongolia (central and eastern provinces), China, Taiwan, Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, Indonesia (central provinces), Australia (Western Australia exc. Eucla and surroundings)
After a brief consideration of trying to explain away the Event, the CCP soon decided to embrace the opportunities it presented. Support for larger families was implemented to provide future new consumers to replace the lost export markets as well as a huge potential pool of settlers and labourers to staff the bureaucracies and build the infrastructure required for establishing new provinces across Asia. While the payoff of these expansive policies took some time to gather momentum, the PRC's expansion in one area was lighting fast. While many were still struggling to adapt the new situation, the PLA grabbed the element of surprise, launching a coordinated invasion force across the Taiwan Strait. Within days the Taiwan Special Administrative Region had been established and the Republic of China's leaders had either disappeared or fled south to the Philippines.
China's rapid and dramatic expansion was met with a mixture of concern and interest by their northern neighbours. While Ulaanbaatar soon found itself inexorably sucked into Beijing's orbit, Irkutsk saw the opportunity that Siberia's replenished natural resources and an increasingly resource-hungry China presented. Thus many Russian businessmen grew rich, while their government gained a level of leverage that allowed them to avoid failing under Chinese domination as their Mongolian neighbours had. Nevertheless, China's growing presence north of the Amur and in central Asia made practical expressions of independence increasingly difficult as all communications with nations to the south had to be routed through Chinese conduits.
Immediately to China's south, Manila was conflicted regarding its new Taiwanese guests. While many were sympathetic and had no desire to pander to the CCP, others saw them as a security risk and argued that by continuing to host the ROC-in-exile, the Philippines would put itself next on China's invasion list. Ultimately, the latter viewpoint won out, and focus turned towards the virgin islands to the east. Attitudes towards China were warmer in Singapore, home to the largest Chinese population outside China, and Malaysia, with the two nations becoming important destinations for Chinese goods and investment. Another recipient of Chinese yuan was the government of Indonesia, increasingly in need of funding for the construction of their new capital city in East Kalimantan. To many Indonesians, their government's focus on Kalimantan at, what they saw as, the expense of other islands, and the role of Chinese money in that development, created a sense of alienation and abandonment. Soon many provinces were only paying lip service to their subordination to the central government, while those in Sumatra stopped even the pretence of loyalty as they declared their independence from Indonesia.
While Sumatra was establishing itself apart from Indonesia, others made the individual decision to cross the Timor Sea in significant numbers such that Malays soon became the predominant ethnic group in northern Australia. Western Australia's government had been granting mining, farming and settlement concessions across the continent, creating an Outback boom fuelled by resource exports to China. Two other groups of settlers in Oceania were less well inclined to China though, with the ROC re-establishing itself in northern New Guinea after their expulsion from the Philippines, while New Britain was established by the remnants of Hong Kong's democracy movement and those who could use their legacy BNO passports to leave the PRC.
A good point. What I envisioned was that the Jewish world would be divided between those favoring New Israel and those favoring a return to the Holy Land. With the end of British Palestine, the Muslims take over the entire territory. However, the endemic population of Jews, led by Ben Gurion, would mount a resistance. The resistance would be crushed, the remaining Jews expelled and killed, and an extreme Zionist movement would emerge, condemning the outside world for not helping the movement and denouncing New Israel as a fake home created to leave Palestine for the Muslims. These extremist Jews would immigrate to New Israel during the fifties, polarizing politics and keeping relations very strained.
Yes, anybody in the affected regions including their airspace and territorial waters is ISOT'd.
Well then, this gives China a head start on becoming the next superpower.
Broken Under the Heel of Evil - 1960
Britain lies broken...
America, alone...
Siberia can’t even feed its people...
There is no China.
The main divergence is that the allies of OTL lacked their iconic leadership. Churchill in England, FDR in America, De Gaulle in France, Stalin in the USSR. These great men never rose to the top TTL, and those who did instead (not picking names for this project) couldn’t get the job done.
Many differences have already accumulated by 1939, but history follows a roughly parallel path and the war still starts over Poland in 1939.
America has elected a notorious isolationist who pledged under no circumstances (baring a direct attack) to become involved in the war in Europe. They still sell to the British of course, because money is money.
The first stages unfold much like OTL. France falls, Barbarossa begins. Then Italy has considerably better results in Africa from the get go.
The Winter War incurred even harsher punishment then OTL for Finland, and the Fins are mad. They don’t just want to take back what they lost, they’re out for blood.
With Italy not needing to be bailed out in Africa, Rommel is fighting on the eastern front instead of leading the Afrikakorps.
Romania hasn’t actually handed over Bessarabia yet TTL when Barbarossa begins, though they are in the process of being extorted.
These changes and others compound into considerably more success for Germany on the eastern front.
Leningrad is encircled during the first year of the operation, and falls the next. The Germans turn the area into a munitions testing zone, blowing up what’s left of the rubble ten times over. After the shooting war ended and the Fins complained about the explosions next to the border it was turned into a “nature reserve” that’s mostly just a military exclusion zone.
Japan has a plan: They will force the Americans out of the western pacific, then offer them reasonable peace terms before they gear up for total war. It works.
Seeing as the strategy depends on not pissing them Americans off too much, they don’t launch any surprise attacks. In stark contrast to their actions on the Asian mainland, the Japanese-American war is remembered as one fought with honour. Instead of fighting everyone at once, Japan slows their advance in China and leaves the European colonies alone for the time being. Preferring to fight one foe at a time. A collaborationist Dutch government is still selling them East Indies Oil.
In a short few months Japan drives the Americans out of the Philippines and Guam. Followed by the capture of the minor islands of the western Hawaiian archipelago. They don’t have the capacity to take the major islands of Hawaii, but the US doesn’t know that, and the speed of their advance to the point has been threatening.
Japanese and American delegates meet on Easter Island and are hosted by the Chilean president, who fancies himself a peacemaker. A peace is concluded with the following terms (among other provisions):
1. Both Japan and America acknowledge the independence of the Philippines
2. The island of Guam is ceded by America to Japan
3. Japan will withdraw as quickly as possible its forces from the islands of the Hawaiian archipelago
While technically independent, the Japanese completely ignore the agreement about withdrawing their forces from the Philippines. Which in practice becomes a Japanese puppet state. America has been allowed to resume some business with them at least, so they don’t make an issue about it.
Japan then occupies the colonies of the (themselves occupied) French and Dutch, and launches all out attacks against the Russians and British, along with a renewed campaign in China.
Back in Europe Britain really is all alone. The efforts of the Free French are much less successful. They manage to take the Pacific and most of Sub-Saharan Africa. But some colonies stay loyal to the metropole and are outright occupied, while others including (crucially) Algeria and Senegal hold out. With Italian success in Africa, and no hope of American involvement, little progress is made taking the fight back to the germans.
As the years pass the various governments in exile leave London and fold. Belgium and the Netherlands mostly accept their situation as permanent.
An unofficial understanding has been reached between the US and Germany that the Germans will not try to control any territory in the new world, and America doesn’t want to get involved in the war anyways.
The UK remains stubborn and defiant for years, but Sealion is considered impossible. This attitude among the German command results in less force being deployed in the blitz (and more planes to use in the East consequentially). By 1946 the British people are nearing their breaking point, the have been slowly starving as U boats sink their inadequately defended food ships to the bottom of the Atlantic, no offences have succeeded against the Axis for years. Then, at the same time the last two crushing defeats occur. India (which had gained a de facto independence earlier in the war (in military matters anyways) makes a separate peace with the Japanese. Ireland (with german weapons) captures northern Ireland.
Britain sues for peace, and has to give up most of what’s left of their empire. South Africa, an area relatively untouched by the war, turns their back on London and starts working with the Germans. As peace comes to the west the spoils are divided amongst the victors. With Spanish support Portugal is pressured into selling half their colonies.
In eastern Europe the advance is slow but consistent, in 1945 reaching the Ural mountains. No treaty was ever signed between Germany and the USSR, now the Russian Socialist Republic (commonly known as Siberia TTL). They simply stopped advancing. Russia by then was so broken they didn’t dare to counterattack, and beside forcing tens of millions of Russians and Ukrainians to flee eastward neither military has crossed them for over a decade.
To the south of Russia Turkestan has made peace and acknowledged german control west of the Ural river.
In East Asia, the Japanese victory is complete. China is dissolved into 20 protectorates, with the formerly great cities of the coast under direct colonial administration. Manchuria is expanded to include much of the Russian far east, while further north Sakha is a client state.
The south pacific was considered a distraction, so those islands are still in Australian and commonwealth hands. There is also a tiny remnant of free France in the South Pacific. Thailand, Burma, and Bengal are all Japanese allies. While India proper is a very pissed off neutral.
In the eastern mediterranean a “New Roman Empire” has risen. Italy brought down Egypt, then Greece, then Turkey. The three independent Arab states are their allies.
USA (sleeping giant), Germany (somewhat dysfunctional, underneath their mountains of military might), Japan, and Italy are the great powers of this world. All acquired the bomb sometime in the 50’s. there’s a bit of a German-Japanese Cold War developing.
Well, that's that. Ask me questions of you have them. I didn't want to get into the horrifying details and I know I could be better at my write ups but NAZI's are doing what you'd expect NAZI's to do in Eastern Europe. Like many of my projects, I started drawing it first and then thought "Now how could the world have gotten to this awful place". This is a project I'm glad to be done with.
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1815
1861-1865
1866-1867
1885-1887
1888-1890
Modern Day:
OTL American Territorial Changes:
-The states of Columbia (BC), Lincoln (ALB), North Marquette (SA), Hamilton (MTB), plus North and South Ontario.
-The state of Yukon, which is more populated than OTL (400,000), mostly due to Scandinavian immigrants and Native American migration.
-The states of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, which are similar to OTL.
-The state of Baja California.
-The state of Liberia.
-The states of Shanghai and Qingdao.
-Plus the states of Puerto Rico and D.C.
American Statistics:
Population: 385 Million (3rd)
Demograhics:
53% White
16% Black
14% Asian
10% Hispanic
7% Other
GDP Per Capita: $116,653 (1st)
GDP: 37.9 Trillion (1st)
Capital: Washington, D.C. (pop. 1.5 Million)
Government:
Republican Democracy.
President: Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (D-DE)
Vice President: Thomas L. Qiang (D-SH)
Senate: 130 Seats
House: 870 Seats
Poverty Rate: 1.8%
Homeless Rate: ~0%
Unemployment Rate: 0.9%
HDI INDEX: 9.978 (1st)
GINI Co-Efficient: 29.7 (Tied-41)
1815
1861-1865
1866-1867
1885-1887
1888-1890
Modern Day:
OTL American Territorial Changes:
-The states of Columbia (BC), Lincoln (ALB), North Marquette (SA), Hamilton (MTB), plus North and South Ontario.
-The state of Yukon, which is more populated than OTL (400,000), mostly due to Scandinavian immigrants and Native American migration.
-The states of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, which are similar to OTL.
-The state of Baja California.
-The state of Liberia.
-The states of Shanghai and Qingdao.
-Plus the states of Puerto Rico and D.C.
American Statistics:
Population: 385 Million (3rd)
Demograhics:
53% White
16% Black
14% Asian
10% Hispanic
7% Other
GDP Per Capita: $116,653 (1st)
GDP: 37.9 Trillion (1st)
Capital: Washington, D.C. (pop. 1.5 Million)
Government:
Republican Democracy.
President: Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (D-DE)
Vice President: Thomas L. Qiang (D-SH)
Senate: 130 Seats
House: 870 Seats
Poverty Rate: 1.8%
Homeless Rate: ~0%
Unemployment Rate: 0.9%
HDI INDEX: 9.978 (1st)
GINI Co-Efficient: 29.7 (Tied-41)
Map question for y'all.
Does anyone know that name of this big peninsula in the Russian far east I've highlighted in red? Does it even have a name?
Google and Wikipedia only told me what I already know, which is that the sub-peninsula in the southeast of what's highlighted is the Kamchatka peninsula.
Does anyone know that name of this big peninsula in the Russian far east I've highlighted in red? Does it even have a name?
Google and Wikipedia only told me what I already know, which is that the sub-peninsula in the southeast of what's highlighted is the Kamchatka peninsula.
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Chukotka, at least geographically, only covers the very small peninsula at the upper east corner of Russia.
The entire area is just...northeastern Siberia.
It does not have a name in widespread usage, but "Verkhoyansk-Chukotka" should suffice otherwise.
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