I'm eager to know what will become of the new century in this timeline. Specially about Latin America and Africa, and their reactions to scientific and technologic discoveries and research...
Keep it up!
Keep it up!
I'm eager to know what will become of the new century in this timeline. Specially about Latin America and Africa, and their reactions to scientific and technologic discoveries and research...
Keep it up!
Well, we've already seen the emergence of a primitivist, anti-technological movement among fundamentalist Muslims in the rural Sahara; whether they go the way of the Amish or the Unabomber remains to be seen.
Sigh, it looks like some people can't do anything right - and all those horrid republicans messing things up with their horrid republics p). Still, one can only hope the West African (con)federation-ish-thingy will come to pass sooner or later, probably South Africa style.
That said, I continue to really enjoy this timeline. In particular, one thing that I'm really enjoying is the discussion of the effects, positive and negative, economic, cultural, and social of the vast amounts of oil in certain regions of Africa and the Middle East. It's refreshing to see it explored in a more human way than simply "X finds a metric f**k-ton of oil. X gets lots and lots of money, becomes great power/is immediately exploited ruthlessly by western interests". The backlash evolving in the form of regionalism, Islamic anti-technological movements, rapid urbanization and creation and fomentation of liberal democratic movements means that these regions will have very interesting futures as we reach the last cycle of the timeline.
Me and my fiance really enjoy that part of the TL too. As for the anti-technological movement, my initial assumption is they're more likely to follow the Belloist example of removing themselves from the world. However, as someone mentioned before, there could be a chance they go uni-bomber too. More than likely the ones motivated to use violence will be a minority, but will end up tarnishing the isolationists' reputation, leading to repression and more violence, fleeing the area and the possible spread of the ideology through refugees and such. Or maybe a compromise and a peaceful solution could also be reached. But like you said this and the other factors of the region are going to make it very interesting to see unfold as we reach the TL's conclusion.
I agree about the anti-technological movement. Given that the peoples of this region have been dominated by a Belloist interpretation of Islam for the majority of the TL's timeframe, I think the radical sect that seeks to retreat from modern technology will follow the teachings of retreating from an unjust society to maintain religious purity. Amish would be the best analogue. Given their ideological underpinings, I don't see Amish-Belloist terrorists anytime soon.
Sure, there might be some crazies that are open to Unabomber-esque activities, but I don't see them being numerous enough to be seen as much more than lone gunmen. After all, there is a very big difference between the Belloist approach to "un-Islamic" behavior and practices and say, OTL Wahabist offshoots.
I've also just realized that Germany and the Sahara, of all places, have very similar culture-counterculture matches. Massive growth of per capita income and technological advancement leads to backlash against modernism and romantic embrace of a largely fictional "pure" past of peasants and rural peoples. And both are dealing with this at the same time. Talk about parallel cultural evolution. Somebody needs to write about the adventures of a group of German hippies among the Tuareg Amish.
Oh, yes. I had forgotten the foreshadowing of Libya's problems with relations to the Ottomans and internal unity. That'll be a fun little slice of chaos soon.If you think the discovery of oil in the Kingdom of the Arabs has made things complicated, though, just wait till they find it in Libya.
Interesting. It sounds like New Guinea has maintained a pretty traditional colonial situation, as unserdeutsch and mixed marriages exist, but are not common and there are likely few settlers and limited control beyond directly controlled posts of the German government. I'd speculate that it's something of a money sink as well. TTL's German government might also create interesting possibilities between the eastern half of the island and the semi-Dutch Nusantra. High German and Unserdeutsch are unlikely to supplant native languages, but the use of Unserdeutsch as a continued and expending language for trade and prestige with the colonial authorities could help forge close ties with merchants in Nusantra capable of speaking Dutch(actual Netherlanders or locals). There'll be a noticeable amount of Germanic loanwords and influence in the region's linguistic families, given that.German presence in New Guinea: It has somewhat greater depth in the lowlands – Unserdeutsch has indeed become more widespread, there have been a few mixed marriages, and there’s also been some adoption of German cultural artifacts as ornamental items (if not always the way they would be used in Germany) – but the highlands are still largely unpenetrated. Some German goods have reached the highlands through trade, but there hasn’t been enough contact for cultural influence.
I have never known how much I wanted such a thing until now.And yes, a collaboration between German hippies and Tuareg Amish has to happen, or better yet, German hippies and dissident Tuareg Amish. The world needs more Tuareg folk metal.
To quote Paolo Abacar: "The world has too many kings."
Interesting. It sounds like New Guinea has maintained a pretty traditional colonial situation, as unserdeutsch and mixed marriages exist, but are not common and there are likely few settlers and limited control beyond directly controlled posts of the German government. I'd speculate that it's something of a money sink as well.
TTL's German government might also create interesting possibilities between the eastern half of the island and the semi-Dutch Nusantra. High German and Unserdeutsch are unlikely to supplant native languages, but the use of Unserdeutsch as a continued and expending language for trade and prestige with the colonial authorities could help forge close ties with merchants in Nusantra capable of speaking Dutch(actual Netherlanders or locals). There'll be a noticeable amount of Germanic loanwords and influence in the region's linguistic families, given that.
In that case, I think it's pretty safe to say that New Guinea will be one of the earlier decolonizations. The long-standing prejudice against pre-state peoples and the status as a hardship post makes me think that it's closer to German Central Africa than other colonies in terms of injustice against the inhabitants. Between it's lack of prestige, high cost of maintenance and mainland politicians eventually trying to distance themselves from ugly practices of colonialism, I think the Germans will be withdrawing fairly early into the next cycle of the TL. They'll likely still maintain naval posts and a lopsided economic relationship, but it sounds like political independence would be a net boon for everybody involved in a decade or two down the line.Pretty much. The Germans originally set up shop there as a coaling station, and once it morphed into a colony, they weren't quite sure what to do with it. Trade is only profitable on a small scale, and while there's some money to be made in logging, it doesn't offset the expenses of administration. Germany thus never really developed New Guinea the way it did SWA or the Copperbelt kingdoms.
Also, New Guinea isn't one of the better-run German possessions. It's considered a hardship post so it doesn't get the better civil servants, and because the New Guinean peoples are pre-state, the Germans don't have the same respect for them as for Madagascar or the Copperbelt kingdoms. This means that German rule over the coast is often arbitrary, although the flip side is that the highland peoples get mostly left alone.
This is sort of what I was imagining, though Lingala might be a step too far into formalized language systems, given the sheer scope of linguistic differences among the local linguistic families and between German, Dutch, and English, compared to the Lingala situation of mostly Bantu-Romance mixing. On the other hand, I can't really think of a better analogy off-hand. The West Germanic language family will likely have the greatest amount of linguistic influence of all, save perhaps Arabic and the locals themselves.Hmmm. Eventually there could be a Lingala-like trading patois among the coastal peoples that includes German and Dutch loanwords as well as some English via contact with the Torres Strait islands. This would definitely filter into the primary languages as well.
I love this TL.
This is sort of what I was imagining, though Lingala might be a step too far into formalized language systems, given the sheer scope of linguistic differences among the local linguistic families and between German, Dutch, and English, compared to the Lingala situation of mostly Bantu-Romance mixing.
On that note, there'd likely be a decent amount of Japanese and Arabic influences not present IOTL due to those countries' expanded political relations and commercial ties to the region ITTL, with Arabic being the stronger of the two due to the strength of Islam and Japanese being a source of some more "modern" loanwords. These might be more common on the Nusantran side than Papua New Guinea at this point in time, but there's potential for expansion.
I dunno if this is too late, but I just discovered this whilst researching for my own TL; in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, several planters and entrepreneurs in New Guinea requested the Sarawak government for Dayak workers for "collecting wild rubber and instructing the natives on how to do so".
That sounds about right. The Germanic common vocabulary will be helpful in such a language, but would not have the power to displace native languages. Tok Pisin would make a better analogy, too.Maybe an augmented Tok Pisin with multiple substrates, then - a creole that jettisons much more of the indigenous vocabulary but keeps indigenous grammatical structures and pronunciation. It would be a sort of pidgin German-Dutch with a minor key in English, focusing on words with maximum mutual intelligibility.
What people speak when they're at home, as opposed to when doing business with strangers, will be their native language with a steadily increasing number of German loanwords.
A cultural divide as per OTL seems likely still. I think the advantage may be in economics than anything. A quick opportunity to make connections between similar colonial empires with similar languages could endure to independence and allow for a more diverse economy in Papua and a greater exchange of technical knowledge as the relationship grows. The east will still be unlikely to pursue much unity with the west or Nusantra, though.They'll definitely be there in West Papua along with some Dutch, but I doubt there's much contact between the two sides of New Guinea at this point. Overland trade is virtually impossible, and not many Indonesians or Japanese trade at the German-controlled ports. There's some small-scale coastal trade, but the post-independence era is when non-German foreigners will start to trade there in significant numbers.
The differing levels of contact will probably feed a cultural divide between the western and eastern lowland peoples, as indeed exists in OTL.
This might also affect the situation. Germany's not so keen on being portrayed as the colonial nightmare, and the Dayaks and their nearby patrons would be a good way of publicizing that. It might be another nail in the coffin of German exploitative colonialism if, after the nightmares of Central Africa and the Congo, it's revealed things still aren't much better in New Guinea.Hmmm. Interesting. I've mentioned that the Germans are recruiting Solomon Islanders as loggers and colonial police, but they wouldn't have the rubber collecting skills. For that, the Germans would need Dayaks (or people from Kamerun, but the Dayaks would be cheaper to transport). If they do show up in significant numbers, that could be where the Nusantaran cultural influence comes from. And they certainly wouldn't be easy to push around, both because they're used to having rights and because they have nearby patrons who actually give a damn about them.