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Russians having Istanbul...
GREAT GAME ENGAGE.
I am surprise Russia is still a Empire. Nicky was as stubborn as Charles I of England: He find a way to screw himself, and the Russian Monarchy. The Socialists and Liberals will take action. He has many enemies and few friends at this point.
But I like it.
What is up with the Austrian Reich and Italy?
But here's a few.
Outcome of Nuova Italia.
Migrant Crisis 100 years earlier.
Ming Empire 1937.
Frederick's Nightmare.
Rise of the New Roman Empire.
Weimar and Österreich.
Russian America.
Loyalty in America.
Vive L'Empire - An Alternate History.
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Expanding the Armenian SSR into Turkish territory was an oversight of mine now that I think of it but the Kurdish Republic is actually based off of a real Kurdish republic in 1946, the Republic of Mahabad. In this timeline the Soviets refused to withdrawal from the region. In hindsight actually I should have made more of the region around Tabriz be annexed into the Azeri SSR and continued Mahabad to the bits around Lake Van though.
Cyprus, due to its potential as a military base for striking the Suez and the Mediterranean at large, is still under Soviet occupation.
North Korea at this time is still under the Soviet Civil Authority headed by General Terentii Shtykov. With an active conflict against the West (and Japan) going on, Stalin deemed occupation on the peninsula to be important enough to continue.
In the chaos of the collapse of the Western armies in France, the Channel
Islands did indeed manage to fall into Soviet hands, I’m sure the Brits are absolutely fuming!
I've started working on a Tomorrow Country world map which will hopefully make the setting 20 times more understandable to people who live outside Western Canada. Today I managed to knock off East Asia:
I’ve been trying forever to make a map like this with the geographic overlays, but I can never quite figure out how. What program did you use to make this? It’s quite good!
More importantly I suppose: where’d you get that basemap?
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PoD: Entire Yugoslav Partisan command is obliterated in an attack (basically Tito dies) - Butterflies ensure that the war lasts to early 1946.
The war in Yugoslavia becomes much more messy, the Red Army props up a now rump communist party, but with a twist - unlike OTL, most of the leadership now consists of Serbs. Instead of the 6-republic division, the new state is divided into 18 federal states with little regard for ethnics, similar to the previous division.
After the end of the war, which was even more terrific, the relocations start. This has Stalin's approval and is modeled after his deportations of the Volga Germans, but weirdly enough, always into Serbian majority areas. With never more than 1 family resettled into the same town. The western allies start to question these methods, suspecting nefarious intentions. Just like the expulsion of the Germans from Eastern Europe, they found themselves unable to justify the criticism of the mistreatment of the peoples they were demonizing just prior.
Serbs aren't spared the relocations either - deliberately being sent into distant lands, but always at least 5 families into one settlement. Few noticed this. Then Cyrillic became the sole official script, which was presented as a move to show closeness to "our Bulgarian and Soviet friends". The Soviets instituted Cyrillic in Romania almost immediately after the war.
The line of thinking of the communist party was as follows - there are too many nations in a small area. If the state is to survive, they must be coagulated. Knowing that creating a Yugoslav identity would not manage to do the job in time, they elected instead to just pressure everyone into assimilating into the plurality of the country - Serbians. The new states are drawn up to always include at least one Serbian minority area. The entire state then would with no exception be presented never as a Serbian one, to lull the populace to feel like they're in charge. In reality, the top echelons of the local government were with no exception almost completely Serbian. All the state capitals always are in nonserb cities if they can be.
The communists found themselves pretty unpopular - solution? Decision to stop the oppression of religion, which affected the Serbian Orthodox Church disproportionately. Vatican was seething even before this, but now is basically having an aneurysm, USSR screamed revisionism. Yugoslav-Soviet split. So the Yugos invite western troops. USSR stands down. Chetniks, which were never undefeated in full and were becoming increasingly popular (and the central authority turned a blind eye to them) are placated and satisfied. The innumerable settlers are pretty much forced to convert at this point - internal movement was restricted to everyone, and now nobody wanted to be in a mixed-religion marriage.
Propaganda machine starts working, working on making Catholic Herzegovinians and Dalmatians feel guilty and judged by their ancestors for not undoing the mistake of their grandfathers of conversion (these recent conversions are a eternal meme here, Serbs make fun of Croats in Dalmatia and Herzegovina that they don't dare go into their attics because grandpa's icon is there which makes them feel bad). Similar things are undertaken in Bosnia. It has a moderate degree of success.
Enter 1959. Angered by the now blatant discrimination, Croats, Bosniaks and Slovenes start an uprising. Big mistake - state security puts neonazi agitators in the crowds, entire movement branded as "new ustaše", which makes everyone extremely angry. The rebellion is subdued with extreme violence. Yugoslavia placed under sanctions. In 1968 after the crushing of the rebellion and starting an even bigger wave of population movements, the government officially declares Yugoslavia defunct, and changes the name to the Socialist Republic of Serbia. Western powers threaten invasion - so the government allows Soviets to place their nuclear missiles in Yugoslavia. With the Caribbean nuclear crisis (happens as OTL) still fresh in memory, the west backs down. Serbia becomes further isolated, not very willing to cooperate with the USSR (which is starting to undergo similar changes to Serbia - a lot of Russification is going on even more than OTL). Government shifts economy to an autarkic system. It goes with a few hiccups.
Nothing of relevance happens all the way to 1978. In 1978 the plan is declared a success, and the federal units abolished completely.
In 1984. USSR starts seeing upheaval over the bad state of the economy. Reforms are being prepared. Similar thing starts happening in China.
In 1985. the economies of all communist countries start going into severe recession due to inability to compete with the Western one. Both the USSR (changing the name to Russia, much to Baltic chagrin), and China turn more liberal, almost identically to China OTL.
In 1986. tired of the decades of isolation, Serbian citizens launch protests to do something about the neverending sanctions. Referendum on reinstating the monarchy is held informally by the Chetniks. The proposal wins. Despite being very informal and not up to standard, the government declares that the will of the people has spoken - King Petar II returns to Serbia. Sanctions are lifted, as the west can't do anything anymore, and their demands from 1967, which called for the immediate return of all families to their homelands carries no more weight - the assimilation is almost total.
States, with census data from 1977:
1. Croatia, capital Zagreb. Croat plurality in 1977. More and more call themselves Croat as mere regional variant of Serb., Called "New Croats" by the actual Croats.
2. Istria, capital Reka. Croat plurality in 1977. Slovenes assimilated into Croats at this point.
3. Pannonia, capital Osek. Serb majority 1977.
4. North Serbia, capital Belgrade, which is the national capital. Serbian majority in 1977.
5. Krajina, capital Gradiška. Serb majority 1977
6. Lika, capital Cazin. Serb plurality 1977.
7. Srem, capital Vukovar. Serb majority 1977.
8. Bosnia, capital Vrhbosna (Sarajevo). Serb plurality 1977.
9. Braničevo, capital Petrovac
10. Podrinje, capital Srebrenica. Serb majority 1977.
11. North Dalmatia, capital Split. Serb plurality 1977.
13. Raška, capital Ras (Novi Pazar). Serb majority 1977.
12. Golija, capital Hoča (Foča). Serb majority 1977.
14. South Dalmatia, capital Dubrovnik. Serb plurality 1977.
13. Raška, capital Ras (Novi Pazar). Serb majority 1977.
15. East Serbia, capital Niš. Serb majority 1977.
16. Metohija, capital Peć. Albanian plurality 1977.
17. Old Serbia, capital Skoplje. Serbian majority 1977.
18. Pelagonia, capital Bitolj. Serbian majority 1977.
However, by 2000, if they still existed, every state would have a Serbian majority. Serbia, along with Poland has one of the quickest growing economies in 2016, and is a part of the Mediterranean Union. Militarily neutral, Austria and Hungary are NATO members, neutral meeting ground between the European Union and the now increasingly powerful and maybe even more prosperous Eurasian Union, nicknamed "2nd Switzerland".
The war in Yugoslavia becomes much more messy, the Red Army props up a now rump communist party, but with a twist - unlike OTL, most of the leadership now consists of Serbs. Instead of the 6-republic division, the new state is divided into 18 federal states with little regard for ethnics, similar to the previous division.
After the end of the war, which was even more terrific, the relocations start. This has Stalin's approval and is modeled after his deportations of the Volga Germans, but weirdly enough, always into Serbian majority areas. With never more than 1 family resettled into the same town. The western allies start to question these methods, suspecting nefarious intentions. Just like the expulsion of the Germans from Eastern Europe, they found themselves unable to justify the criticism of the mistreatment of the peoples they were demonizing just prior.
Serbs aren't spared the relocations either - deliberately being sent into distant lands, but always at least 5 families into one settlement. Few noticed this. Then Cyrillic became the sole official script, which was presented as a move to show closeness to "our Bulgarian and Soviet friends". The Soviets instituted Cyrillic in Romania almost immediately after the war.
The line of thinking of the communist party was as follows - there are too many nations in a small area. If the state is to survive, they must be coagulated. Knowing that creating a Yugoslav identity would not manage to do the job in time, they elected instead to just pressure everyone into assimilating into the plurality of the country - Serbians. The new states are drawn up to always include at least one Serbian minority area. The entire state then would with no exception be presented never as a Serbian one, to lull the populace to feel like they're in charge. In reality, the top echelons of the local government were with no exception almost completely Serbian. All the state capitals always are in nonserb cities if they can be.
The communists found themselves pretty unpopular - solution? Decision to stop the oppression of religion, which affected the Serbian Orthodox Church disproportionately. Vatican was seething even before this, but now is basically having an aneurysm, USSR screamed revisionism. Yugoslav-Soviet split. So the Yugos invite western troops. USSR stands down. Chetniks, which were never undefeated in full and were becoming increasingly popular (and the central authority turned a blind eye to them) are placated and satisfied. The innumerable settlers are pretty much forced to convert at this point - internal movement was restricted to everyone, and now nobody wanted to be in a mixed-religion marriage.
Propaganda machine starts working, working on making Catholic Herzegovinians and Dalmatians feel guilty and judged by their ancestors for not undoing the mistake of their grandfathers of conversion (these recent conversions are a eternal meme here, Serbs make fun of Croats in Dalmatia and Herzegovina that they don't dare go into their attics because grandpa's icon is there which makes them feel bad). Similar things are undertaken in Bosnia. It has a moderate degree of success.
Enter 1959. Angered by the now blatant discrimination, Croats, Bosniaks and Slovenes start an uprising. Big mistake - state security puts neonazi agitators in the crowds, entire movement branded as "new ustaše", which makes everyone extremely angry. The rebellion is subdued with extreme violence. Yugoslavia placed under sanctions. In 1968 after the crushing of the rebellion and starting an even bigger wave of population movements, the government officially declares Yugoslavia defunct, and changes the name to the Socialist Republic of Serbia. Western powers threaten invasion - so the government allows Soviets to place their nuclear missiles in Yugoslavia. With the Caribbean nuclear crisis (happens as OTL) still fresh in memory, the west backs down. Serbia becomes further isolated, not very willing to cooperate with the USSR (which is starting to undergo similar changes to Serbia - a lot of Russification is going on even more than OTL). Government shifts economy to an autarkic system. It goes with a few hiccups.
Nothing of relevance happens all the way to 1978. In 1978 the plan is declared a success, and the federal units abolished completely.
In 1984. USSR starts seeing upheaval over the bad state of the economy. Reforms are being prepared. Similar thing starts happening in China.
In 1985. the economies of all communist countries start going into severe recession due to inability to compete with the Western one. Both the USSR (changing the name to Russia, much to Baltic chagrin), and China turn more liberal, almost identically to China OTL.
In 1986. tired of the decades of isolation, Serbian citizens launch protests to do something about the neverending sanctions. Referendum on reinstating the monarchy is held informally by the Chetniks. The proposal wins. Despite being very informal and not up to standard, the government declares that the will of the people has spoken - King Petar II returns to Serbia. Sanctions are lifted, as the west can't do anything anymore, and their demands from 1967, which called for the immediate return of all families to their homelands carries no more weight - the assimilation is almost total.
States, with census data from 1977:
1. Croatia, capital Zagreb. Croat plurality in 1977. More and more call themselves Croat as mere regional variant of Serb., Called "New Croats" by the actual Croats.
2. Istria, capital Reka. Croat plurality in 1977. Slovenes assimilated into Croats at this point.
3. Pannonia, capital Osek. Serb majority 1977.
4. North Serbia, capital Belgrade, which is the national capital. Serbian majority in 1977.
5. Krajina, capital Gradiška. Serb majority 1977
6. Lika, capital Cazin. Serb plurality 1977.
7. Srem, capital Vukovar. Serb majority 1977.
8. Bosnia, capital Vrhbosna (Sarajevo). Serb plurality 1977.
9. Braničevo, capital Petrovac
10. Podrinje, capital Srebrenica. Serb majority 1977.
11. North Dalmatia, capital Split. Serb plurality 1977.
13. Raška, capital Ras (Novi Pazar). Serb majority 1977.
12. Golija, capital Hoča (Foča). Serb majority 1977.
14. South Dalmatia, capital Dubrovnik. Serb plurality 1977.
13. Raška, capital Ras (Novi Pazar). Serb majority 1977.
15. East Serbia, capital Niš. Serb majority 1977.
16. Metohija, capital Peć. Albanian plurality 1977.
17. Old Serbia, capital Skoplje. Serbian majority 1977.
18. Pelagonia, capital Bitolj. Serbian majority 1977.
However, by 2000, if they still existed, every state would have a Serbian majority. Serbia, along with Poland has one of the quickest growing economies in 2016, and is a part of the Mediterranean Union. Militarily neutral, Austria and Hungary are NATO members, neutral meeting ground between the European Union and the now increasingly powerful and maybe even more prosperous Eurasian Union, nicknamed "2nd Switzerland".
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Yes, for the Turkish state you may have at first misunderstood the map, as the one on the page shows two countries the Soviets were supporting. I imagine there would have been border changes of course, as things were all rather confusing around there. Heck, I think at one point the Soviets tried having an ASSR or something for Kurds in the area between Armenia and the Nagarno area. There is a reasonable sized Kurdish population there, though I think the Soviets deported loads of them decades back.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Mahabad#/media/File:Republic_of_mahabad_and_iranian_azerbaijan_1945_1946.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistansky_Uyezd
His notifications are likely usually flooded by the dozens of comments and likes for his maps. Easy for him to miss things.
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Can anybody tell me, what is this font? I see it on almost every map I found...
Can anybody tell me, what is this font? I see it on almost every map I found...
I just wish they increased the font size. I'm straining my eyes trying to read it.
Can anybody tell me, what is this font? I see it on almost every map I found...
I don't think I seen this map before, or if I have, not in a long while. (And while's the other half?)
Based off my Civilization VI game
The Greek Empire, while covering a large portion of Europe, isn't the largest Empire in the world, let alone the continent. However, as this is not about Greece's neighbors, we shall not talk about them. Greece is divided between three major cities. Athens, Corinth, and Sparta.
Athens is the capital. This is where most of the military and government is. Corinth is the economic and scientific capital of the nation. Sparta is the new frontier, it is more of a jack-of-all trades than anything else. Sparta is also the only Greek city to fall under siege. During the Norwegian-Greek War, Sparta was attacked since it was founding. The city almost fell during this time. This has given the Spartan Greeks less time than the other major cities in the Empire to grown. The city-state of Carthage is also within Greece's Zone of Influence.
A large portion of the world follows the Greek religion of Zoroastrianism.
After the discovery of the American Continents, Athens has sent a small boat of settlers to settle on the new continent and bring Zoroastrianism to those Shinto believing Americans.
The Greek Empire, while covering a large portion of Europe, isn't the largest Empire in the world, let alone the continent. However, as this is not about Greece's neighbors, we shall not talk about them. Greece is divided between three major cities. Athens, Corinth, and Sparta.
Athens is the capital. This is where most of the military and government is. Corinth is the economic and scientific capital of the nation. Sparta is the new frontier, it is more of a jack-of-all trades than anything else. Sparta is also the only Greek city to fall under siege. During the Norwegian-Greek War, Sparta was attacked since it was founding. The city almost fell during this time. This has given the Spartan Greeks less time than the other major cities in the Empire to grown. The city-state of Carthage is also within Greece's Zone of Influence.
A large portion of the world follows the Greek religion of Zoroastrianism.
After the discovery of the American Continents, Athens has sent a small boat of settlers to settle on the new continent and bring Zoroastrianism to those Shinto believing Americans.
A map of the HOI4 Mod Fredrick's Nightmare.
Link Here -----> https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1324155103
Also, another map with the Pax Britannica mod for Hoi4. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1157380668
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