We don't tend to 'screech'. Also, I am more concerned with Spain being the only one with relations with the U.K., despite barely having a coast.
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No one really knows what killed Napoleon, but I was going to have him have Ill health throughout the 30s.Napoleon died because of cancer or some other illness, I think, so he wouldn´t live much longer even if he stay on throne. I really do not think he would stay alive so longer...
Iberian union is ok, I would say (or at least I think that after french invasion Portugal was to be united with Spain under Joseph...) Dissolution of Prussia is ok too, unification of Italy as well, even if I am little bit skeptical that Nappy would give up Rome, the same goes for north Tirol (on the other hand I heard that some rebels there want to secede from Bavaria and return under Habsburg rule OR to unite with kingdom of Italy). Aaand really like independent (ehem) Holland, french Netherland AND northern Germany seems like really bad idea to me and it looks so un-estetical
But duchy of Silesia do not make sense to me - either give it to Habsburgs or to Poland or to "Germany". Which leads to another problem: united Germany. Some sort of (con)federation, union, alliance, whatever, that make sense, but united state (kingdom)? That would became serious rival to french hegemony over Europe, not to mention several monarchs which were Nappys loyal (um, sometime) allies, some of them even relatives (Jerome of Westphalia, N. youngest brother, N. step-son Eugene, some members of B. family have German princess as wifes...) and probably non of them would be keen to lose his sovereignty (even if more theoretical than factual)
Romania looks weird (but it isn t bad idea, in my opinion), the same can be said about Ukraine - I am not sure how that could even work, ouldn´t be more realistic Crimean khanate, as turkish vassal? With some western parts given to Poland...
Yeah Germany may need to be changed. Silesia primarily purpose was as a buffer state, but isn't necessary I suppose. I didn't want to strengthen Austria. The best bet is to give it to Poland if it isn't independent.
Ukraine is weird. It is a Ottoman vassal essentially. Napoleon's goal in this timeline was to strip Russia of it's important Western provinces essentially neutering them and then forcing them into the continental system. The first part of this worked. Russia is weak and no longer a threat. But the second part failed as Russia has continually tried to regain land, power and prestige and never fully submitted to French hegemony. Also maintaining an army larger than what the restrictions impossed on them were. Ukraine was stripped from Russia in the peace of 1817 and was occupied before that. Northern parts of Ukraine and Georgia were recaptured by Russia in a later war, but they were defeated campaigning in Poland. Russia managed to hold onto the lands they captured in the peace deal in exchange for other concessions.
Prussia was destroyed as an entity in 1817. When the last coalition was defeated. Pomerania was given to Sweden, Holstein to Denmark, and most of the rest to the newly formed Polish Commonwealth.
It was just a first draft of the idea. I was trying to split it so that no one region would be a threat to Napoleon on its own. I will admit I'm not fully happy with how it looks.
I may just leave the Iberian Union how I had it before. Not sure.
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Part of Iberian Union with Napoleon as Emperor
Republic of Galicia
Republic of Lusitania
Kingdom of Leon
Republic of Asturias
Kingdom of Castile
Republic of Andalucía * Controls Canaries Islands
Republic of Murcia
Kingdom of Catalonia* claims Balearic Islands
Basque Republic
Kingdom of Aragon
Kingdom of Algarve
Note most of these countries would have local Duke or other local leader siding with French side and taking over their respective country.
Following territories are either neutral or under protection of Britain
Azores and Madeira islands part of Kingdom of Portugal and Brazil
Kingdom of Two Sicily's
Balearic islands (British protectorate)
Malta (British protectorate)
Egypt (British protectorate)
By 1814 when war ends the BN still is king of the seas. Peace treaty leaves it controlling the seas.
Takes French and allies till 1830 to build up a navy strong enough to challenge the British and allies but the quality of seamanship not same
Note: With Batavia Republic under French control, the VOC territory comes under British control. With all Dutch colonies falling under British or Allied control.
Here is a slightly updated map.
1.) I really like the guy above me ideas so expect Spain to change a lot. Though I think this version is much improved over the last one already
2.) I am in the middle of partitioning Germany up. The big brown blob wont stay but im not exactly sure what I should do with it.
3.) Other than that I don't really like the borders of Ukraine.
I may switch over to WBAM because the base map I am working with is only Europe and I may want to expand elsewhere.
Colonial french presence right now:
Purchases Tunis and Algeria as Ottomans struggle to pay back loans from war with Russians
Gold coast ports
Some presence in the Indies though Britain has taken much of the Batavian holdings.
Madagascar
Portuguese African holdings (nominally part of iberian union)
As for other colonial powers:
United States takes Spanish Caribbean islands
Perhaps US presence in Africa.
GB primary power
Sweden: Has several African and Asian ports
Holland: Holds onto Caribbean holdings
Italy: Nothing yet but perhaps in future
Ottoman Empire: Slightly more presence in East Africa than otl.
1.) I really like the guy above me ideas so expect Spain to change a lot. Though I think this version is much improved over the last one already
2.) I am in the middle of partitioning Germany up. The big brown blob wont stay but im not exactly sure what I should do with it.
3.) Other than that I don't really like the borders of Ukraine.
I may switch over to WBAM because the base map I am working with is only Europe and I may want to expand elsewhere.
Colonial french presence right now:
Purchases Tunis and Algeria as Ottomans struggle to pay back loans from war with Russians
Gold coast ports
Some presence in the Indies though Britain has taken much of the Batavian holdings.
Madagascar
Portuguese African holdings (nominally part of iberian union)
As for other colonial powers:
United States takes Spanish Caribbean islands
Perhaps US presence in Africa.
GB primary power
Sweden: Has several African and Asian ports
Holland: Holds onto Caribbean holdings
Italy: Nothing yet but perhaps in future
Ottoman Empire: Slightly more presence in East Africa than otl.
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Yeah, no worries, we'd just seen that discussion the last 2-3 pages someplace.
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Ok Italy was I believe two separate countries and I would expect them to stay split. Remember Napoleon not wAnt strong countries around him he wAnt a bunch of smaller countries that cannot challenge France.
Secondly Iberian Union is just that on the Iberian peninsula. All Portuguese possessions belong to kingdom of Portugal and Brazil which had capital in Rio de Janeiro.
As for the Iberian Union it would of also lost all its American colonies with the help of Britain.
Lastly France would wAnt it’s own colonies back and have to negotiate peace treaty to receive them back. Research the colonies in Africa, Carribean and India. Do not know if Britain return Pondicherry.
Remember while France control Europe it is no way possible to challenge British navy till 1830 and that would involve huge expense on France and its allies.
Ah, yes, because making fun of kids with neurodevelopmental disorders is so funny.
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As a parent of Austistic child I find any derogatory comments like this completely offensive and unacceptable. Maybe you meant that you screem like a monkey. Oh sorry I not wAnt to offend the monkey. Don’t ever do this again.
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Certainly a unique way of portraying the Free Cities!
Though I think those city states in the Bone Mountains are a bit far East, however it's been ages since I looked at a map of Essos.
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It may be possible, I drew them by making an overlay of the map of The World of Ice and Fire and using the locations that are in it. The size reduction may have caused a distortion and that difference.
1. Italy is ruled by the Bonaparte family and was allowed to be strong as a stopgap against the Austrians.
2. I would imagine the royal family would be getting less popular in Brazil at this point. Any army they brought with them would be too old to fight, so they would be reliant on colonial armies.
3. Iberian union never really had control of the islands, the caribbean holdings were taking by America (no British involvement, British and US relations are very bad in this timeline.) A slightly more focused Britain after the end of the Peninsular war in the war of 1812 left a bitter taste in the Americans mouth (outcome mostly the same, just bloodier on both sides)
4. France regained some of the colonies. After the end of the last coalition Britain was in position to fight. SO while they negotiated from a position of strength, the French knew that there would likely be open rebellion in Britain if the wars continued, as they were almost bankrupt by that point. So France managed to get a better peace deal than they should have.
5. Just a rough estimate but I believe that in 1840 the Continental Alliance navy is roughly equal in size to that of the British. Swedish navy is 2x as strong as our timeline. French 2.5x. Dutch roughly the same. Italy roughly 1.5 times. Ottomans roughly the same size but more modern. Polish navy...exists. Iberian shipbuilding capacity is primarily being used to supply the French navy. Iberian Union has a very small navy and each region has its own standing military force for self defense.
also to avoid cluttering up I will include my update on Germany here? Thoughts
Germany is organized into the Confederation of Independent Germanic States.
Kingdom of Wurtemberg, German Republic (light pink),Kingdom of Saxony, DUchy Silesia, Bavaria, Kingdom of Westphalia, Duchy of Berg, Duchy of the Rhine, Duchy of Wurzburg
The confederation is led by Bavaria
As time goes on Silesia and Saxony are growing distant from Paris and ties are growing with Austria.
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Except that the kingdom of Portugal and Brazil navy was the 4th largest in the world in 1800. IOTL.
Regarding Portuguese king in Rio, they were very popular and people there be very happy with industry flourishing while number of Portuguese fleeing Iberian peninsula increased since end of war.
How I imagine the world of Henry Turtledoves Atlantis looks like
Newfoundland and the northern Caribbeans changes in location are due to them being pushed in those directions from the east coast moving east.
The great plains flooded for obvious reasons
other geographical changes I'm not entirely sure about, nor am I good at altering the shapes of landmasses that well.
As for the lack of less water in the rest of the world, I say, because as far as I remember we have no reason to think the geography of the rest of the world was affected by such a large movement of land.
Newfoundland and the northern Caribbeans changes in location are due to them being pushed in those directions from the east coast moving east.
The great plains flooded for obvious reasons
other geographical changes I'm not entirely sure about, nor am I good at altering the shapes of landmasses that well.
As for the lack of less water in the rest of the world, I say, because as far as I remember we have no reason to think the geography of the rest of the world was affected by such a large movement of land.
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