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Not exactly; Portugal got conquered and brought into the Valois personal union. Colonies (regardless of who founded it) are treated as a seperate crown with its own set of laws.
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Not exactly; Portugal got conquered and brought into the Valois personal union. Colonies (regardless of who founded it) are treated as a seperate crown with its own set of laws.
Aztec-wank!
I'm pretty sure none of the color systems use that color for the Aztecs or any other Mesoamerican state/polity; I'd guess it's supposed to be an early equivalent of a Dominion of Britain.
I always have generally wondered how a major British settler colony on the level of America or Canada would do in the sub-tropics or tropics, like how would it develop and stuff since IOTL the major British settler colonies were in places that were environmentally similar to the British Isles.
It may be in the tropics, but bear in mind the bulk of OTL Mexico's population are in the south-central highlands, in which altitude has a big mitigating effect on things like endemic heat, tropical disease vectors, etc. And of course, there's the fact that parts north of the Tropic of Cancer are generally at worst subtropical, to (semi) arid biomes, which is less troublesome to adapt to than a moist tropical environment at that state of medical knowledge. Then again, there's always the possibility of the Brits doing what the Spanish did and have the place basically run by a small elite of Europeans at least to start with, and that the majority of folks would be semi- to full-native vassals.
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The British seemed to do well in Australia after a bit of initial hardship. As Fleetmac suggests, I imagine settlement would be clustered to the various highlands (and in the semiarid parts) with a policy of 'reverse bantustans' that constrict the best (from a British POV) land to Anglo settlers.
As well as in South Africa, even in the muggy Zululand/eastern SA area prior to the 19th. century (before then, it was north of the Limpopo that things got really dicey from a health standing). Then again, the "British can't stand a little heat" colonization trope gets on my nerves, considering that large numbers of conquistadors who actually settled Latin America were not only from non-Mediterranean Europe, but not even necessarily Spanish (including Galicians) at all. Now if we were talking about, say, Swedish colonization then maybe that's a different story.
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Though the First World War proper has been over since 1917, the embers of war still burn across the planet.
The Germans are beginning to regret having supported the Bolshevik September Revolution in Russia, as the newly created Union of Socialist Soviet Republics has almost totally won the resulting Civil War and now poses a grave threat to Germany's newly created Eastern European states. The leaders of Livonia, Finland, Belarus, Poland-Lithuania, and Ukraine are bracing themselves as best as possible for the storm about to sweep upon them from both sides.
France has been reeling in deep economic depression and hardship due to Germany's annexation of the rest of Lorraine, along with it most of metropolitan France's oil reserves. The French colonial empire is in a state of free-fall collapse, not just due to the massive shakeup and inter-colonial war the peoples of Africa have just experienced, but also for simple want of gas on the part of France's armies and fleet. As it is, the French, British, and Portuguese armies are fighting the desperate Great African War against the rising tide of independence, nationalism, and decolonization sentiment.
Complicating the matter yet further is Germany's policy of supporting armed uprising in French and British colonies to aid in Heeresgruppe Afrika's campaign to enforce Germany's territorial gains in those regions. The HGA has also turned revolt suppression by genocidal force into a fine art.
In southeast Europe, the Third Balkan War has resulted in Ottoman and Greek victory over the Empire of Bulgaria's ambitions, virtually repeating the result of the last war. Ottoman influence in the Balkans has been reinvigorated and Greece has been brought back from the brink of anarchy and ruin after its loss with the loss of the Entente.
The Ottomans themselves have made a stupendous comeback since the Young Turk Revolution and the formation of a parliament and modern army and navy. The victory over the British and French at Gallipoli, Palestine, and Mesopotamia, and over Russia in the Caucasus Campaign and the Battle of Tblisi under the command of General, now Prime Minister, Mustafa Kemal cemented the Empire's status among the Great Powers. As the British Army collapsed and the Royal Navy was defeated, Ottoman soldiers and newly designed tanks flooded across the Suez into Egypt. As British authority in the Sudan too collapsed, the Ottomans pressed on towards Khartoum and took the city in 1918.
Ottoman presence in the Arabian Peninsula has also greatly increased with military security on other fronts, and much of the peninsula has been brought under direct control of Constantinople. This has had several effects, but perhaps the most earthshattering has been the recent chance discovery by Ottoman surveyors of petrol reserves in the Arabian desert, with signs pointing to massive deposits. The Arabian oil industry has been carefully placed under state control and has brought in fabulous wealth, which Kemal has not been idle with as his education, electrification, and modernization campaigns get fully underway.
The bells of the Puebla Cathedral ring out for the victory of divine providence, as the brave soldiers of Mexico have triumphed in battle on the Veracruz and Riogrande fronts of the Second Mexican-American War. General Francisco Villa's battle-hardened and well organized and supplied armies are pushing back hard against Texan and American forces with renewed vigor and morale as the US collapses catastrophically in the throes of civil conflict.
Communists and unionists have risen in revolt in the industrial cities of the northern US and among the destitute blacks of the south against the authoritarian federal government, the ailing economy, and the society of racial oppression. Indeed, one of the cruxes of Mexico's recent string of victories and incredible performance against seemingly steep odds was the mutiny of much of the underfunded and underfed US Navy in port as the rebellion grew, fuel and food grew scarce, and the war seemed ever more pointless.
Adding to this chaos in the US has been the rise of a militant, vigilante right under the leadership of the Ku Klux Klan and neo-CSA ideologues. The movement is nebulous and far from united, but it opposes with vicious fervor the now militant black liberation movement and the labor rising, going on a rampage of pillage, rape, and murder in captured leftist and black liberationist strongholds. The movement has railed against the Federal Government's unsteady hand and shaky response to the threats of revolution, and the army's inability (which they deem to be unwillingness) to return from the front in the southwest to deal with the revolutionaries.
The most spectacular example of this mass rightist rising is the Third Texas Republic, which has rallied the state's militia and army units on the Rio Grande front under its own aegis to prosecute the war against Mexico with greater ferocity and brutality, a strategy which has not helped to quell unrest in occupied areas and has further consolidated world sympathy for Mexico.
In South America, meanwhile, Bolivia has found itself at war with Brazil over Acre after Bolivian nationals declared a Fourth Acre Republic and attempted to secede from Brazil. The Bolivian Army has performed surprisingly well against the forces of Brazil and Chile, which joined the war on Brazil's side, after Brazil began to crumble during a new separatist rising in Rio Grande do Sul and Juliana, as well as Bahia. With Peruvian and Colombian entry into the war on Bolivia's side, German support and supply of arms, Ottoman oil, and Argentine neutrality, the balance has tipped towards Bolivia.
The Republic China has found itself at war with Japan, who, after a warlord in control of Manchuria set up the last emperor of Qing as the Zhengwen Emperor of a restored Qing Dynasty (referred to as Northern Qing in the Book of Qing compiled by Republican scholars later on), sought to bring China under its sole influence before the Republic could defeat the warlords, consolidate its newfound control over the country after the end of the World War, and begin to receive aid from its German allies. China has reluctantly accepted the assistance of the USSR in fighting Japan in Manchuria and has accepted Mongol annexation of Inner Mongolia and the independence of Turkestan. The remaining warlords have mostly united behind the banner of the Republic in the face of foreign invasion and German aid in arms has been pouring in all the same.
The British Raj came crashing down at the end of the War, and now the Indian Warlord Era is in full swing, as various generals and princes vie for control of northern India, while Communist revolutionaries in the south have created the Dravidian Soviet Republic, and a blooming of Bengali nationalism has resulted in the formation of the Republic of the Ganges.
The world (still) at war, and on the verge of the German-Soviet War, in 1923:
The Germans are beginning to regret having supported the Bolshevik September Revolution in Russia, as the newly created Union of Socialist Soviet Republics has almost totally won the resulting Civil War and now poses a grave threat to Germany's newly created Eastern European states. The leaders of Livonia, Finland, Belarus, Poland-Lithuania, and Ukraine are bracing themselves as best as possible for the storm about to sweep upon them from both sides.
France has been reeling in deep economic depression and hardship due to Germany's annexation of the rest of Lorraine, along with it most of metropolitan France's oil reserves. The French colonial empire is in a state of free-fall collapse, not just due to the massive shakeup and inter-colonial war the peoples of Africa have just experienced, but also for simple want of gas on the part of France's armies and fleet. As it is, the French, British, and Portuguese armies are fighting the desperate Great African War against the rising tide of independence, nationalism, and decolonization sentiment.
Complicating the matter yet further is Germany's policy of supporting armed uprising in French and British colonies to aid in Heeresgruppe Afrika's campaign to enforce Germany's territorial gains in those regions. The HGA has also turned revolt suppression by genocidal force into a fine art.
In southeast Europe, the Third Balkan War has resulted in Ottoman and Greek victory over the Empire of Bulgaria's ambitions, virtually repeating the result of the last war. Ottoman influence in the Balkans has been reinvigorated and Greece has been brought back from the brink of anarchy and ruin after its loss with the loss of the Entente.
The Ottomans themselves have made a stupendous comeback since the Young Turk Revolution and the formation of a parliament and modern army and navy. The victory over the British and French at Gallipoli, Palestine, and Mesopotamia, and over Russia in the Caucasus Campaign and the Battle of Tblisi under the command of General, now Prime Minister, Mustafa Kemal cemented the Empire's status among the Great Powers. As the British Army collapsed and the Royal Navy was defeated, Ottoman soldiers and newly designed tanks flooded across the Suez into Egypt. As British authority in the Sudan too collapsed, the Ottomans pressed on towards Khartoum and took the city in 1918.
Ottoman presence in the Arabian Peninsula has also greatly increased with military security on other fronts, and much of the peninsula has been brought under direct control of Constantinople. This has had several effects, but perhaps the most earthshattering has been the recent chance discovery by Ottoman surveyors of petrol reserves in the Arabian desert, with signs pointing to massive deposits. The Arabian oil industry has been carefully placed under state control and has brought in fabulous wealth, which Kemal has not been idle with as his education, electrification, and modernization campaigns get fully underway.
The bells of the Puebla Cathedral ring out for the victory of divine providence, as the brave soldiers of Mexico have triumphed in battle on the Veracruz and Riogrande fronts of the Second Mexican-American War. General Francisco Villa's battle-hardened and well organized and supplied armies are pushing back hard against Texan and American forces with renewed vigor and morale as the US collapses catastrophically in the throes of civil conflict.
Communists and unionists have risen in revolt in the industrial cities of the northern US and among the destitute blacks of the south against the authoritarian federal government, the ailing economy, and the society of racial oppression. Indeed, one of the cruxes of Mexico's recent string of victories and incredible performance against seemingly steep odds was the mutiny of much of the underfunded and underfed US Navy in port as the rebellion grew, fuel and food grew scarce, and the war seemed ever more pointless.
Adding to this chaos in the US has been the rise of a militant, vigilante right under the leadership of the Ku Klux Klan and neo-CSA ideologues. The movement is nebulous and far from united, but it opposes with vicious fervor the now militant black liberation movement and the labor rising, going on a rampage of pillage, rape, and murder in captured leftist and black liberationist strongholds. The movement has railed against the Federal Government's unsteady hand and shaky response to the threats of revolution, and the army's inability (which they deem to be unwillingness) to return from the front in the southwest to deal with the revolutionaries.
The most spectacular example of this mass rightist rising is the Third Texas Republic, which has rallied the state's militia and army units on the Rio Grande front under its own aegis to prosecute the war against Mexico with greater ferocity and brutality, a strategy which has not helped to quell unrest in occupied areas and has further consolidated world sympathy for Mexico.
In South America, meanwhile, Bolivia has found itself at war with Brazil over Acre after Bolivian nationals declared a Fourth Acre Republic and attempted to secede from Brazil. The Bolivian Army has performed surprisingly well against the forces of Brazil and Chile, which joined the war on Brazil's side, after Brazil began to crumble during a new separatist rising in Rio Grande do Sul and Juliana, as well as Bahia. With Peruvian and Colombian entry into the war on Bolivia's side, German support and supply of arms, Ottoman oil, and Argentine neutrality, the balance has tipped towards Bolivia.
The Republic China has found itself at war with Japan, who, after a warlord in control of Manchuria set up the last emperor of Qing as the Zhengwen Emperor of a restored Qing Dynasty (referred to as Northern Qing in the Book of Qing compiled by Republican scholars later on), sought to bring China under its sole influence before the Republic could defeat the warlords, consolidate its newfound control over the country after the end of the World War, and begin to receive aid from its German allies. China has reluctantly accepted the assistance of the USSR in fighting Japan in Manchuria and has accepted Mongol annexation of Inner Mongolia and the independence of Turkestan. The remaining warlords have mostly united behind the banner of the Republic in the face of foreign invasion and German aid in arms has been pouring in all the same.
The British Raj came crashing down at the end of the War, and now the Indian Warlord Era is in full swing, as various generals and princes vie for control of northern India, while Communist revolutionaries in the south have created the Dravidian Soviet Republic, and a blooming of Bengali nationalism has resulted in the formation of the Republic of the Ganges.
The world (still) at war, and on the verge of the German-Soviet War, in 1923:
They tried.
Considering Belize is still a commonwealth realm the British colonization was clearly somewhat successful.
I'd also point to Malasya, Singapore and the other places with a tropical climate such as southern India/Sri Lanka, northern Australia and bits of central Africa. Plus Guyana and the rest of the Carribean.
The south was economically ruined for a long time after the civil war, and until the fifties wouldnt get close to the levels of antebellum. A revolutionary revolt with uprisings by blacks is the closest you get.
I see the United Socialist Republics of Moose and Beavers is thriving.
In other news, the Red Green Show just got a hell of a lot redder.
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Dorozhand
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That is a Slavey uprising. First Nations Peoples have also risen up in northern Ontario, which has a non insignificant population.
Not too likely to be a communist rebellion either way (fairly minimal contact with the works of Marx up there).
Not insignificant in terms of FN-to-white ratio, but lots of those settlements have double-digit populations, very little infrastructure (almost definitely not even roads in pre-WW2 time; they barely have gravel roads now), and an "out of sight, out of mind" relationship with the "white" governments even today. Why rebel against an authority you barely have contact with and just leaves you alone to do your thing? You might shift that red swath south to cover the area west of Thunder Bay following the rail line through Kenora, Dryden, Ft. Frances etc. up to Winnipeg. There was a lot of labour militancy there among rail, mining and forestry workers in that time and place, as well as a numerically greater and denser First Nations population who might've found somewhat easy allies among an immigrant-heavy and IWW-aligned labour movement.
Is that line across the prairies a well-organised and militarised On To Ottawa Trek?
So, I notice that a lot of people use this, but it is still missing some topography. So I added topography for Vancouver Island and New Zealand.
Credit for the original goes to Gryphon.
Credit for the original goes to Gryphon.
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That's great! Speaking of updating stuff, we should really have a thread about updating the maps on the wiki...
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That means someone can open a new thread right now?
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