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Shevek23

Othyrsyde, the tears flowing down my face are the same ones Jonathan's posts can elicit. It fits right in, and this is more the sort of USA I could hope for--assuming the gruvearbeidere can progress and prevail.

And I see no reason they cannot.

I'm going on the road, on a family trip, tomorrow morning, preparing for it now, I don't know if I'll have time or Internet access where I'm going, so that's where I'll be for the upcoming week, until next Tuesday.
 
St. Just

St. Just

A great- and very diverse- guest update. Surprised TTL US allowed that amount of diversity in immigration, but the update very much captured the spirit of the TL.
 
Sulemain

Sulemain

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A fantastic update in the spirit of this timeline; it's great to see such a cultural mixing, where identities are blurred and ethnicities mixed.
 
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Shevek23

eliphas8 said:
I have to ask, what happened to Granddady Gene Debs ITTL?
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Doing my trademark belated and skimpy research, I'm shocked to see he was born in 1855, just half a generation after the POD and by this timeline's moderate butterfly standards well able to be very nearly the exact same man. He'd be right in the middle of the formation of the Populist alliance with labor I suppose. A big wheel on the more radical side of more or less legitimate politics, veering over the line to outlaw status from time to time and pushing hard to legitimate working-class politics by pushing standards toward tolerance of more radicalism, I suppose. A lot of people would love him, a lot would hate him. OTL he died in 1926 and I suppose his life would be comparably stressful here and so he'd be dead by now. But maybe he dies with more satisfaction at what was accomplished, if perhaps still hoping fervently for a lot more?

I suppose his identity with OTL self would be closer than say this timeline's Wells with our HG; more distinct from it than this timeline's Woodrow Wilson.
 

Jord839

Well, dammit, that was amazing. Way to go othyrside. It's enjoyable to see just how much these rural areas have been affected by a much bigger diversity in the immigrant population. The writing was also great and fit with the timeline really well.

I'd been planning to write a similar style guest post a ways back, but never managed to get it off the ground, and this one beat the hell out of what I could do anyway.
 
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Jonathan Edelstein

Jonathan Edelstein

I'll add my voice to the chorus - it's wonderful how everyone's stories are blending, and how some of the events of earlier in TTL are passing into legend.

The US' racial diversity: The coalition of interests that passed the racial exclusion acts in OTL were somewhat different in TTL, with the post-Civil War need for labor taking precedence, so Asians were never kept out and West Africans found their way in through intermarriage with South Carolina trading families. There have been bouts of racial panic, but as long as the flow of non-European immigrants has been relatively modest, the panic hasn't caught fire. And as in OTL, mountain people have gravitated to the mountains - for instance, one of the largest Nepali communities in the OTL United States is in the Colorado Rockies.

Debs: I believe I've mentioned that he was a pro-labor Indiana state legislator in TTL. I'd guess that he became one of the founders of the Farmer-Labor party and is on its left wing, occasionally flirting with outright socialism, and that he's probably served in Congress or even as a cabinet secretary in one of the F-L administrations.
 

othyrsyde

Thanks everyone, I'm really glad y'all liked it. Just threw that together over the weekend, especially since the TL is going to be moving into the 1940s now. At first I wasn't intending to make all the connections to the earlier events, but it just flowed together as I was doing research and writing. Came out to be a nice look at how Malê Rising's ideologies, heroes, and other butterflies have effected a very specific area of the world. And I'm glad it fits with the overall themes and feel of Jonathan's work too - that to me is about revolution, positive change, and a more even and inclusive globalization, but how this only comes about through lots of struggle and hope, with a dash of mysticism thrown in. It was something I really kept in mind when writing it out.

It's an honor and very humbling to help add to his world, and that everyone so far likes it.:D​
 
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danmac

Great update Othyrsyde, I think the highest compliment I can pay it is that feels like JE's narrative updates.

If Minnesota's Iron Range is this diverse ITTL then I would love to see TTL's New York City especially Brooklyn.
 

TFSmith121

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This is a fascinating piece of work;

This is a fascinating piece of work, on multiple multiple levels.

The recent section on the miners could be a ATL version of Matewan...I'm waiting to see who turns out to be Sid Hatfield.

Of course, it could also be an ATL version of Blair Mountain, Lehigh Valley, and Ludlow...

Anyway, nicely done to the OP author and collaborators.

Best,
 
Aozhouhuaren

Aozhouhuaren

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I've regrettably been neglecting to read this timeline for quite a while. No longer! I have to get back into the swing of things!

Othyrsyde, your update was brilliant by the way. I enjoyed reading it. You really have a gift for writing! :D
 

twovultures

eliphas8 said:
My mom has traces of it. And she's from the white part of Minneapolis.
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Yeah, while no one in MN actually talks exactly like that, they will occasionally sprinkle in a "you becha" and that distinctive Fargo 'o' sound is noticeable (it may be more noticeable to outsiders than people in Minnesota). I actually picked up the accent to a degree after 4 years of college in MN, as did many of my classmates.

I also say "o ya", but that was before moving to Minnesota because I had a Swedish friend who said it and I thought it sounded cool.
 
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