What happened to Sri Lanka?!
It was Fenwickified. And Shahicised. Basic idea, along with the big ass bay there, is a result if a massive (series) of geological dooms long, long ago.
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It was Fenwickified. And Shahicised. Basic idea, along with the big ass bay there, is a result if a massive (series) of geological dooms long, long ago.
Ever heard of Atlantropa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantropa)? It was some project that involved draining the Mediterranean Sea for use as farmland. I might make a QBAM version later, considering this version is very crude (due to small size). I could also make a map showing a worldwide drainage.
A brown pixel represents a dam/bridge.
Here are some of the major changes:
Almost all of the Adriatic Sea has been drained. Italy gained most of the territory, with some going to Croatia and a teeny smidge to Albania, and Bosnia and Herzegovina. Unfortunately, though, Slovenia was landlocked in the process.
Most small Greek islands have been connected to the mainland, the larger ones were merely expanded.
The area bordering Sicily, Tunisia, Malta, and Libya has been drained big-time. Malta was expanded by a very, very large amount and is now in mainland Europe. Sicily has also been linked to the main Italian peninsula, but Italy has lost its trademark "boot" shape (if you can't find it, turn your head to the left)
Monaco has also been given a major change in size.
There are only two Balearic islands- Majorca-Minorca (often just called Majorca), and Ibiza.
Corsica and Sardinia have been merged into one island (can't think of a name)
Just a note- almost all of the coast has been expanded by at least one pixel.
Enjoy!
Ryan
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are you gonna include the African seas that were part of the project as well?
here's a link to a map which shows them.
Here's the updated version with the new African seas- (credit to Fenwick)
(I wonder how the borders would actually look with this)
(I wonder how the borders would actually look with this
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Alex Richards
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Ah Atlantropa, never before has there been a project more potentially devastating to the only people who would be interested in funding it.
Here's the updated version with the new African seas-
(I wonder how the borders would actually look with this
Gee, wonder where you got that... https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=10311956&postcount=6549
Give credit where credit is due.
WI: A Neo-Roman Empire takes over Italy, North Africa and Iberia while Britain holds on to Tangiers, Ceuta and Gibraltar. With a Cold War that has been continuing for decades between the Empires, Britain's only solution is to try to destroy the empire from the inside by draining the Mediterranean.
Alex Richards
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Britain's got no strategic depth to protect the massive amounts of manpower and supplies that would need to be brought in to actually build the damn thing.
What do you get if you drain the Mediterranean? (The whole sea, not just what's on the map)
A giant salt desert a couple of kilometers below sea level hotter than the Sahara.
I never could figure out why anyone ever thought that scheme was a good idea. They think farmland but what they'd get is desert spilling over and spreading up into Spain and Greece. It would mess up the planet's climate more than burning coal for the next two centuries.
He also claimed to have seen lines on Venus, too.
Schiaparelli initially had a rather different pre-canal take on Mars:
And a very colorful one (1894) by Eugene Antoniadi next to a modern map...
Edit: here's a 1901 article on Lowell's mars. http://www.erbzine.com/mag14/1444.html
Schiaparelli initially had a rather different pre-canal take on Mars:
And a very colorful one (1894) by Eugene Antoniadi next to a modern map...
Edit: here's a 1901 article on Lowell's mars. http://www.erbzine.com/mag14/1444.html
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30 years after Red Dawn
It’s 2017 and thirty years have passed since the ending of the Third World War that saw most of Canada occupied, the United States nearly cut in half, Britain laid siege to, and a half billion Chinese murdered in nuclear hellfire. In the thirty years since the end of the conflict, the Great Patriot War and the war leaders that lead their nations through the conflict have become mythologized in the United States, Britain, Canada, and China. Practically venerated as a messianic figure in post-war America, even more so in the years after his passing, almost every American city proudly displays a Ronald Reagan statue. American resolve and fortitude in the face of the communist invasion of the United States is often attributed to the indomitable will of "The Gipper". Some have even gone so far as to claim that without their leader the United States may have been cut in two by the Soviet pincer attack and collapsed. This is more than likely an exaggeration as Soviet supply lines were already stretched to their upper most limits when the Soviet advance was halted. Of course everything in the US isn’t mythologized war leaders and patriotic rejoicing over defeating the communists, after all a decent portion of the nation was occupied by communist forces for nearly three years. The war gutted the Democratic Party who came to be viewed as communist sympathizers and appeasers whose actions directly led to the Third World War, it took nearly twenty years for the Democrats to regain a sizable minority in the both the House and the Senate and it wasn’t until 2016 that a Democrat finally won the presidency. During the war and the years afterwards, many figures on the left were tried for collaboration and treason. The Supreme Court, which had been stacked by the Reagan administration after the deaths of most of the Justices, upheld these convictions whenever they were challenged. In no place were the show trials and witch hunts worse than in Texas. Hoping to try and win local support the Soviet occupiers and their collaborators proclaimed the People’s Republic of Texas. When the communist forces began the long withdrawal from territory north of the Rio Grande, the locals began to take revenge on the collaborationist government officials. Lynching’s, public executions, and brutal beatings were rampant across newly liberated Texas. Women that were suspected of having been in relationships with Soviet soldiers were often brutally beaten or murdered. The orgy of violence wasn’t tempered until roughly a year after the end of the war. Just as the Soviet’s and their allies were brutal in their occupation of American territories, the United States was brutal in its occupation of the Soviet aligned Latin American nations. Communist Mexico was broken up into several military districts that would never be put back together. Nicaragua and Cuba faced some of the worst of American excesses during their respective occupations. Brutal beyond necessity, the American occupation was motivated by the drive to prevent the Soviets from ever being able to replicate their attack on the United States. Sustained communist domination of South America and the continued existence of the Soviet Union proved to be a massive source of fear which motivated most Americans into being largely alright with the brutal tactics used to quash resistance in Central America. For a rather large and vocal minority in the US there is a strange yearning for a second round with the Soviets and finish what they started. This bizarre sentiment if something of a Carthago delenda est syndrome or in this case Moscow delenda est syndrome. The previous fight wasn’t a fair one, because the Soviets launched a surprise attack while the US was at its weakest and the US still managed to defeat the USSR. Many of these saber rattlers view it impossible for the US to truly be safe so long as the Soviet Union exists.
While no part of Britain was occupied by the Soviet Union during the Third World War, not for lack of trying, the island nation was heavily bombarded by the Soviet Union. Margret Thatcher is remembered on equal terms as Winston Churchill because of her leadership during WWIII. While the political left is not as reviled by in Britain as it is in the United States, Continental Europeans are viewed with just as much disdain. While American, British, and Chinese cities burned in nuclear hellfire the Europeans Community sat out the war on the sidelines. The Germans are viewed as having been bought off by the Soviet supported reunification of Germany as a neutral power and the French are seen as traitorous scoundrel. It goes without saying Britain is far closer to the United States than it is the European Union. The Thatcher government would be responsible for American involvement in the Yugoslav war in 1991, a conflict that the United States had been largely ambivalent about, far more concerned with insulating North America from any further attacks.
When Latin American Communist forces pushed northwards into the United States, they had counted on the non-Soviet aligned nations to sit on the sidelines. They had counted wrong. With most of communist Nicaragua’s forces tied up in the occupation of the American South West, the Pro-American government in Honduras invaded it communist neighbor. Ill defended and ill prepared to deal with an invasion, the Nicaraguans were swept aside by the Honduran onslaught. The successes of little Honduras against the great communist coalition were widely reported in the United States and were used heavily as propaganda to keep up American moral. Unfortunately for the Hondurans, this gained the ire of the Soviet Union and their advance largely came to a halt when Tegucigalpa was nuked. After the war ended, the United States made sure to pay back their little buddy that gave them hope in America’s darkest hour.
Israel’s destruction of the Aswan Dam and use of nuclear weapons against the Egyptian and Syrian forces during the Third World War are some of the most controversial events of the war. With America under siege and Tel Aviv burnt in nuclear fire, the combined military forces of Soviet backed Egypt and Syria invaded Israel, hoping to destroy the state once and for all. Desperately trying to stave off conquest the Israeli government chose to use the nuclear option. The Israeli attack on Egypt killed the nation and resulted in the deaths of countless millions. Aleppo burnt as well, the Israelis choosing not to attack Damascus so that the Syrian government would survive in some form to make peace. After the war the Israeli forces occupied the Sinai Peninsula and the Nile Delta. In the years since the war Israel has begun settlement of occupied Egypt. Both the Sudanese and the Libyans have encroached on Egypt, but are careful to avoid antagonizing the Israelis.
In the years since the Third World War, China has slowly recovered from having been brutally mauled by the Soviet Union. Communism mostly went out of fashion in the PRC after the war and in 2010 mainland China and Taiwan reunited as the Federal Republic of China. While not exactly the most democratic place in the world, China is slowly liberalizing. While American paranoia about the Soviets may be rather extreme the Chinese, who lost half of their population in the Third World War take it to a whole new level. The Soviet-Chinese border is the most militarized borders in the world and if anything is going to spark off a Fourth World War it’s going to be some damn border dispute between the USSR and the FRoC.
For the Soviet Union the era since the once mighty empire's great defeat in WWIII has been a difficult one. Barely surviving the conflict, the USSR was forced to accept the peaceful dissolution of the Warsaw Pact and the loss of the Baltic. Forced to pay a massive sum of money to the United States, the Soviets sold Koenigsberg back to the Germans. Unable to support their client states across the globe, most of the communist nations of Africa collapsed. In South America they turned away from Moscow and toward Rio. The peace was a harsh one that saw the Soviet military gutted, and unlike the West in the post WWI era, the United States and China made sure that the Soviets didn’t violate their agreement. The Soviet Union dismantled its nuclear bombs and turned them over to the United States, Britain, and China in return for a reduction of the payments they were to make to the nations. Even thirty years after the end of the war, the Soviet Union is a shadow of its former self, hardly even able to stick together. The fact that the Americans and the Chinese are still terrified of the Russian Bear is both sad and funny because the Soviets could quite literally do nothing if war broke out between the USSR and the West. The restrictions placed have made it incredibly difficult for the USSR to maintain control over Central Asia, the recent fall of Samarkand casting real doubt on the Soviet’s ability to govern the region
Back across the Atlantic, the North American Customs Union is an engine of economic domination used by the USA. The tiered system has levels of economic integration into the NACU. First tier nations like Mexico, Cuba, and Nicaragua are economically tied to the US through trade agreements that prevent them from trading with anyone other than the United States. Second tier nations can trade all other NACU members that aren’t tier one. Third tier nations can with non-NACU nations and all other NACU members above tier one.
It’s 2017 and thirty years have passed since the ending of the Third World War that saw most of Canada occupied, the United States nearly cut in half, Britain laid siege to, and a half billion Chinese murdered in nuclear hellfire. In the thirty years since the end of the conflict, the Great Patriot War and the war leaders that lead their nations through the conflict have become mythologized in the United States, Britain, Canada, and China. Practically venerated as a messianic figure in post-war America, even more so in the years after his passing, almost every American city proudly displays a Ronald Reagan statue. American resolve and fortitude in the face of the communist invasion of the United States is often attributed to the indomitable will of "The Gipper". Some have even gone so far as to claim that without their leader the United States may have been cut in two by the Soviet pincer attack and collapsed. This is more than likely an exaggeration as Soviet supply lines were already stretched to their upper most limits when the Soviet advance was halted. Of course everything in the US isn’t mythologized war leaders and patriotic rejoicing over defeating the communists, after all a decent portion of the nation was occupied by communist forces for nearly three years. The war gutted the Democratic Party who came to be viewed as communist sympathizers and appeasers whose actions directly led to the Third World War, it took nearly twenty years for the Democrats to regain a sizable minority in the both the House and the Senate and it wasn’t until 2016 that a Democrat finally won the presidency. During the war and the years afterwards, many figures on the left were tried for collaboration and treason. The Supreme Court, which had been stacked by the Reagan administration after the deaths of most of the Justices, upheld these convictions whenever they were challenged. In no place were the show trials and witch hunts worse than in Texas. Hoping to try and win local support the Soviet occupiers and their collaborators proclaimed the People’s Republic of Texas. When the communist forces began the long withdrawal from territory north of the Rio Grande, the locals began to take revenge on the collaborationist government officials. Lynching’s, public executions, and brutal beatings were rampant across newly liberated Texas. Women that were suspected of having been in relationships with Soviet soldiers were often brutally beaten or murdered. The orgy of violence wasn’t tempered until roughly a year after the end of the war. Just as the Soviet’s and their allies were brutal in their occupation of American territories, the United States was brutal in its occupation of the Soviet aligned Latin American nations. Communist Mexico was broken up into several military districts that would never be put back together. Nicaragua and Cuba faced some of the worst of American excesses during their respective occupations. Brutal beyond necessity, the American occupation was motivated by the drive to prevent the Soviets from ever being able to replicate their attack on the United States. Sustained communist domination of South America and the continued existence of the Soviet Union proved to be a massive source of fear which motivated most Americans into being largely alright with the brutal tactics used to quash resistance in Central America. For a rather large and vocal minority in the US there is a strange yearning for a second round with the Soviets and finish what they started. This bizarre sentiment if something of a Carthago delenda est syndrome or in this case Moscow delenda est syndrome. The previous fight wasn’t a fair one, because the Soviets launched a surprise attack while the US was at its weakest and the US still managed to defeat the USSR. Many of these saber rattlers view it impossible for the US to truly be safe so long as the Soviet Union exists.
While no part of Britain was occupied by the Soviet Union during the Third World War, not for lack of trying, the island nation was heavily bombarded by the Soviet Union. Margret Thatcher is remembered on equal terms as Winston Churchill because of her leadership during WWIII. While the political left is not as reviled by in Britain as it is in the United States, Continental Europeans are viewed with just as much disdain. While American, British, and Chinese cities burned in nuclear hellfire the Europeans Community sat out the war on the sidelines. The Germans are viewed as having been bought off by the Soviet supported reunification of Germany as a neutral power and the French are seen as traitorous scoundrel. It goes without saying Britain is far closer to the United States than it is the European Union. The Thatcher government would be responsible for American involvement in the Yugoslav war in 1991, a conflict that the United States had been largely ambivalent about, far more concerned with insulating North America from any further attacks.
When Latin American Communist forces pushed northwards into the United States, they had counted on the non-Soviet aligned nations to sit on the sidelines. They had counted wrong. With most of communist Nicaragua’s forces tied up in the occupation of the American South West, the Pro-American government in Honduras invaded it communist neighbor. Ill defended and ill prepared to deal with an invasion, the Nicaraguans were swept aside by the Honduran onslaught. The successes of little Honduras against the great communist coalition were widely reported in the United States and were used heavily as propaganda to keep up American moral. Unfortunately for the Hondurans, this gained the ire of the Soviet Union and their advance largely came to a halt when Tegucigalpa was nuked. After the war ended, the United States made sure to pay back their little buddy that gave them hope in America’s darkest hour.
Israel’s destruction of the Aswan Dam and use of nuclear weapons against the Egyptian and Syrian forces during the Third World War are some of the most controversial events of the war. With America under siege and Tel Aviv burnt in nuclear fire, the combined military forces of Soviet backed Egypt and Syria invaded Israel, hoping to destroy the state once and for all. Desperately trying to stave off conquest the Israeli government chose to use the nuclear option. The Israeli attack on Egypt killed the nation and resulted in the deaths of countless millions. Aleppo burnt as well, the Israelis choosing not to attack Damascus so that the Syrian government would survive in some form to make peace. After the war the Israeli forces occupied the Sinai Peninsula and the Nile Delta. In the years since the war Israel has begun settlement of occupied Egypt. Both the Sudanese and the Libyans have encroached on Egypt, but are careful to avoid antagonizing the Israelis.
In the years since the Third World War, China has slowly recovered from having been brutally mauled by the Soviet Union. Communism mostly went out of fashion in the PRC after the war and in 2010 mainland China and Taiwan reunited as the Federal Republic of China. While not exactly the most democratic place in the world, China is slowly liberalizing. While American paranoia about the Soviets may be rather extreme the Chinese, who lost half of their population in the Third World War take it to a whole new level. The Soviet-Chinese border is the most militarized borders in the world and if anything is going to spark off a Fourth World War it’s going to be some damn border dispute between the USSR and the FRoC.
For the Soviet Union the era since the once mighty empire's great defeat in WWIII has been a difficult one. Barely surviving the conflict, the USSR was forced to accept the peaceful dissolution of the Warsaw Pact and the loss of the Baltic. Forced to pay a massive sum of money to the United States, the Soviets sold Koenigsberg back to the Germans. Unable to support their client states across the globe, most of the communist nations of Africa collapsed. In South America they turned away from Moscow and toward Rio. The peace was a harsh one that saw the Soviet military gutted, and unlike the West in the post WWI era, the United States and China made sure that the Soviets didn’t violate their agreement. The Soviet Union dismantled its nuclear bombs and turned them over to the United States, Britain, and China in return for a reduction of the payments they were to make to the nations. Even thirty years after the end of the war, the Soviet Union is a shadow of its former self, hardly even able to stick together. The fact that the Americans and the Chinese are still terrified of the Russian Bear is both sad and funny because the Soviets could quite literally do nothing if war broke out between the USSR and the West. The restrictions placed have made it incredibly difficult for the USSR to maintain control over Central Asia, the recent fall of Samarkand casting real doubt on the Soviet’s ability to govern the region
Back across the Atlantic, the North American Customs Union is an engine of economic domination used by the USA. The tiered system has levels of economic integration into the NACU. First tier nations like Mexico, Cuba, and Nicaragua are economically tied to the US through trade agreements that prevent them from trading with anyone other than the United States. Second tier nations can trade all other NACU members that aren’t tier one. Third tier nations can with non-NACU nations and all other NACU members above tier one.
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Nicely done, General Finley.
(Given that central Europe was widely assumed to be toast in any US-Soviet nuclear throwdown, I can't entirely blame the Germans.)
Two things:
"The war gutted the Democratic Party who came to be viewed as communist sympathizers and appeasers whose actions directly led to the Third World War, it took nearly twenty years for the Democrats to regain a sizable minority in the both the House and the Senate and it wasn’t until 2016 that a Democrat finally won the presidency."
OK:
1. Is this from the movie somewhere?
2. Is this the line taken by the Republicans to justify some sort of political purge?
3. Or are you just assuming that this world operates by the rules of 1980s right-winger imagination?
Second, the USSR is NOT giving up its nukes. What else do they have to keep the US from nuking them into oblivion?
Or, again, right wing fantasy rules?
Bruce
(Given that central Europe was widely assumed to be toast in any US-Soviet nuclear throwdown, I can't entirely blame the Germans.)
Two things:
"The war gutted the Democratic Party who came to be viewed as communist sympathizers and appeasers whose actions directly led to the Third World War, it took nearly twenty years for the Democrats to regain a sizable minority in the both the House and the Senate and it wasn’t until 2016 that a Democrat finally won the presidency."
OK:
1. Is this from the movie somewhere?
2. Is this the line taken by the Republicans to justify some sort of political purge?
3. Or are you just assuming that this world operates by the rules of 1980s right-winger imagination?
Second, the USSR is NOT giving up its nukes. What else do they have to keep the US from nuking them into oblivion?
Or, again, right wing fantasy rules?
Bruce
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