Map Thread XIII
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A Short, Great War
Here's a map for the year 1920 from a scenario that's been cooking in my head for a while now; a quick Entente victory in World War One. I'm unsure on the specifics (hell, it might not even be that realistic), but in general the POD's surrounding this timeline is that;
1. The French stick to Plan XV and ensure that the Germans don't penetrate as hard, or as fast, into Belgium and Northern France as they done in OTL, successfully managing to counter-attack into Alsace-Lorraine in October;
2. And the Russians aren't as bumbling or inept as they were with regards to their 'military structure' as they were in OTL; ensuring that they mobilize (more) successfully than OTL and actually push into Eastern Prussia and Galicia following two miserable Austro-German attempts to beat them back into Poland.
In the end, I imagine this version of the 'Great War' ending sometime around late-November 1914 after the Franco-British forces reach the Rhine and the Russians take Königsberg, Danzig, and Posen. In the ensuring chaos that engulfs Central Europe in the aftermath of this 'splendid little war', Austria-Hungary collapse in on itself as nationalistic tensions boil over as Hungarians, Yugoslavs, Czechs, Croats, ect., begin openly fighting amongst themselves as the former empire crumbles under its own weight (the emperor forced to flee amidst the chaos), all whilst Germany is forced to endure a brief republican/socialist uprising that sees the Kingdom of Bavaria break-away from Wilhelm's imperial 'federation'.
In the ensuring peace treaties with the Entente, Germany is forced to hand over all her overseas colonies to Britain and France (which also receives Alsace-Lorraine), as well as a number of it's East Prussian territories to Russia, all whilst the fast-crumbling Austria-Hungary is forcibly divided into Austrian, Czech/Slovak, and Hungarian nations (Serbia is handed over most of it's OTL gains in Yugoslavia). Russia, in return for its hard work against the Austrians, receives the entirety of Galicia-Lodomeria.
Now, a few butterflies that can be noticed from the map itself is the current state of 'anarchy' that is occurring in Mexico, Albania, the Ottoman Empire, and China;
Firstly, the revolution hasn't been kind to Mexico; primarily due to foreign patronage of the various factions; Americans (who are primarily to blame for its current state) and the Europeans playing groups such as the Felicistas, Convencionistas, and Federales (Carrancistas) off against each other as they all attempt to vie for power. Amidst all of this chaos, Felix Diaz has successfully managed to worm his way into power in 1919 with the support of President Charles Evans Hughes (who succeeded President Elihu Root in 1918), however the reformist factions in Mexico aren't taken kindly to the son-of-the-man they had originally risen up against; and as a result they have plunged their nation into an all-out, two-side, civil war.
In Albania, foreign influence and intervention has been turned up to eleven as Italy, Yugoslavia, Montenegro, and Greece, have moved in and occupied what was basically a failed state. Beginning in 1917 after the assassination of Prince William following his not-so triumphant return, this 'alliance of four' has had to fight off against Albanian nationalists and Islamists in an attempt to fulfil their own nationalistic goals that (they hoped) would result in Albania begin torn and annexed between them all (something the great powers aren't to fond of). The only thing stopping them in 1920 is a pesky nationalist revolt being led by a number of militarily able, pluralistic Albanians, and the enmity between the nations (such as Serbia and Italy) regarding how to divide the spoils.
The Ottoman empire is an interesting case; following a brief period in late 1914 that saw tensions rise between it and its Greek neighbour (both nations having successfully managed to steer clear of the world-wide-war), 1915 proved to be relatively peaceful all things considered (and there was a lot to consider for the Turks). The pressures of internal nationalism began to die down as it seemed the new government might have been on the right track to ensuring the stability of their nation...and then the Third Balkan War happened. Prompted by rising tide of Turkish nationalism in early-1916 within the state legislature, the Ottomans attempted to jostle its Bulgarian neighbour in an attempt to have it 'reconsider' borders lost to it over previous years, however, after Greece unexpectedly entered in on the side of their former enemy from the Second Balkan War, tensions rose until they exploded in yet another regional war between the three nations; the Greco-Bulgarian alliance later joined by Russia (a move that cost it significant diplomatic support from Britain who was fearful of Russian encroachment in the Middle East).
Together, these three states marched into the 'sick man of Europe' and successfully toppled it over again within five months in late-1916, the Turks being forced to give up land along its west Anatolian coast to Greece, parts of Thrace to Bulgaria, and the remaining Ottoman Caucus territories to Russia. Amid capitulation, Turkish, Arab, Assyrian, Armenian, and Kurdish nationalism has flared up across the empire and in 1920, the remainder of the once great Ottoman state is failing apart at a rapid pace as foreign nations are becoming more and more concerned with the seemingly imminent collapse of this Turkish empire, with some (the British especially) not-so-much supporting the new Sultan in Constantinople (a reformer once known as Crown Prince Yusuf Izzettin Efendi), but more eyeing the great swathes of territory now made more available to them.
Finally, we have China. I'm not going to go into too much detail regarding what the hell is happening in China at this point in time, but what I will tell you is all you need to know about the catastrophe that is the 'civilization' of China. Frankly, in 1920 would could simply call the so-called 'republic' a hot mess, as these are just a few of the factions that are vying for control over this diverse region;
• Loyalist-republicans (loyal to the 'legal' successors of former-President Yuan Shikai that is);
• Not-so-loyalist-republicans (many of whom are independent, or follow the 'teachings' of the assassinated Sun Yat-sen);
• Provincial warlords who fight for a multitude of factors (many of whom are either independent and foreign-backed);
• Anarchists or crypto-communists (the disaster that is the Chinese Civil War is providing to be a fertile breeding ground for extremism);
• Hyper-nationalists/traditionalists (to prove my point above; the great 'smudge' that you can see on the map below is a massive anti-western, extremely nationalistic popular uprising led by peasant-generals and petty officers);
• Intervening European powers (who are simply trying to protect their interests in this gigantic 'Chinese cake').
Here's a map for the year 1920 from a scenario that's been cooking in my head for a while now; a quick Entente victory in World War One. I'm unsure on the specifics (hell, it might not even be that realistic), but in general the POD's surrounding this timeline is that;
1. The French stick to Plan XV and ensure that the Germans don't penetrate as hard, or as fast, into Belgium and Northern France as they done in OTL, successfully managing to counter-attack into Alsace-Lorraine in October;
2. And the Russians aren't as bumbling or inept as they were with regards to their 'military structure' as they were in OTL; ensuring that they mobilize (more) successfully than OTL and actually push into Eastern Prussia and Galicia following two miserable Austro-German attempts to beat them back into Poland.
In the end, I imagine this version of the 'Great War' ending sometime around late-November 1914 after the Franco-British forces reach the Rhine and the Russians take Königsberg, Danzig, and Posen. In the ensuring chaos that engulfs Central Europe in the aftermath of this 'splendid little war', Austria-Hungary collapse in on itself as nationalistic tensions boil over as Hungarians, Yugoslavs, Czechs, Croats, ect., begin openly fighting amongst themselves as the former empire crumbles under its own weight (the emperor forced to flee amidst the chaos), all whilst Germany is forced to endure a brief republican/socialist uprising that sees the Kingdom of Bavaria break-away from Wilhelm's imperial 'federation'.
In the ensuring peace treaties with the Entente, Germany is forced to hand over all her overseas colonies to Britain and France (which also receives Alsace-Lorraine), as well as a number of it's East Prussian territories to Russia, all whilst the fast-crumbling Austria-Hungary is forcibly divided into Austrian, Czech/Slovak, and Hungarian nations (Serbia is handed over most of it's OTL gains in Yugoslavia). Russia, in return for its hard work against the Austrians, receives the entirety of Galicia-Lodomeria.
Now, a few butterflies that can be noticed from the map itself is the current state of 'anarchy' that is occurring in Mexico, Albania, the Ottoman Empire, and China;
Firstly, the revolution hasn't been kind to Mexico; primarily due to foreign patronage of the various factions; Americans (who are primarily to blame for its current state) and the Europeans playing groups such as the Felicistas, Convencionistas, and Federales (Carrancistas) off against each other as they all attempt to vie for power. Amidst all of this chaos, Felix Diaz has successfully managed to worm his way into power in 1919 with the support of President Charles Evans Hughes (who succeeded President Elihu Root in 1918), however the reformist factions in Mexico aren't taken kindly to the son-of-the-man they had originally risen up against; and as a result they have plunged their nation into an all-out, two-side, civil war.
In Albania, foreign influence and intervention has been turned up to eleven as Italy, Yugoslavia, Montenegro, and Greece, have moved in and occupied what was basically a failed state. Beginning in 1917 after the assassination of Prince William following his not-so triumphant return, this 'alliance of four' has had to fight off against Albanian nationalists and Islamists in an attempt to fulfil their own nationalistic goals that (they hoped) would result in Albania begin torn and annexed between them all (something the great powers aren't to fond of). The only thing stopping them in 1920 is a pesky nationalist revolt being led by a number of militarily able, pluralistic Albanians, and the enmity between the nations (such as Serbia and Italy) regarding how to divide the spoils.
The Ottoman empire is an interesting case; following a brief period in late 1914 that saw tensions rise between it and its Greek neighbour (both nations having successfully managed to steer clear of the world-wide-war), 1915 proved to be relatively peaceful all things considered (and there was a lot to consider for the Turks). The pressures of internal nationalism began to die down as it seemed the new government might have been on the right track to ensuring the stability of their nation...and then the Third Balkan War happened. Prompted by rising tide of Turkish nationalism in early-1916 within the state legislature, the Ottomans attempted to jostle its Bulgarian neighbour in an attempt to have it 'reconsider' borders lost to it over previous years, however, after Greece unexpectedly entered in on the side of their former enemy from the Second Balkan War, tensions rose until they exploded in yet another regional war between the three nations; the Greco-Bulgarian alliance later joined by Russia (a move that cost it significant diplomatic support from Britain who was fearful of Russian encroachment in the Middle East).
Together, these three states marched into the 'sick man of Europe' and successfully toppled it over again within five months in late-1916, the Turks being forced to give up land along its west Anatolian coast to Greece, parts of Thrace to Bulgaria, and the remaining Ottoman Caucus territories to Russia. Amid capitulation, Turkish, Arab, Assyrian, Armenian, and Kurdish nationalism has flared up across the empire and in 1920, the remainder of the once great Ottoman state is failing apart at a rapid pace as foreign nations are becoming more and more concerned with the seemingly imminent collapse of this Turkish empire, with some (the British especially) not-so-much supporting the new Sultan in Constantinople (a reformer once known as Crown Prince Yusuf Izzettin Efendi), but more eyeing the great swathes of territory now made more available to them.
Finally, we have China. I'm not going to go into too much detail regarding what the hell is happening in China at this point in time, but what I will tell you is all you need to know about the catastrophe that is the 'civilization' of China. Frankly, in 1920 would could simply call the so-called 'republic' a hot mess, as these are just a few of the factions that are vying for control over this diverse region;
• Loyalist-republicans (loyal to the 'legal' successors of former-President Yuan Shikai that is);
• Not-so-loyalist-republicans (many of whom are independent, or follow the 'teachings' of the assassinated Sun Yat-sen);
• Provincial warlords who fight for a multitude of factors (many of whom are either independent and foreign-backed);
• Anarchists or crypto-communists (the disaster that is the Chinese Civil War is providing to be a fertile breeding ground for extremism);
• Hyper-nationalists/traditionalists (to prove my point above; the great 'smudge' that you can see on the map below is a massive anti-western, extremely nationalistic popular uprising led by peasant-generals and petty officers);
• Intervening European powers (who are simply trying to protect their interests in this gigantic 'Chinese cake').
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Kingpoleon
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I have not been to India; have you? I have, however, seen pictures and read articles on it. I go to Oklahoma at least once a month, though.
Listen, I asked you to PM me rather than clutter this thread up. If you don't do that next time, I see no reason to respond.
Heres a map of my "Commonwealth of the Kaiserinreich," a nation I play as with another dozen or so people on a minecraft server known as Civcraft, with two (Iserlohn and MRL), among them.
MRL made the map for our country, and I felt it needed to be shared
We have fought many wars with our northern Volterran neighbors, the last of which was mediated by our western neighbors of SPQR, which sits across the river from the Western Territories.
MRL made the map for our country, and I felt it needed to be shared
We have fought many wars with our northern Volterran neighbors, the last of which was mediated by our western neighbors of SPQR, which sits across the river from the Western Territories.
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Dorozhand
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I might be reading too much into this, but your scare quotes around Chinese civilization and the teachings of the great Sun Yat-sen seem awfully crypto-racist. Do the Chinese need some 'white man's burden'?
I think the implication is that at the moment things are anything but civilized due to what appears to be a massive civil war. Why are you intentionally reading racism into his post?
Dirk
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I think the implication is that at the moment things are anything but civilized due to what appears to be a massive civil war. Why are you intentionally reading racism into his post?
It's obviously the only reasonable way to interpret it.
Rhand
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My EU4 game as the Spanish Empire in 1595.
I've only shown the areas I actually control, not areas I have claimed.
Papal State owns Naples, otherwise I would have it (as in OTL).
Treaty of Tordesillas (denoted by crimson line) gave me pretty much everything in South America, but it gave Portugal La Plata. British Empire went Protestant and defied the treaty. But I built a giant navy and took its colonies, and then I freed the Catholics in Ireland.
I'm getting a bit bored of the game, but next time I play the file, I plan to start making inroads into Asia and the Pacific.
Portugal has all of West Africa, and other than that it colonized historically (it took Mozambique and Goa).
France has some holdings in Africa and around the Rio Grande. France is doing rather poorly in ATL because it keeps throwing exorbitant sums of money away in wars against Austria and its posse of random German dudes.
Denmark-Norway has Quebec and Newfoundland.
Because the Spanish Empire completely dominates the Caribbean and has by far the world's strongest navy protecting its merchants, I don't think that there will be any pirates of the Caribbean in ATL. However, things are hot in the Baltic, and pirate fans can expect to see some Jack Sparrow action in the Indian and Pacific Oceans.
On a sad note, with their voracious demand for fur, Europeans have already managed to make the Beavers of the Old World nearly extinct.
I've only shown the areas I actually control, not areas I have claimed.
Papal State owns Naples, otherwise I would have it (as in OTL).
Treaty of Tordesillas (denoted by crimson line) gave me pretty much everything in South America, but it gave Portugal La Plata. British Empire went Protestant and defied the treaty. But I built a giant navy and took its colonies, and then I freed the Catholics in Ireland.
I'm getting a bit bored of the game, but next time I play the file, I plan to start making inroads into Asia and the Pacific.
Portugal has all of West Africa, and other than that it colonized historically (it took Mozambique and Goa).
France has some holdings in Africa and around the Rio Grande. France is doing rather poorly in ATL because it keeps throwing exorbitant sums of money away in wars against Austria and its posse of random German dudes.
Denmark-Norway has Quebec and Newfoundland.
Because the Spanish Empire completely dominates the Caribbean and has by far the world's strongest navy protecting its merchants, I don't think that there will be any pirates of the Caribbean in ATL. However, things are hot in the Baltic, and pirate fans can expect to see some Jack Sparrow action in the Indian and Pacific Oceans.
On a sad note, with their voracious demand for fur, Europeans have already managed to make the Beavers of the Old World nearly extinct.
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On a sad note, with their voracious demand for fur, Europeans have already managed to make the Beavers of the Old World nearly extinct.
Is this something represented in the game, or just an OTL fact?
Rhand
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It's an in-game event. In the late 1500s, the game will tell you that because Europeans eradicated most fur sources in the Old World, Fur is becoming exorbitantly expensive.
Rhand
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Heh, I think I should have phrased myself better. I meant that the beavers were gone from Europe.
They're doing fine in the Americas. For the next few centuries, at least.
The map itself looks like a MOTF submission, with the continental territories stretching to the other sea.Heres a map of my "Commonwealth of the Kaiserinreich," a nation I play as with another dozen or so people on a server known as Civcraft, with two (Iserlohn and MRL), among them.
MRL made the map for our country, and I felt it needed to be shared
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