List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II

[shimsham14]

I've been slooowwwly working on a little project if both Jadwiga and her sister Maria live full lives. So here is Jadwiga and her descendants at the beginning of 1426. And I chose to Latinize everything for those good medieval vibes; also ages, genders and dates were randomly chosen with dice

Hedvigis I Andegavina (18 Feb 1374 – 27 Sep 1437) By the grace of God, Queen of Polonia, Grand Duchess of Lithuania, Mistress and Heiress of the lands of Cracovia, Sandomiria, Siradia, Lancicia, Cuiavia, Pomerania, Galicia, Lodomeria, Prussia, and Russia
A) Married 18 Feb 1386: Ladislaus II Iagellonicus* (~1362 - 1 Jun 1443) By the grace of God, King of Polonia, Grand Duke of Lithuania, Master and Heir of the lands of Samogitia, Galicia, Lodomeria, Prussia, and Russia
1a) Elisabetha Bonifatia Iagellonica (22 Jun 1399 - 25 Aug 1468) Daughter of Polonia and Lithuania, Duchess of Pomerania-Stolpe and Pomerania-Stargardia
B)Married 1421: Boguslaus IX Gryphes (~1405 - 7 Dec 1446) Duke of Pomerania-Stolpe and Pomerania-Stargardia
1b) Duke Boguslaus Gryphes (Aug 1422 - 5 Aug 1424)
2b) Casimirus Gryphes (17 Aug 1425 - 10 Nov 1483) Hereditary Duke of Pomerania-Stolpe and Pomerania-Stargardia
2a) Ladislaus Iagellonicus (27 Jul 1401 - 12 Apr 1437) Crown Prince of Polonia and Lithuania
C)Married 8 Jun 1419: Elisabetha Luxemburgica** (31 Jan 1399 - 22 Sep 1470) Crown Princess of Polonia and Lithuania, Princess of Bohemia, Daughter of Hungaria, Dalmatia, Croatia, Rama, Servia, Galicia, Lodomeria, and Cumania
1c) Hedvigis Iagellonica (19 Jul 1420 - 5 Sep 1426) Daughter of Polonia and Lithuania
2c) Katerina Iagellonica (13 Oct 1421 - 4 Apr 1429) Daughter of Polonia and Lithuania
3c) Ludovicus Iagellonicus (13 Oct 1421 - 29 Jan 1423) Son of Polonia and Lithuania
4c) Barbara Iagellonica*** (22 Mar 1424 - 4 Aug 1495) Daughter of Polonia and Lithuania
3a) Katerina Iagellonica (24 Jun 1407 - 22 Jun 1467) Daughter of Polonia and Lithuania
D)Married 16 Dec 1424: Casimirus II Piastus**** (1401/1403 - 15 Sep 1442) Hereditary Duke of Plocia, Rava, Gostinia, Sohacevia, Belzia, Plonsia, Zavcria and Viznia

*He also has a couple bastards running around, but neither of them have super interesting lives
**Not the one from OTL, ITTL she is Maria's third child with Sigismund, gotta love that Papal dispensation
***If you look carefully at the dates she will be the second Queen regnant for Poland in the future
****This OTL jerk has too many brothers and I cannot tell for the life of me why they all waited to marry for so long

 

[Salma Amer]

Maud of Lancaster (b. 1340–d. 1362) m William I, Duke of Bavaria Count of Hainaut, Holland and Zeeland (b.1330-d.1389)

Matilda (b. 1356-1418) m Edward, Duke of Guelders (b.1336-d.1371)​

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William II, Duke of Bavaria, Count of Hainaut, Holland and Zeeland (b. 1358-1427) m Bonne de Valois (b. 1358–d. 1433) with issues​

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Matilda (b. 1375–d. 1426) m John the Fearless (b.1371-d.1419) with issues​

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William III, Duke of Bavaria, Count of Hainaut, Netherlands and Zeeland (b. 1377–d. 1437) m Margaret of Burgundy (b.1374-d.1441) with issues​

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Bonne (b. 1380-d. 1440) m Albert IV, Duke of Austria (b.1377-1404) with issues​

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[marcinL]

AU where each Jagiellon has exactly one surviving son, reusing otl Jagiellon names. Second and third wives, daughters, illegitimate children, morganatic marriages, stillborn and died in infancy children not included, but they were out there...

Władysław Jagiełło (1352-1434), King of Poland and Supreme Duke of Lithuania m. Jadwiga Andegaweńska (1372-1399)
- Władysław III the Chivalrous (1) (1399-1422), King of Poland (1399-1422) m. (1420) Elizabeth of Brandenburg (1403-1449)
-- Kazimierz IV the Crusader (2) (1422-1444), King of Poland (1422-1444), and Supreme Duke of Lithuania (1434-1444) m. (1440) Catherine of Austria
--- Kazimierz V the Iron (3) (1441-1506), King of Poland and Supreme Duke of Lithuania (1444-1506) m. (1470) Anne of Moscow
---- Władysław IV the Good (4) (1471-1531), King of Poland and Supreme Duke of Lithuania (1486-1531) m. (1505) Anne de Foix
----- Kazimierz VI the Saint (5) (1506-1532), King of Poland and Supreme Duke of Lithuania (1506-1532) m. (1525) Renee of France
------ Jan the Warmonger (6) (1528-1570), King of Poland and Supreme Duke of Lithuania (1531-1570) m. (1555) Catherine of Austria
------- Aleksander the Boring (7) (1556-1601), King of Poland and Supreme Duke of Lithuania (1570-1601) m. (1588) Sophie of Brandenburg
-------- Zygmunt I the Old (8) (1590-1671), King of Poland and Supreme Duke of Lithuania (1601-1671), m (1620), Elizabeth of France
--------- Fryderyk the Lustful (9) (1640-1676), King of Poland and Supreme Duke of Lithuania (1655-1676), m. (1669) Eleonora of Austria
---------- Ludwik the Fool (10) (1670-1696), King of Poland and Supreme Duke of Lithuania (1676-1696), m. (1696) Louise of Brandenburg
----------- Zygmunt II the Orphan (11) (1697-1749), King of Poland and Supreme Duke of Lithuania (1697-1749), m. (1729) Elizabeth of Russia
------------ Albert the Last (12) (1730-1800), King of Poland and Lithuania (1745-1800), m. (1760) Christina of Austria

(1) The only child of Władysław and Jadwiga, a great knight, died shot by a bombard in an - until that moment - very minor war with the Teutonic Order. The delight of Poland, loved and respected by all estates son of the famous for miracles mother and a first prince born in Poland in 90 years; Poles and Lithuanians didn't took his death well. The punitive war destroyed the Teutonic Order, with not a single brother of the order present in Prussia surviving the war. In the aftermath, Poles annexed the Pomerania wholesale and divided Prussia with Lithuanians. The Livonians in the meantime were very busy looking the other way and pretending they have never known those people from Marienburg and Konigsberg. Because of the particularities of Polish crown, he had been crowned King of Poland in the cradle, soon after his mother's death, and had taken active role as the co-regent after his 15th birthday.

(2) Being born mere weeks before his father's death, he likewise was crowned in the cradle. Likewise famous for martial prowess, he participated in the crusade against Turks, helping his relative the King of Hungary. In the great battle of Varna, Polish knights broke the ranks of the Janissaries and greatly helped to obliterate the Ottoman army, however both the King and the Sultan have been slain (according to popular legend - they killed each other). Before leaving for his crusade he made sure to crown his son the co-regent.

(3) Raised and abused by regents, relatives, advisors and other parasites at the Wawel Castle, while the country was falling into misrule, Kazimierz has grown into a shrewd and vindicative person, though not lacking in charisma. His regency was abolished by the plot of young knights led by him, who slaughtered the governing clique and their various supporters, and everyone who enriched themselves on the crown lands and the like. It is said he beheaded more people than all other Polish kings put together. The base of his power were the lower estates, and they generally had way better opinion of his rule than magnates (very few of whom survived it, but were rather vocal in condemning him, through preferably from couple countries away, and apparently they were better chronicle-writers than the commoners). It was him who laid the foundations of the future power of Poland, creating effective state apparatus, standing army, supporting the growth of cities, trade and manufacturing, supporting education, beginning the colonization of Ukraine and the like, though for the aristocracy dominated world, he was infamous for promising to chop of the head of anyone who would dare to gather the property of value exceeding 100,000 ducats.

(4) Called the Dull by his contemporaries, and spending most of his independent tenure under the regency first of his mother, then of his son. He was probably abused by his father, lacked social skills, and suffered from various social anxieties and phobias, spending most of his life in the Niepołomice castle, and caring for his gardens, stables, orchards and beehives - and writing down and publishing his observations, innovations and discoveries - which would form the base of the 16th century agrarian revolution in Poland and Lithuania.

(5) Famous for piety, though probably should have spent more time preaching to his wife. Or maybe less. Overall a talented administrator. Also lessened the despotism in Poland a little bit.

(6) For all his childhood, spent under the regency of his mother, Jan dreamt of being a victorious warrior-king. All his adult life he spent on realizing his dream, beating, and multiples times to that, Muscovy, Tatars, Turks, Moldavians, Sweden, Denmark, England - somehow - and looking very pointedly at Brandenburg and Austria - but the former pretended they didn't notice it, and the latter sent him a choice of princesses to pick one and invited him to take part in their own wars with France, Italians and Dutch ("Sorry, Mother, Cousin, family is family but war is war"), all of which he greatly enjoyed. He died relatively young but very well satisfied. During his rule Poland annexed Livonia, Estonia, and Jedysan, subjugated Moldavia, Wallachia, and the Crimean Khanate, ravaged the Ottoman Empire, and had much say in the politics of Russia, though His Grace himself was mostly interested if they were ready for another round. When offered the throne of Moscow, he refused, saying "Whom would I fight then?"

(7) He spent his rule on boring stuff, like consolidating his father conquests and tax policies.

(8) Likewise

(9) This one never worked a day in his life, and fornicated and drinked himself to an early grave. Fortunately, he didn't manage to ruin what his ancestors have built with great effort, though not for the lack of trying. The more respect to those boring kings who had spent their lives in chancellories and courts of justice.

(10) Lived a fool and died a fool. Fortunately, while young.

(11) Poor little orphan, born double-posthumously. Literally, he was cut off his dead mother's body. Another one of those boring kings, who spend their lives trying to make their subjects' lives somewhat less terrible. Famous for abolishing serfdom, torture and death penalty. Also partitioned the Crimean Khanate with Russia.

(12) The last legitimate male Jagiellon. And also the last male king of Poland. During his rule Poland-Lithuania transitioned to constitutional monarchy.

 

[FalconHonour]

Richard of York manages to marry Margaret Beaufort to Edmund Earl of Rutland in 1455-56. Edward, Earl of March is the York brother who dies at Sandal Castle.

Edmund I (1443-1497) m. Margaret Beaufort (b.1443)

• Richard, Prince of Wales (b.1460)
• Cecily of York (b.1463)
• Edward, Duke of York (b.1465)
• Miscarriage (1466)
• Margaret of York (b.1467)
• Anne of York (1469-1470)
• Edmund, Earl of Ulster (b.1471)
• Mary of York (1472-1475)
• John of York (1474)
• Ursula of York (b.1476)
• Stillborn daughter (1479)

 

[Dragonboy]

Love it, the White and Red roses coming together! Long live the Plantagenets!

 

[isabella]

Another WIP
POD is Anne of Brittany being luckier than OTL with children in her second marriage

Anne, Duchess of Brittany (1477-1532) married a) Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (1459-1519) in 1490 (ann 1492), b) Charles VIII, King of France (1470-1497) in 1491, c) Louis XII, King of France (1462-1515) in 1499

1. b) Charles Orland, Dauphin of France (1492-1495)
2. b) Francis (1493)
3. b) stillborn daughter (1495)
4. b) Charles, Dauphin of France (1496)
5. b) Francis, Dauphin of France (1497)
6. b) Anne of France (1498)
7. c) Claude of France (1499-1520) married Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1500) in 1515 with issue
8. c) Louis XIII, King of France (b. 1501) married Isabella of Austria (b. 1501) in 1516 with issue
9. c) Charles of France (1505)
10. c) Francis III, Duke of Brittany (b. 1510) married Elizabeth of England (b. 1515)

Joanna, Queen of Castile and Aragon (b. 1479) married Philip I, King of Castile (1479-1506) in 1496

1. Eleanor of Austria (b. 1498) married Henry VIII, King of England (b. 1491) in 1512 with issue
2. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1500) married a) Claude of France (1499-1520) in 1515, b) Isabella of Portugal (b. 1503) in 1521 with issue by both
3. Isabella of Austria (b. 1501) married Louis XIII, King of France (b. 1501) in 1516 with issue
4. Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1503) married Anna of Bohemia and Hungary (b. 1503) in 1521 with issue
5. Mary of Austria (b. 1505) married Louis II, King of Hungary (1506-1526) in 1515 without issue
6. Catherine of Austria (b. 1507) married John III, King of Portugal (b. 1502) in 1523 with issue

 

[Salma Amer]

Henry VII of England (b. 1457-d 1513) married Elizabeth of York (b. 1466-d 1523)

Arthur I, King of England (b. 1486-d. 1532) married Catherine of Aragon (b. 1485-d. 1542)​

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Arthur II of England (b. 1502-1558) married Eleanor of Austria (b. 1498-d. 1558)​

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Arthur III, King of England (b. 1518-?)m Elizabeth de Valois (b. 1519-?) with issues​

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Catherine (b. 1520-?) m Charles III, Duke of Lorraine and Bar (b. 1517-?) with issues​

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Charles, Duke of Bedford (b. 1521-?) m Anne Bourchier (b. 1517-?) with issues​

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Elizabeth (b. 1523-?) m Francesco Sfoza, Duke of Milan (b. 1519-?) with issues​

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Edmund, Duke of Suffolk (b. 1526-?) m Elizabeth Boleyn, Countess of Wiltshire (b. 1530-?) with issues​

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Joan (b. 1530-?) m Philip II of Spain (b. 1524-?) with issues​

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Stillborn child​

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Henry, Duke of Somerset (b. 1505-1547) married Elizabeth Gray Viscountess Lisle (b. 1505-d. 1558)​

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Arthur, Duke of Somerset (b. 1522-?) married Catherine Willoughby (b. 1519-?) with issues​

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Catherine (b. 1525-?) married Edward Courtenay, Earl of Devon (b. 1527-?) with issues​

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Elizabeth (b. 1530-?) married Algernon Percy, Earl of Northumbland (b. 1530-?) with issues​

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Elizabeth (b. 1507-d. 1530) married Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1500-d. 1558)​

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Philip II of Spain (b. 1524-?) married a) Maria Manuela of Portugal (b. 1527-d. 1545) and b) Joan of England (b. 1530-?) with issues​

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Ferdinand, Duke of Burgundy (b. 1526-?) m Anne of Lorraine (b. 1522-?) with issues with​

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Catherine (b. 1528-?) married Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor and King of Bohemia and Hungary (b. 1527-?) with issues​

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Isabella (b. 1530-?) married Manuel II of Portugal (b. 1531-?) with issues​

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Edward, Duke of Richmond (b. 1509-1549) married Elizabeth Willoughby, Baroness Willoughby de Broke (b. 1512-d. 1562)​

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Arthur, Duke of Richmond (b. 1530-?) married Anne Percy (b. 1532-?) with issues​

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Catherine (b. 1533-?) married Arthur Grey, Marquess of Droste (b. 1535-?) with issues​

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Elizabeth (b. 1536-?) married Arthur Clevord, 3rd Earl of Comberald (b. 1536-?) with issues​

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Catherine (b. 1511–d. 1520)​

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Stillborn son​

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Stillborn daughter​

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Mary (b. 1516-1578) married Wilhelm, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (b. 1516-d. 1592)​

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Catherine (b. 1533-?) married Archduke Ferdinand of Tyrol (b. 1529-?) with issues​

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Karl Friedrich, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (b. 1535-?) m Catherine of Austria (b. 1533-?) with issues​

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Maria (b. 1537-?) m Henry, Duke of Anjou (b. 1537-?) with issues​

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Anna (b. 1542-?) m Henry, Duke of Bourbon (b. 1540-?) with issues​

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Stillborn daughter​

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Margaret (b. 1489-d. 1541) m James IV of Scotland (b. 1473-1529) with issues​

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James V of Scotland (b. 1507-?) married a) Anne de Valois (b. 1509-d. 1527) and b) Elizabeth of York (b. 1511-?) with issues​

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Margaret (b. 1508-?) married Henry, Duke of York (b. 1508-?) with issues​

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Arthur, Duke of Ross (b. 1509-?) married Anne of Cleves (b. 1515-?) with issues​

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Alexander, Earl of Mar (b. 1512-d.1535) m Marie of Bourbon (b. 1515–d. 1535)With female issue​

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Elizabeth (b. 1515-?) m Charles, Duke of Berry (b. 1514-?) with issues​

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Henry, Duke of York (b. 1491-d 1547) married Marguerite de Angoulême (b. 1492-d 1551)​

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Henry, Duke of York (b. 1508-?) married Margaret Stuart (b. 1508-?) with issues​

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Elizabeth (b. 1511-?) married James V of Scotland (b. 1507-?) with issues​

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Margaret (b. 1513-?) married Edward Stanley, 3rd Earl of Derby (b. 1509-?) with issues​

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Louise (b. 1516-?) married Arthur Clevord, Earl of Cumberald (b. 1517-?) with issues​

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Francis, Earl of Cambridge (b. 1518-?) married Catherine Howard (b. 1523-?) with issues​

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Elizabeth (b. 1492-d. 1552) m) Charles IX of France (b. 1492-d. 1520)​

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Anne (b. 1509-d. 1527) married James V of Scotland (b. 1507-?) with female issue​

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Stillborn daughter​

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Stillborn son​

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Henry II of France (b. 1512-?) married Maria of Portugal (b. 1513-?) with issues​

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Charles, Duke of Berry 1514-?) m Elizabeth Stewart (b. 1515-?) with issues​

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Louis, Duke of Anjou (b. 1517-?) married Anne Stuart of Albany (b. 1519-?) with issues​

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Elizabeth (b. 1519-?) married Arthur III of England (b. 1518-?) with issues​

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Marie (b. 1496-1546) married Christian II, King of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden (b. 1481-1534)​

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John II, King of Denmark, Norway and Sweden (b. 1514-?) married Hedwig of Poland (b. 1513-?) with issues​

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Christina (b. 1515-?) m Frederick II, Elector Palatine (b. 1482-d 1556) with issues​

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Stillborn daughter​

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Stillborn son​

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Edmund, Duke of Somerset (b. 1499-d. 1500)​

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[Kellan Sullivan]

Maud of Lancaster (b. 1340–d. 1362) m William I, Duke of Bavaria Count of Hainaut, Holland and Zeeland (b.1330-d.1389)

Matilda (b. 1356-1418) m Edward, Duke of Guelders (b.1336-d.1371)​

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William II, Duke of Bavaria, Count of Hainaut, Holland and Zeeland (b. 1358-1427) m Bonne de Valois (b. 1358–d. 1433) with issues​

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Matilda (b. 1375–d. 1426) m John the Fearless (b.1371-d.1419) with issues​

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William III, Duke of Bavaria, Count of Hainaut, Netherlands and Zeeland (b. 1377–d. 1437) m Margaret of Burgundy (b.1374-d.1441) with issues​

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Bonne (b. 1380-d. 1440) m Albert IV, Duke of Austria (b.1377-1404) with issues​

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Joanna (b. 1383–d. 1445) m​

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this would have interesting effects, since John of Gaunt wouldn't be getting the whole Lancastrian inheritance. In fact, Richard II would do well to indulge William II's pretensions to the inheritances as an act of rebellion against his uncle. As to the marriage partners, I very much doubt Willem II would get a Valois bride. Would make more sense if- using the prior Richard II-John dynamic, Richard's half-sister Maud Holand (who married into the Low Countries OTL as well) were to marry there as an English proxy.

The Burgundian matches for his daughters can work, although there'd be no reason to allow Bonne to marry Albrecht IV since while OTL, a Wittelsbach bride made sense for him due to the proximity to his own lands in Austria, Bonne wouldn't have those. More likely (IMO) that she and her sister wind up in either the Palatinate (a bride for Henry IV's OTL son-in-law) or Württemberg

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

Okay, I know this is ASB, but just bear with me.

There is no Act of Union and Scotland chooses to accept James Francis Edward Stuart as King rather than George I, who gets England.

James VIII of Scotland (1688-1766) m. 1715 Louise Adelaide of Orleans (1698-1740)

1) Louis James, Duke of Rothesay (b.1717)

2) Mary Henrietta (1718-1723)

3) Louisa Charlotte (b.1720)

4) Charles Phillip, Duke of Albany (b.1722)

5) Miscarriage (1723)

6) Mary Elizabeth (b.1726)

7) Stillborn son (1729)

8) Henrietta Anne (b.1732)

I see and I raise you:

James III, King of England, France & Ireland [from 1714[1]], King of Scots [from 1708 [2]] (b.1688) m: 1710 Charlotte Christine of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel [3] (b.1694)

Charles George [4], Prince of Wales (b.1711)​

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Mary Beatrice (b.1712)​

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Stillborn Son (1714)​

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Louisa Anne (b.1717)​

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James Joseph, Duke of Albemarle [5] (b.1718)​

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Stillborn Daughter (1720)​

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Edward (1722-1724)​

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Elizabeth Charlotte (b.1724)​

Joseph I, Holy Roman Emperor, King of Bohemia [from 1705], King of Hungary [from 1687] (b.1679) 1m: 1699 Wilhelmine Amalie of Brunswick-Lüneburg (1673-1711[6]); 2m: 1712 Louisa Maria of England, Scotland & Ireland [7] (b.1692)

[1m.] Maria Josepha (b.1699) m: 1714 [8] Felipe V, King of Spain (b.1683)​

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[1m.] Leopold Joseph (1700-1701)​

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[1m.] Maria Amalie (b.1701)​

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[2m.] Leopold Ludwig, King of the Romans (b.1713)​

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[2m.] Eleonore Maria Beatrice (b.1714)​

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[2m.] Philipp Jakob (b.1716)​

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[2m.] Stillborn Daughter (1718)​

[1] it's going to be very difficult for England to uphold the Act of Settlement/Georgian succession with James only being separated by the Tweed.
[2] restored in a successful 1708 Rising. This also causes England to bail earlier on the War of the Spanish Succession to deal with problems at home
[3] OTL wife of Alexei Petrovich of Russia. Her dad basically took a coin and flipped it between Carl XII and Alexei. Here, James goes for a Protestant match to "soothe fears" at home. Also, Charlotte likely avoids the pox in 1711 (the scars from which was the main (physical) reason Alexei found her unattractive), so if she's a stunner like her sister, Elisabeth Christine, England gets a hot queen. Not sure who Alexei marries TTL, probably a Courland girl or the Saxe-Zeitz option that Pyotr was also looking at OTL
[4] for Queen Anne's late husband as well as England's patron saint
[5] to avoid the obvious comparison of a "Charles, Prince of Wales" and "James, Duke of York", Albemarle, for James' late half-brother, the nephew of John Churchill is chosen.
[6]she dies instead of her husband
[7] obviously she survives. And marries Joe with French backing- although James originally arranges the marriage to get out from accusations of being a French puppet- thanks to the fact that France has no "royal" options aside from the Regent's daughters.
[8] this was basically the match Louis XIV was pushing for OTL but the Habsburgs kept trying to palm off Joseph's sister. The Princesse des Ursins liking neither option, resorted to La Farnese. Here, the Habsburgs are a bit more...agreeable to Maria Josepha becoming queen of Spain as part of the peace settlement, both thanks to her half-brother being born and because La Farnese lost a fight with a fishbone during Lent 1714. Everybody in Italy does their level best to look sad.

@VVD0D95 @isabella @Nuraghe @eliamartin65 @Jan Olbracht

 

[eliamartin65]

I see and I raise you:

James III, King of England, France & Ireland [from 1714[1]], King of Scots [from 1708 [2]] (b.1688) m: 1710 Charlotte Christine of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel [3] (b.1694)

Charles George [4], Prince of Wales (b.1711)​

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Mary Beatrice (b.1712)​

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Stillborn Son (1714)​

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Louisa Anne (b.1717)​

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James Joseph, Duke of Albemarle [5] (b.1718)​

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Stillborn Daughter (1720)​

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Edward (1722-1724)​

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Elizabeth Charlotte (b.1724)​

Joseph I, Holy Roman Emperor, King of Bohemia [from 1705], King of Hungary [from 1687] (b.1679) 1m: 1699 Wilhelmine Amalie of Brunswick-Lüneburg (1673-1711[6]); 2m: 1712 Louisa Maria of England, Scotland & Ireland [7] (b.1692)

[1m.] Maria Josepha (b.1699) m: 1714 [8] Felipe V, King of Spain (b.1683)​

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[1m.] Leopold Joseph (1700-1701)​

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[1m.] Maria Amalie (b.1701)​

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[2m.] Leopold Ludwig, King of the Romans (b.1713)​

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[2m.] Eleonore Maria Beatrice (b.1714)​

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[2m.] Philipp Jakob (b.1716)​

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[2m.] Stillborn Daughter (1718)​

[1] it's going to be very difficult for England to uphold the Act of Settlement/Georgian succession with James only being separated by the Tweed.
[2] restored in a successful 1708 Rising. This also causes England to bail earlier on the War of the Spanish Succession to deal with problems at home
[3] OTL wife of Alexei Petrovich of Russia. Her dad basically took a coin and flipped it between Carl XII and Alexei. Here, James goes for a Protestant match to "soothe fears" at home. Also, Charlotte likely avoids the pox in 1711 (the scars from which was the main (physical) reason Alexei found her unattractive), so if she's a stunner like her sister, Elisabeth Christine, England gets a hot queen. Not sure who Alexei marries TTL, probably a Courland girl or the Saxe-Zeitz option that Pyotr was also looking at OTL
[4] for Queen Anne's late husband as well as England's patron saint
[5] to avoid the obvious comparison of a "Charles, Prince of Wales" and "James, Duke of York", Albemarle, for James' late half-brother, the nephew of John Churchill is chosen.
[6]she dies instead of her husband
[7] obviously she survives. And marries Joe with French backing- although James originally arranges the marriage to get out from accusations of being a French puppet- thanks to the fact that France has no "royal" options aside from the Regent's daughters.
[8] this was basically the match Louis XIV was pushing for OTL but the Habsburgs kept trying to palm off Joseph's sister. The Princesse des Ursins liking neither option, resorted to La Farnese. Here, the Habsburgs are a bit more...agreeable to Maria Josepha becoming queen of Spain as part of the peace settlement, both thanks to her half-brother being born and because La Farnese lost a fight with a fishbone during Lent 1714. Everybody in Italy does their level best to look sad.

@VVD0D95 @isabella @Nuraghe @eliamartin65 @Jan Olbracht

I like this one.....

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

I like this one.....

thank you

 

[eliamartin65]

thank you

All your trees rock.

 

[VVD0D95]

I see and I raise you:

James III, King of England, France & Ireland [from 1714[1]], King of Scots [from 1708 [2]] (b.1688) m: 1710 Charlotte Christine of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel [3] (b.1694)

Charles George [4], Prince of Wales (b.1711)​

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Mary Beatrice (b.1712)​

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Stillborn Son (1714)​

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Louisa Anne (b.1717)​

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James Joseph, Duke of Albemarle [5] (b.1718)​

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Stillborn Daughter (1720)​

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Edward (1722-1724)​

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Elizabeth Charlotte (b.1724)​

Joseph I, Holy Roman Emperor, King of Bohemia [from 1705], King of Hungary [from 1687] (b.1679) 1m: 1699 Wilhelmine Amalie of Brunswick-Lüneburg (1673-1711[6]); 2m: 1712 Louisa Maria of England, Scotland & Ireland [7] (b.1692)

[1m.] Maria Josepha (b.1699) m: 1714 [8] Felipe V, King of Spain (b.1683)​

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[1m.] Leopold Joseph (1700-1701)​

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[1m.] Maria Amalie (b.1701)​

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[2m.] Leopold Ludwig, King of the Romans (b.1713)​

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[2m.] Eleonore Maria Beatrice (b.1714)​

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[2m.] Philipp Jakob (b.1716)​

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[2m.] Stillborn Daughter (1718)​

[1] it's going to be very difficult for England to uphold the Act of Settlement/Georgian succession with James only being separated by the Tweed.
[2] restored in a successful 1708 Rising. This also causes England to bail earlier on the War of the Spanish Succession to deal with problems at home
[3] OTL wife of Alexei Petrovich of Russia. Her dad basically took a coin and flipped it between Carl XII and Alexei. Here, James goes for a Protestant match to "soothe fears" at home. Also, Charlotte likely avoids the pox in 1711 (the scars from which was the main (physical) reason Alexei found her unattractive), so if she's a stunner like her sister, Elisabeth Christine, England gets a hot queen. Not sure who Alexei marries TTL, probably a Courland girl or the Saxe-Zeitz option that Pyotr was also looking at OTL
[4] for Queen Anne's late husband as well as England's patron saint
[5] to avoid the obvious comparison of a "Charles, Prince of Wales" and "James, Duke of York", Albemarle, for James' late half-brother, the nephew of John Churchill is chosen.
[6]she dies instead of her husband
[7] obviously she survives. And marries Joe with French backing- although James originally arranges the marriage to get out from accusations of being a French puppet- thanks to the fact that France has no "royal" options aside from the Regent's daughters.
[8] this was basically the match Louis XIV was pushing for OTL but the Habsburgs kept trying to palm off Joseph's sister. The Princesse des Ursins liking neither option, resorted to La Farnese. Here, the Habsburgs are a bit more...agreeable to Maria Josepha becoming queen of Spain as part of the peace settlement, both thanks to her half-brother being born and because La Farnese lost a fight with a fishbone during Lent 1714. Everybody in Italy does their level best to look sad.

@VVD0D95 @isabella @Nuraghe @eliamartin65 @Jan Olbracht

Interesting does louos not want a granddaughter married to James? Albermale works if the Earl exchanges the title for something else I think.

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

thank you

we get surviving Habsburgs, restored Stuarts, no Farnese mess and potentially surviving Romanovs and a bride for Carl XII. As a secondary POD circumstances oblige him to accept the 1707/1708 peace offer (which left Stanislas Leszczynski on the throne of Poland and the Swedish Empire intact, except for Ingermanland (where Pyotr Velikiy later built St. Petersburg)). So he is sort of "obliged" to marry, given that he promised to do it "once the war's over" OTL.

Was thinking that for his bride, Carolus takes one of his battle-buddies' sisters, Christine of Württemberg (b.1694), sister of Maximilian of Württemberg. OTL Christine was sister-in-law to Karoline of Ansbach, a brother married a mistress of August the Strong, had a Badener stepmom and was niece/cousin of the Landgravine/Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt (so she has enough ties to everyone important, plus IIRC she was a looker OTL. Let's just hope she makes Carolus take a second look ).

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

Albermale works if the Earl exchanges the title for something else I think

James' half-brother, the duke of Albemarle, died in 1702. We can say that the 2e earl's ship sank en route back from Gelderland (where he'd been sent to complete his education) in 1717

 

[eliamartin65]

we get surviving Habsburgs, restored Stuarts, no Farnese mess and potentially surviving Romanovs and a bride for Carl XII. As a secondary POD circumstances oblige him to accept the 1707/1708 peace offer (which left Stanislas Leszczynski on the throne of Poland and the Swedish Empire intact, except for Ingermanland (where Pyotr Velikiy later built St. Petersburg)). So he is sort of "obliged" to marry, given that he promised to do it "once the war's over" OTL.

Was thinking that for his bride, Carolus takes one of his battle-buddies' sisters, Christine of Württemberg (b.1694), sister of Maximilian of Württemberg. OTL Christine was sister-in-law to Karoline of Ansbach, a brother married a mistress of August the Strong, had a Badener stepmom and was niece/cousin of the Landgravine/Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt (so she has enough ties to everyone important, plus IIRC she was a looker OTL. Let's just hope she makes Carolus take a second look ).

You got me at surviving Habsburgs....

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

Interesting does louos not want a granddaughter married to James?

time and tide, sadly., by 1708, the only one of the Régent's daughters close to age is the OTL duchesse de Berri (b.1695). This would also be on the back of the Régent's recent attempt at peace negotiating where he reached out to the British and proposed himself as candidate for the Spanish crown instead of Felipe V. Louis XIV was so unimpressed that he ordered him back to Versailles and never allowed him to command an army again. So there's the Régent's dislike of James, plus his "disgrace" that are standing in the way of an Orléans match. And his wife, Madame Lucifer is certainly not going to allow her Condé nieces to marry better than her own daughters (the rumours Madame Lucifer put out about her nieces when the duc de Berri's marriage came up in 1710 were absolutely vulgar and played a big role in why the Orléans girl was chosen)

 

[VVD0D95]

time and tide, sadly., by 1708, the only one of the Régent's daughters close to age is the OTL duchesse de Berri (b.1695). This would also be on the back of the Régent's recent attempt at peace negotiating where he reached out to the British and proposed himself as candidate for the Spanish crown instead of Felipe V. Louis XIV was so unimpressed that he ordered him back to Versailles and never allowed him to command an army again. So there's the Régent's dislike of James, plus his "disgrace" that are standing in the way of an Orléans match. And his wife, Madame Lucifer is certainly not going to allow her Condé nieces to marry better than her own daughters (the rumours Madame Lucifer put out about her nieces when the duc de Berri's marriage came up in 1710 were absolutely vulgar and played a big role in why the Orléans girl was chosen)

Ahh I see and I suppose Louis wouldn’t be able to see past them?

 

[Happiness]

Henry VIII (1491-1547)
m. June 1509 for
Catherine of Aragon (1485-1538)

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1. Stillborn daughter (1510)

2. Henry IX (b. January 1511) m. 1527 for Catherine of Austria (b. January 1507)

3. Edward, duke of York (b. November 1513) m. 1532 for Anne Bourchier, 7th Baroness Bourchier (b. 1517)

4. Stillborn son (1514)

5. Mary, queen of France (b. February 1516) m. 1533 for Francis III, duke of Brittany (b. February 1518)

6. Stillborn daughter (1518)

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

Ahh I see and I suppose Louis wouldn’t be able to see past them?

think Orléans' "betrayal" is still too fresh at this point