What happens to Peter of bourbon that Anne is available to marry Henry? Also no way Henry is getting a French princess - he’ll marry Cecily of York in this scenario
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his late wifes sister? Isn't there anyone else Henry could marry?
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Okay, lets say in this scenario Elizabeth of York's sisters died or are in convents, who can Henry marry?
He heavily planned to marry her to Richard Pole (His cousin) to negate Yorkist Pretender uprisings, but as the last true Plantagenet, it could work.
POD: Henry VII had a daughter before becoming king. (Female Roland de Velville)
Catherine [1] of England (1474-1535) m. James IV of Scotland (1473-1513) [2]
[1] Named after Catherine of Valois, obviously.
[2] Flodden still happens, can't see why Henry VIII having a different sister married to him changes that
[3] Obviously she's not burned ITTL
Catherine [1] of England (1474-1535) m. James IV of Scotland (1473-1513) [2]
1) Margaret (1490-1540) m. a) Ferdinand II of Aragon (1452-1516), b) Thomas Bellenden of Auchnoule (1485-1547)
2) James V of Scotland (1492-1550) m. Margaret of Angouleme (1492-1549)
3) Robert (1495-1561) m. Isobel Hoppar (1490-1560)
4) Henry (1497-1563) m. a) Anne de la Tour d'Auvergne (1496-1524), Janet Douglas (1498-1566) [3]
5) Mary (1500-1560) m. Henry II of Navarre (1503-1555)
6) Alexander (1504-1567) m. Margaret Erskine (1515-1572)
[1] Named after Catherine of Valois, obviously.
[2] Flodden still happens, can't see why Henry VIII having a different sister married to him changes that
[3] Obviously she's not burned ITTL
A minor thing but i can’t see Henry naming his daughter after Catherine of Valois, he purposefully tried to distance himself from her iirc (yes he and Elizabeth’s youngest daughter was named Catherine but that could also be for Catherine of York and Catherine Woodville, who was married to Henry’s uncle…I can’t see him picking it in this scenario)
Actually, OTL Katherine Tudor was named after their daughter-in-law if I remember correctly. She was born after the wedding of KOA and Arthur Tudor and Arthur's death after all.
Yes, but this daughter's mother isn't Elizabeth of York, so he's got no need to appease Yorkists with her. In this case he would likely want to honor her royal great-grandmother
Prompt: Marie Elisabeth of Valois (Daughter of Charles IX and Elisabeth of Austria is born male.)
Francis III of France (b. 1572 d. 1615) m. Infanta Maria of Spain (b. 1580 d. 1633) [1]
[2] Unlike his predecessors, Francis III of France adopts a more neutral tone towards religion, and though he is most definitely Catholic, he maintains balance within his realm despite him being a frequent opponent of the Protestant Bourbons and his wife's objections.
[3] Genderbent Nicole de Lorraine (Daughter of Henry II, Duke of Lorraine and Margherita Gonzaga)
Francis III of France (b. 1572 d. 1615) m. Infanta Maria of Spain (b. 1580 d. 1633) [1]
- Francois, Dauphin of France (b. 1597 d. 1610)
- Marie Elisabeth of France (b. 1598 d. 1649) m. Victor Amadeus I, Duke of Savoy (b. 1587 d. 1637)
- Charles X of France (b. 1600 d. 1673) m. Anne of Austria (b. 1601 d. 1666)
- Philippe de Valois, Duke of Orléans (b. 1601 d. 1642) m. Claudia de' Medici (b. 1604 d. 1648)
- Marie Catherine of France (b. 1602 d. 1673) m. Philip IV of Spain (b. 1605 d. 1665)
- Jean de Valois, Duke of Anjou (b. 1604 d. 1607)
- Marie Christine of France (b. 1605 d. 1669) m. Charles I of England (b. 1600 d. 1649) [2]
- Stillborn Daughter (b. 1606 d. 1606)
- Henri de Valois, Duke of Anjou (b. 1608 d. 1641) m. Marguerite of Lorraine (b. 1615 d. 1672)
- Louis de Valois, Duke of Berry (b. 1609 d. 1622)
- Stillborn Son (b. 1611 d. 1611)
- Marie Anne of France (b. 1612 d. 1663) m. Henry III, Duke of Lorraine (b. 1608 d. 1657) [3]
[2] Unlike his predecessors, Francis III of France adopts a more neutral tone towards religion, and though he is most definitely Catholic, he maintains balance within his realm despite him being a frequent opponent of the Protestant Bourbons and his wife's objections.
[3] Genderbent Nicole de Lorraine (Daughter of Henry II, Duke of Lorraine and Margherita Gonzaga)
yep, Francis, Duke of Anjou assumes regency and lives longer (Though has no kids) though Elisabeth and her Austrian Relatives do try to fight for regency.
Henry VII will remarry to Cecile of York (who was kept unmarried exactly for the eventuality in which Elizabeth died without giving a male heir to Henry) and nobody else… And a foreign second match for him (if Elizabeth died giving birth to his heir) would be Anne of Brittany not Anne of France (useless match for both sides)
The Bretons may not have been very Pro-French but why would they accept Tudorian Rule over them? I know Henry Tudor lived in Brittany, but that wouldn't be enough.
Cecilia of York is good though.
She was born after Arthur’s death, but most likely named after Katherine of York NOT Catherine of Aragon
Anne’s first engagement had been to the future Edward V and a match between her and Henry VII had been proposed, so Brittany would accept a Tudor ruler without troubles, unless that kid was the heir also of England, but if Elizabeth died giving a male heir to Henry VII is likely who the match with Anne of Brittany would go ahead with little trouble
Yes as England would be able to help Anne of Brittany and she would be able to meet her husband and consummate the wedding here
Alfonso, Prince of Portugal (1475-1491) m. Isabella, Princess of Asturias (1470-1510) [1]
[1] She won't die in childbirth here and she decides to live longer for her child.
[2] Arthur died in the beginning of 1501
[3] Portugal is generally warmer than Scotland, so I presume Francis is less hesitant to marry her there...
1) Alfonso VI, King of Portugal (1491-1556) m. a) Katherine, Infanta of Aragon and Castile (1485-1536) [2], b) Madeleine, Princess of France (1520-1560) [3]
[1] She won't die in childbirth here and she decides to live longer for her child.
[2] Arthur died in the beginning of 1501
[3] Portugal is generally warmer than Scotland, so I presume Francis is less hesitant to marry her there...