Hopefully less scandal for Queen Victoria, love the TL though.
List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II
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Thanks. And with Victoria beign only the consort she'll cause less scandals. And Albert will make an excellent king beign known to history as King Albert the Good/Founder.
Plus with ALbert truly in charge the family is much closer, in addition to his heir beign trusted in both the military and affairs of goverment.
And hemophilia will not cause the same devastating repercussions as in OTL since belgium is less likely to spread it far and wide as UK did
Nice names. But British Royal Family would not use the name of John for any royal sons. That name was discontinued as royal name after George V's youngest son, Prince John, died at 13 years old in 1919. Also, George V's youngest brother, Prince Alexander John, died one day after his birth in 1871. British Royal Family was badly scarred by those two tragedies, so there is no way that John would be used for any royal son, especially the future king. OTL, Diana wanted to use John for one of her sons(I don't know which one), only to be told that the name wasn't allowed to be used for the royal sons, something like that.
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Charles Windsor m. Diana Spencer(a)
1a. Margaret Alexandra Diana b. 1982 m. Simon Abney Hastings[1]
2. Elizabeth Charlotte Katherine b. 1984 m. George Clooney
1. Dynastic marriage.
1a. Margaret Alexandra Diana b. 1982 m. Simon Abney Hastings[1]
2. Elizabeth Charlotte Katherine b. 1984 m. George Clooney
1. Dynastic marriage.
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A Valois Bohemia (potentially for my TL):
Charles II, King of Bohemia [1471 [1]-1502] (1446-1502) m: 1471 Ludmila of Poděbrady (1456-1503)
[1] elected in succession to George of Podiebrady. His children's names are in French because they would still be French princes du sang (Charles VIII survives or leaves surviving issue)
[2] I've seen this title crop up a few times for princes of Bohemia, from the Luxembourgs all the way to Prince Rupert's eldest brother who was styled this during his father's tenure as king of Bohemia
[3] while a Spanish or English match would likely be tempting, Jeanne only having one surviving brother would give the Habsburgs a chance to inherit Bohemia peacefully
[4] marriage arranged by her grandfather as a Habsburg proxy
[5] only child of Albrecht of Munsterberg, Prince of Oels and his wife, Salomea of Sagan. After both her paternal uncles die without issue, Ursula is left as the sole surviving heiress of Heinrich of Podebrady, Duke of Munsterberg and his wife, Ursula of Brandenburg. The marriage serves both to increase the royal holdings within Bohemia and expand their connections in Silesia. Nobody's particularly happy about this (particularly Margaret of Austria, who had wanted her son to marry better), but Emperor Maximilian is relieved because it means he doesn't have to worry about his Bohemian grandson making a foreign alliance to challenge his uncle/cousins
[6] son of Zygmunt Stary and Katharina of Mecklenburg
@Jan Olbracht @Zygmunt Stary @isabella @Nuraghe @material_boy @Fehérvári @King of Danes
Charles II, King of Bohemia [1471 [1]-1502] (1446-1502) m: 1471 Ludmila of Poděbrady (1456-1503)
Charles, Margrave of Lusatia [2] (1475-1481)
Jeanne (b.1476) m: 1495 Philipp of Austria, Duke of Burgundy [3] (b.1478)
Charles, Archduke of Austria (b.1499) m: 1514 Mary of England (b.1496)
Maximilian, Archduke of Austria (b.1502) m: 1515 Erzsébet of Hungary (b.1505)
Eleonore (b.1503) m: 1515 Istvan VI, King of Hungary (b.1502)
Marie (b.1506) m: ?
Isabella (b.1508) m: ?
Margarethe (b.1510) m: 1533 Zygmunt II, King of Poland, Grand Duke of Lithuania [6] (b.1512)
Louis I, King of Bohemia [from 1502] (b.1480) m: 1495 Margaret of Austria (b.1480)
Marguerite (b.1499) m: 1515 Christian II, King of Denmark [4] (b.1481)
Charles, Margrave of Lusatia (b.1500) m: 1513 Ursula, Princess of Oels, Duchess of Zagan [5] (b.1498)
Marie (b.1504) m: ?
Anne (b.1507)
Bonne (b.1482) m: 1501 Vladislaus II, King of Hungary (1456-1516)
Istvan VI, King of Hungary (b.1502) m: 1515 Eleonore of Austria (b.1503)
Erzsébet (b.1505) m: 1515 Maximilian, Archduke of Austria (b.1502)
[illegitimate by Colette de Chambes] Jeanne (b.1470) m: 1480 Casimir II, Duke of Teschen (1449-1528)
[illegitimate by Colette de Chambes] Anne (b.1471) m: 1482 Jan II, Duke of Opole, Głogówek, Racibórz, Niemodlin, Strzelce, Prudnik, Biała, Krapkowice, Olesno, Lubliniec, Gliwice, Toszek, Bytom, Koźle, Rybnik, Żory (1460-1532)
[1] elected in succession to George of Podiebrady. His children's names are in French because they would still be French princes du sang (Charles VIII survives or leaves surviving issue)
[2] I've seen this title crop up a few times for princes of Bohemia, from the Luxembourgs all the way to Prince Rupert's eldest brother who was styled this during his father's tenure as king of Bohemia
[3] while a Spanish or English match would likely be tempting, Jeanne only having one surviving brother would give the Habsburgs a chance to inherit Bohemia peacefully
[4] marriage arranged by her grandfather as a Habsburg proxy
[5] only child of Albrecht of Munsterberg, Prince of Oels and his wife, Salomea of Sagan. After both her paternal uncles die without issue, Ursula is left as the sole surviving heiress of Heinrich of Podebrady, Duke of Munsterberg and his wife, Ursula of Brandenburg. The marriage serves both to increase the royal holdings within Bohemia and expand their connections in Silesia. Nobody's particularly happy about this (particularly Margaret of Austria, who had wanted her son to marry better), but Emperor Maximilian is relieved because it means he doesn't have to worry about his Bohemian grandson making a foreign alliance to challenge his uncle/cousins
[6] son of Zygmunt Stary and Katharina of Mecklenburg
@Jan Olbracht @Zygmunt Stary @isabella @Nuraghe @material_boy @Fehérvári @King of Danes
WIP as always, another version for the POD by @Jan Olbracht “What if Ferdinand I of Austria was sterile?”
Philip I, King of Castile (1478-1506) married Joanna, Queen of Castile and Aragon (b. 1479) in 1496
Francis I, King of France (1494-1547) married a) Claude of France, Duchess of Brittany (1499-1524) in 1514, b) Isabella of Poland (b. 1519) in 1532
*son of Francis II, Duke of Milan by Margherita Paleologa, Marquise of Montferrat (who married in 1528)
Philip I, King of Castile (1478-1506) married Joanna, Queen of Castile and Aragon (b. 1479) in 1496
- Eleanor (b. 1498) married a) Manuel I, King of Portugal (1469-1521) in 1518, b) Frederick II, Elector Palatine (b. 1485) in 1526
- a) Maria (b. 1521) married ?
- b) Philip II, Elector Palatine (b. 1527) married ?
- b) Margaret (b. 1528) married William, Duke of Julich-Cleves-Berg (b. 1515)
- b) Eleanor (b. 1530) married John George, Elector of Brandenburg (b. 1525)
- b) Isabella (b. 1531) married Albert V, Duke of Bavaria (b. 1528)
- b) Charles (b. 1533)
- Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1500) married Isabella of Portugal (1503-1539) in 1526
- Philip II, King of Spain (b. 1527) married a) Maria Manuela of Portugal (1527-1545) in 1543, b) ?
- Maria (b. 1528) married ?
- Ferdinand II, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1529) married ?
- Joanna (b. 1535) married John Manuel, Prince of Portugal (1537-1554) in 1552
- Sebastian I, King of Portugal (b. 1554)
- John, King of Hungary and Poland (b. 1537) married Elisabeth Magdalena of Brandenburg (b. 1538)
- Isabella (1501-1526) married Christian II, King of Denmark, Sweden and Norway (b. 1481) in 1514,
- John II, King of England (b. 1518) married Mary I, Queen of England (b. 1516) in 1545 with issue
- Dorothea (b. 1520) married a) Francis III, Duke of Brittany (1518-1536) in 1528 without issue
- Kristina (b. 1521) married Francis I, Duke of Lorraine (b. 1517) with issue
- Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1503) married Anne of Bohemia and Hungary (b. 1503) in 1521 without issue
- Mary (b. 1505) married Louis II, King of Hungary and Bohemia (1506-1526) in 1515 without issue
- Catherine (b. 1507) married John III, King of Portugal (b. 1502) with issue
Francis I, King of France (1494-1547) married a) Claude of France, Duchess of Brittany (1499-1524) in 1514, b) Isabella of Poland (b. 1519) in 1532
- a) Louise (1515-1518)
- a) Charlotte (1516-1524)
- a) Francis III, Duke of Brittany (1518-1536) married Dorothea of Denmark (b. 1520) in 1528 without issue
- a) Henry II, King of France (b. 1519) married a) Catherine de’ Medici (b. 1518) in 1533 ann 1540, b) ?
- a) Madeleine (b. 1520) married James V, King of Scotland (b. 1512) with issue
- a) Charles, Duke d’Orleans (1522-1545)
- a) Marguerite (b. 1523) married Sigismund II, King of Poland (b. 1520) without issue
- b) Isabella (b. 1534) married Ludovico II, Duke of Milan (b. 1530)*
- b) Marie (b. 1536) married Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Savoy (b. 1528)
- b) Louis, Duke of Angouleme (1537-1550)
- b) John, Duke of Anjou (1540-1548)
*son of Francis II, Duke of Milan by Margherita Paleologa, Marquise of Montferrat (who married in 1528)
Just for political reasons, that's a horrifying thought lol. Parliament might still kick him to the curb, not gonna lie. They'd all probably be begging for Wallis 😂
This one feels more plausible, not gonna lie. Debo would've made an excellent Queen, IMO, from my limited knowledge of her
And Hungary? He is not male line descendant of any Hungarian king, so Hungarians are free to elect anyone after death of childless Ferdinand.
And Habsburgs were disliked in Poland, so John needs really good claim to counter it.
At least Diana is fertile and not a divorcee? As long as she marries Edward rather than Guinness...
But yes, I agree, Debo is the more plausible, if either Elizabeth or Margaret of York had been born a boy.
And he's not even descendant of Anna Jagiellonica, daughter of Vladislaus II, so he doesn't have that bonus in election in either Hungary and Poland, Poles despite their overall anti-dynastic attitude are more likely to elect even John, bastard son of Sigismund I, if Sigismund II doesn't exist his father could legitimize him and make him Grand Duke of Lithuania without much of a fuss and marry him to Anna of Mazovia, which was seen by many of Mazovian nobles as rightful heiress of Mazovia so prospect of both Lithuania of Mazovia going away could be an incentive for Poles to elect John the bastard, John Habsburg doesn't have that bonus.
Must definitely. Until it became too risky for vicky to continue and a royal doctor forbade it, Plus with Albert still around victoria would have never fallen into a deep depression over his passing, and his own talents and affable nature would have made both the empire and their family have a better time and be more solid.
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Not only this. If Sigismund Augustus IS married to Margaret of France, who outlives him, he would never marry Barbara Radziwiłł and thus would avoid scandal and conflict with rest of his family, which means his sister should marry much earlier and he should have plenty of adult nephews by 1572.