Aha, so these Radical Liberals are what we'd describe today as Classical Liberals, as opposed to our OTL definition which has similar policies and goals to Social Democracy? Very good way of showing of how these political definitions and paradigms change over time and why things like the "left-right" spectrum are generally pointless.
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Aha, so these Radical Liberals are what we'd describe today as Classical Liberals, as opposed to our OTL definition which has similar policies and goals to Social Democracy? Very good way of showing of how these political definitions and paradigms change over time and why things like the "left-right" spectrum are generally pointless.
Another 1992
or a fantasy list.
2015: Conservative majority (David Cameron)
def. Labour (Ed Miliband), SNP (Nicola Sturgeon), Liberal Democrat (Nick Clegg), UKIP (Nigel Farage), Green (Natalie Bennett)...
2017: Conservative majority (Boris Johnson)
2020: Labour majority (Andy Burnham)
def. Conservative (Boris Johnson), SNP (Nicola Sturgeon), Liberal Democrat (Tim Farron)...
2025: Labour majority (Andy Burnham)
def. Conservative (Sajid Javid), SNP (Nicola Sturgeon), Liberal Democrat (Tim Farron)...
2030: Labour majority (Andy Burnham)
def. Conservative (Stephen Crabb), SNP-Plaid-Green Alliance (Stewart Hosie/Bethan Jenkins/Shahrar Ali), Liberal Democrat (Tim Farron)...
2032: Labour majority (Tom Watson)
2035: Conservative majority (?)
def. Labour (Tom Watson), Green-SNP-Plaid Alliance (Shahrar Ali/Stewart Hosie/Beci Newton), Liberal Parties (various)...
or a fantasy list.
2015: Conservative majority (David Cameron)
def. Labour (Ed Miliband), SNP (Nicola Sturgeon), Liberal Democrat (Nick Clegg), UKIP (Nigel Farage), Green (Natalie Bennett)...
2017: Conservative majority (Boris Johnson)
2020: Labour majority (Andy Burnham)
def. Conservative (Boris Johnson), SNP (Nicola Sturgeon), Liberal Democrat (Tim Farron)...
2025: Labour majority (Andy Burnham)
def. Conservative (Sajid Javid), SNP (Nicola Sturgeon), Liberal Democrat (Tim Farron)...
2030: Labour majority (Andy Burnham)
def. Conservative (Stephen Crabb), SNP-Plaid-Green Alliance (Stewart Hosie/Bethan Jenkins/Shahrar Ali), Liberal Democrat (Tim Farron)...
2032: Labour majority (Tom Watson)
2035: Conservative majority (?)
def. Labour (Tom Watson), Green-SNP-Plaid Alliance (Shahrar Ali/Stewart Hosie/Beci Newton), Liberal Parties (various)...
2010-2017: David Cameron (Conservative) [1]
2017-2019: Boris Johnson (Conservative) [2]
2019-2021: Andy Burnham (Labour) [3]
2021-2029: Ed Miliband (Labour) [4]
2029-2033: Justin Tomlinson (Conservative - Unionist) [5]
2033-2037: Ed Miliband (Labour Minority) [6]
2037-: Diana Kennedy (Conservative) [7]
[1]: Even though he was reinvigorated with a new mandated, Cameron faced a tough challenge from within his own party. Osborne's aping of the Labour policy on non doms angered the backbenchers. Cameron's campaigning for STAY in the EU referendum infuriated them. The surprise Labour gain in the Putney by election (taking place after the shock resignation of Justine Greening) gave opponents sufficient ammo to take out Cameron.
[2]: Culture Secretary Johnson was catapulted into Number 10. His reputation as an absolutely classic legend gets a bit tarnished when his government continues the Conservative cuts and sends out rubber bullets to face anti austerity rioters. His attempt at intervention in Venezuela finally brings his Government down.
[3]: Burnham's problem was that he was a bit undecided on what to do with his majority. He started massive funding increases to the NHS and threw all his weight behind reforming the Service, but he seemingly did little else. He was shy on the world stage, and shy domestically too.
He died after being shot by a Russian ultra nationalist while visiting Tbsili.
[4]: Miliband's back, baby. And he's determined to make a splash.
Graduate tax? Yes. Federalism and Devolution? Yes. Bank regulation? Yes. Childcare centres? Yesaroony.
Miliband becomes ever more divisive as his reforms pile up and many think May'll take him out in 2025. However, the defeat of ISIS in Mosul and capture of Baghdadi secures Miliband's re-election. Determined to crush the Tories further, AV+ is introduced to all elections. This backfires on him though when Popular Conservative leader Justin Tomlinson takes the gold in 2029.
[5]: Unfortunately for him, the win turns out to be a poisoned chalice. Economic downturn, Russian invasions of Afghanistan and Kazakhstan, devaluing of the Pound, floods in Cornwall damaging infrastructure. Labour get back in.
[6]: Miliband's back...again, baby. However, this time, he only has a minority. He treads water, throwing money at the NHS and reversing a few privatizations, but not much more. The successful strangling of Russia's economy and subsequent peace in Europe give him a big boost, but he gets upstaged in a 1970 style upset.
[7]: Even though E-Mil's out, many think Con Leader Kennedy isn't much better. A noted "Milibaby" elected to the Leeds council in 2020 and to parliament in a by election in 2026, she promises to calmy continue the consensus, while offering little change of her own. It looks like Milibandism is here to stay...
2017-2019: Boris Johnson (Conservative) [2]
2019-2021: Andy Burnham (Labour) [3]
2021-2029: Ed Miliband (Labour) [4]
2029-2033: Justin Tomlinson (Conservative - Unionist) [5]
2033-2037: Ed Miliband (Labour Minority) [6]
2037-: Diana Kennedy (Conservative) [7]
[1]: Even though he was reinvigorated with a new mandated, Cameron faced a tough challenge from within his own party. Osborne's aping of the Labour policy on non doms angered the backbenchers. Cameron's campaigning for STAY in the EU referendum infuriated them. The surprise Labour gain in the Putney by election (taking place after the shock resignation of Justine Greening) gave opponents sufficient ammo to take out Cameron.
[2]: Culture Secretary Johnson was catapulted into Number 10. His reputation as an absolutely classic legend gets a bit tarnished when his government continues the Conservative cuts and sends out rubber bullets to face anti austerity rioters. His attempt at intervention in Venezuela finally brings his Government down.
[3]: Burnham's problem was that he was a bit undecided on what to do with his majority. He started massive funding increases to the NHS and threw all his weight behind reforming the Service, but he seemingly did little else. He was shy on the world stage, and shy domestically too.
He died after being shot by a Russian ultra nationalist while visiting Tbsili.
[4]: Miliband's back, baby. And he's determined to make a splash.
Graduate tax? Yes. Federalism and Devolution? Yes. Bank regulation? Yes. Childcare centres? Yesaroony.
Miliband becomes ever more divisive as his reforms pile up and many think May'll take him out in 2025. However, the defeat of ISIS in Mosul and capture of Baghdadi secures Miliband's re-election. Determined to crush the Tories further, AV+ is introduced to all elections. This backfires on him though when Popular Conservative leader Justin Tomlinson takes the gold in 2029.
[5]: Unfortunately for him, the win turns out to be a poisoned chalice. Economic downturn, Russian invasions of Afghanistan and Kazakhstan, devaluing of the Pound, floods in Cornwall damaging infrastructure. Labour get back in.
[6]: Miliband's back...again, baby. However, this time, he only has a minority. He treads water, throwing money at the NHS and reversing a few privatizations, but not much more. The successful strangling of Russia's economy and subsequent peace in Europe give him a big boost, but he gets upstaged in a 1970 style upset.
[7]: Even though E-Mil's out, many think Con Leader Kennedy isn't much better. A noted "Milibaby" elected to the Leeds council in 2020 and to parliament in a by election in 2026, she promises to calmy continue the consensus, while offering little change of her own. It looks like Milibandism is here to stay...
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Constantinople
Banned
2010-2025: David Cameron (Conservative)
2025-2035 Boris Johnson (Conservative)
2035-2055: George Osborne(Conservative) [1]
[1]The "Privatise the NHS Act of 2044" was popular enough amoung the landed gentry to propel elder statemen Osborne to 20 straight years as PM.
2025-2035 Boris Johnson (Conservative)
2035-2055: George Osborne(Conservative) [1]
[1]The "Privatise the NHS Act of 2044" was popular enough amoung the landed gentry to propel elder statemen Osborne to 20 straight years as PM.
I've actually seen several of these with Biden as a Republican. Why is that?
Biden considered himself a Republican early in his legal career and was actually courted by local Republicans until he registered as an independent in 1968 because of his dislike for Nixon.
Deliver us from Evil
Based on this old thread.
1989-1997: M. G. Patrick Robertson / Jack F. Kemp (Republican) [1]
1988: Jesse L. Jackson / Dianne G. B. Feinstein (Democratic), Lloyd M. Bentsen / Charles M. Mathias (Independent) [2]
1992: Daniel P. Moynihan / Robert P. Casey (Democratic)
1997-2001: Charles O. Baldwin / Daniel R. Coats (Republican) [3]
1996: Edmund G. Brown / J. Robert Kerry (Democratic)
2001-2003: Edmund G. Brown / Barbara A. Mikulski (Democratic) [4]
2000: Charles O. Baldwin / Daniel R. Coats (Republican)
2003-2004: Barbara A. Mikulski / vacant (Democratic)
2004-2005: Barbara A. Mikulski / William W. Bradley (Democratic) [5]
2005-2009: George C. Wallace Jr / Richard A. Gephardt (Democratic) [6]
2004: Roy S. Moore / J. Richard Perry (Republican)
2009-: Randall A. Terry / Margaret E. Noonan (Republican) [7]
2008: George C. Wallace Jr / Richard A. Gephardt (Democratic)
2012: William H. White / Jeanne B. Shaheen (Democratic)
[1]: The first year of Robertson's presidency went fineish. He blew up at Iraq, made cuts, and generally angered the left. However, on the second year, it happened.
During the Berlin Wall's fall, a crack appeared in the Sky. A literal crack. The moon turned red with blood, plants burned, darkness descended, and life died. President Robertson saw this as the end, and was committed to fighting this out. The "War on Evil", he called it as he addressed the UN. Every country united in military force to fight Hell. Beasts from the Sea were bombed to oblivion, Demons were shot. It couldn't be enough, as they kept on going. Through the power of God, they were repelled and crushed in 1996, guaranteeing the Republican victory in that year. Robertson left office a loved man.
[2]: Centrist ticket set up with the backing of Ross Perot to "stop the madness".
[3]: Baldwin's term would be focused on rebuilding the Earth in God's image. Big cathedrals as tall as Skyscrapers were constructed in every minor to major town and city. Parochial Education was the order of the day. All charitable services were to be religious based. Most cities looked like the old Babylon by 2001.
Despite the surge in religious belief caused by the Third Great Awakening, Baldwin was defeated by the resurgent Democrats.
[4]: Brown's short term would be focused on turning the USA into a more socially progressive country. Abortion was once again legal, gays could serve in the military, and single mothers were granted greater benefits. However, before he could enact any more, he was struck down by a man possessed.
[5]: The "Baltimore Bulldog" calmly continued Brown's policies. Equal pay for women was introduced, as was increases in spending. She stepped aside in 2004.
[6]: Wallace was the Democrats' attempt to prove that they weren't just the Heretic party. He faced heavy breathing from the left, so he was forced to sign some more friendly policies, such as free community college and a Taft-Hartley repeal. By 2008, things got bad as hell reared its ugly head yet again. Death and destruction lead to the election of Terry.
[7]: Regarded as Robertson's protege, Terry led the crusade against Satan. The coastal US was walled up as millions of troops were sent to New Babylon (aka baghdad) and Jerusalem to protect the citizens there. This war would be short, the forces of Heaven and Earth combined crushed the weak forces of Evil. Since the war, he has continued the Robertson consensus. It seems as if it's here to stay.
Based on this old thread.
1989-1997: M. G. Patrick Robertson / Jack F. Kemp (Republican) [1]
1988: Jesse L. Jackson / Dianne G. B. Feinstein (Democratic), Lloyd M. Bentsen / Charles M. Mathias (Independent) [2]
1992: Daniel P. Moynihan / Robert P. Casey (Democratic)
1997-2001: Charles O. Baldwin / Daniel R. Coats (Republican) [3]
1996: Edmund G. Brown / J. Robert Kerry (Democratic)
2001-2003: Edmund G. Brown / Barbara A. Mikulski (Democratic) [4]
2000: Charles O. Baldwin / Daniel R. Coats (Republican)
2003-2004: Barbara A. Mikulski / vacant (Democratic)
2004-2005: Barbara A. Mikulski / William W. Bradley (Democratic) [5]
2005-2009: George C. Wallace Jr / Richard A. Gephardt (Democratic) [6]
2004: Roy S. Moore / J. Richard Perry (Republican)
2009-: Randall A. Terry / Margaret E. Noonan (Republican) [7]
2008: George C. Wallace Jr / Richard A. Gephardt (Democratic)
2012: William H. White / Jeanne B. Shaheen (Democratic)
[1]: The first year of Robertson's presidency went fineish. He blew up at Iraq, made cuts, and generally angered the left. However, on the second year, it happened.
During the Berlin Wall's fall, a crack appeared in the Sky. A literal crack. The moon turned red with blood, plants burned, darkness descended, and life died. President Robertson saw this as the end, and was committed to fighting this out. The "War on Evil", he called it as he addressed the UN. Every country united in military force to fight Hell. Beasts from the Sea were bombed to oblivion, Demons were shot. It couldn't be enough, as they kept on going. Through the power of God, they were repelled and crushed in 1996, guaranteeing the Republican victory in that year. Robertson left office a loved man.
[2]: Centrist ticket set up with the backing of Ross Perot to "stop the madness".
[3]: Baldwin's term would be focused on rebuilding the Earth in God's image. Big cathedrals as tall as Skyscrapers were constructed in every minor to major town and city. Parochial Education was the order of the day. All charitable services were to be religious based. Most cities looked like the old Babylon by 2001.
Despite the surge in religious belief caused by the Third Great Awakening, Baldwin was defeated by the resurgent Democrats.
[4]: Brown's short term would be focused on turning the USA into a more socially progressive country. Abortion was once again legal, gays could serve in the military, and single mothers were granted greater benefits. However, before he could enact any more, he was struck down by a man possessed.
[5]: The "Baltimore Bulldog" calmly continued Brown's policies. Equal pay for women was introduced, as was increases in spending. She stepped aside in 2004.
[6]: Wallace was the Democrats' attempt to prove that they weren't just the Heretic party. He faced heavy breathing from the left, so he was forced to sign some more friendly policies, such as free community college and a Taft-Hartley repeal. By 2008, things got bad as hell reared its ugly head yet again. Death and destruction lead to the election of Terry.
[7]: Regarded as Robertson's protege, Terry led the crusade against Satan. The coastal US was walled up as millions of troops were sent to New Babylon (aka baghdad) and Jerusalem to protect the citizens there. This war would be short, the forces of Heaven and Earth combined crushed the weak forces of Evil. Since the war, he has continued the Robertson consensus. It seems as if it's here to stay.
List 1
2010-2021: David Cameron (Cons)
2021-2028: George Osborne (Cons)
2028-2038: Chuka Umunna (Lab)
2038-2041: Andy Burnham (Lab)
2041-: Justin Tomlinson (Cons)
List 2
01. 1789-1797: George Washington (I-VA)
02. 1797-1802: John Adams (F-MA)
03. 1802-1805: Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA)
04. 1805-1813: Henry Dearborn (DR-MA)
05. 1813-1818: James Madison (DR-VA)
06. 1818-1821: James Monroe (DR-VA)
07. 1821-1829: Andrew Jackson (DR-TN)
08. 1829-1834: John C. Calhoun (DR-SC)
09. 1834-1837: Martin Van Buren (DR-NY)
10. 1837-1845: William Harrison (W-OH)
11. 1845-1850: John Tyler (W-VA)
12. 1850-1853: Millard Fillmore (W-NY)
13. 1853-1861: Winfield Scott (W-NJ)
14. 1861-1866: Abraham Lincoln (W-IL)
15. 1866-1869: Hannibal Hamlin (R-ME)
16. 1869-1877: Ulysses Grant (R-IL)
17. 1877-1882: Rutherford Hayes (R-OH)
18. 1882-1885: William A. Wheeler (R-NY)
19. 1885-1893: George Custer (D-OH)
20. 1893-1898: Grover Cleveland (D-NY)
21. 1898-1901: William J. Bryan (D-NE)
22. 1901-1909: Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY)
23. 1909-1914: William H. Taft (R-OH)
24. 1914-1917: Charles E. Hughes (R-NY)
25. 1917-1925: John J. Pershing (D-MO)
26. 1925-1930: John W. Davis (D-WV)
27. 1930-1933: Al Smith (D-NY)
28. 1933-1941: Leonard Wood (R-NH)
29. 1941-1946: Herbert Hoover (R-CA)
30. 1946-1949: Robert A. Taft (R-OH)
31. 1949-1957: Harry Truman (D-MO)
32. 1957-1962: Lyndon Johnson (D-TX)
33. 1962-1965: John F. Kennedy (D-MA)
34. 1965-1973: William Westmoreland (R-SC)
35. 1973-1978: Richard Nixon (R-CA)
36. 1978-1981: Gerald Ford (R-MI)
37. 1981-1989: Curtis LeMay (D-CA)
38. 1989-1994: Michael Dukakis (D-MA)
39. 1994-1997: Bill Clinton (D-AR)
40. 1997-2005: Colin Powell (R-NY)
41. 2005-2010: George W. Bush (R-TX)
42. 2010-2013: Rick Santorum (R-PA)
43. 2013-2021: David Petraeus (D-NY)
44. 2021-2026: Barack Obama (D-IL)
45. 2026-2029: Kamala Harris (D-CA)
2010-2021: David Cameron (Cons)
2021-2028: George Osborne (Cons)
2028-2038: Chuka Umunna (Lab)
2038-2041: Andy Burnham (Lab)
2041-: Justin Tomlinson (Cons)
List 2
01. 1789-1797: George Washington (I-VA)
02. 1797-1802: John Adams (F-MA)
03. 1802-1805: Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA)
04. 1805-1813: Henry Dearborn (DR-MA)
05. 1813-1818: James Madison (DR-VA)
06. 1818-1821: James Monroe (DR-VA)
07. 1821-1829: Andrew Jackson (DR-TN)
08. 1829-1834: John C. Calhoun (DR-SC)
09. 1834-1837: Martin Van Buren (DR-NY)
10. 1837-1845: William Harrison (W-OH)
11. 1845-1850: John Tyler (W-VA)
12. 1850-1853: Millard Fillmore (W-NY)
13. 1853-1861: Winfield Scott (W-NJ)
14. 1861-1866: Abraham Lincoln (W-IL)
15. 1866-1869: Hannibal Hamlin (R-ME)
16. 1869-1877: Ulysses Grant (R-IL)
17. 1877-1882: Rutherford Hayes (R-OH)
18. 1882-1885: William A. Wheeler (R-NY)
19. 1885-1893: George Custer (D-OH)
20. 1893-1898: Grover Cleveland (D-NY)
21. 1898-1901: William J. Bryan (D-NE)
22. 1901-1909: Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY)
23. 1909-1914: William H. Taft (R-OH)
24. 1914-1917: Charles E. Hughes (R-NY)
25. 1917-1925: John J. Pershing (D-MO)
26. 1925-1930: John W. Davis (D-WV)
27. 1930-1933: Al Smith (D-NY)
28. 1933-1941: Leonard Wood (R-NH)
29. 1941-1946: Herbert Hoover (R-CA)
30. 1946-1949: Robert A. Taft (R-OH)
31. 1949-1957: Harry Truman (D-MO)
32. 1957-1962: Lyndon Johnson (D-TX)
33. 1962-1965: John F. Kennedy (D-MA)
34. 1965-1973: William Westmoreland (R-SC)
35. 1973-1978: Richard Nixon (R-CA)
36. 1978-1981: Gerald Ford (R-MI)
37. 1981-1989: Curtis LeMay (D-CA)
38. 1989-1994: Michael Dukakis (D-MA)
39. 1994-1997: Bill Clinton (D-AR)
40. 1997-2005: Colin Powell (R-NY)
41. 2005-2010: George W. Bush (R-TX)
42. 2010-2013: Rick Santorum (R-PA)
43. 2013-2021: David Petraeus (D-NY)
44. 2021-2026: Barack Obama (D-IL)
45. 2026-2029: Kamala Harris (D-CA)
A General Tradition:
1949-1953: George C. Marshall/Alben W. Barkley (Democrat)
1948: Thomas E. Dewey/Earl Warren (Republican), Storm Thurmond/Field T. Wright (Dixiecrat)
1953-1957: Dwight D. Eisenhower/ William Fulbright (Democratic)
1952: Douglas MacArthur / Richard Nixon (Republican)
1957-1961: Dwight D. Eisenhower/ Estes Kefauver (Democratic)
1956: Richard Nixon / George H. Bender(Republican)
1961-1969: Everett Dirksen / Godwin Knight (Republican)
1960: Estes Kefauver / Hubert Humphrey (Democratic)
1964: J. William Fulbright / Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1969-1973: Matthew Ridgway / Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1968: Richard Nixon / Robert Finch (Republican)
1973-1981: George W. Romney / Prescott Bush
1972: Lyndon B. Johnson / John F. Kennedy (Democratic), Curtis LeMay / George Wallace (American Indipendent)
1976: George Wallace / Patrick Lucey (Democratic)
1981-1985: Ronald Reagan / Donald Rumsfeld (Republican)
1980: Robert F. Kennedy / Jimmy Carter (Democratic)
1985-1989: Matthew Ridgway / Terry Sanford(Democratic)
1984: Ronald Reagan / Donald Rumsfeld (Republican)
1989-1997: Joe Biden / Al Gore (Democratic)
1988: Bob Dole / Tom Kean (Republican)
1992: Colin Powell / Sandra Day O'Connor (Republican)
1997-2005: John McCain / Newt Gingrich (Republican)
1996: Al Gore / Robert P. Casey (Democratic)
2000: John Kerry / Bill Clinton (Democratic)
2005-2009: George H. W. Bush / Newt Gingrich (Republican)
2004: Wesley Clark / John Edwards (Democratic)
2009-2013: David Petraeus / Ben Nelson (Democratic)
2008: Mitt Romney / Rudy Guiliani (Republican)
2013-2017: Hillary Rodham Gore / Barack Obama (Democratic)
2012: Mitt Romney / Rick Perry (Republican)
1949-1953: George C. Marshall/Alben W. Barkley (Democrat)
1948: Thomas E. Dewey/Earl Warren (Republican), Storm Thurmond/Field T. Wright (Dixiecrat)
1953-1957: Dwight D. Eisenhower/ William Fulbright (Democratic)
1952: Douglas MacArthur / Richard Nixon (Republican)
1957-1961: Dwight D. Eisenhower/ Estes Kefauver (Democratic)
1956: Richard Nixon / George H. Bender(Republican)
1961-1969: Everett Dirksen / Godwin Knight (Republican)
1960: Estes Kefauver / Hubert Humphrey (Democratic)
1964: J. William Fulbright / Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1969-1973: Matthew Ridgway / Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1968: Richard Nixon / Robert Finch (Republican)
1973-1981: George W. Romney / Prescott Bush
1972: Lyndon B. Johnson / John F. Kennedy (Democratic), Curtis LeMay / George Wallace (American Indipendent)
1976: George Wallace / Patrick Lucey (Democratic)
1981-1985: Ronald Reagan / Donald Rumsfeld (Republican)
1980: Robert F. Kennedy / Jimmy Carter (Democratic)
1985-1989: Matthew Ridgway / Terry Sanford(Democratic)
1984: Ronald Reagan / Donald Rumsfeld (Republican)
1989-1997: Joe Biden / Al Gore (Democratic)
1988: Bob Dole / Tom Kean (Republican)
1992: Colin Powell / Sandra Day O'Connor (Republican)
1997-2005: John McCain / Newt Gingrich (Republican)
1996: Al Gore / Robert P. Casey (Democratic)
2000: John Kerry / Bill Clinton (Democratic)
2005-2009: George H. W. Bush / Newt Gingrich (Republican)
2004: Wesley Clark / John Edwards (Democratic)
2009-2013: David Petraeus / Ben Nelson (Democratic)
2008: Mitt Romney / Rudy Guiliani (Republican)
2013-2017: Hillary Rodham Gore / Barack Obama (Democratic)
2012: Mitt Romney / Rick Perry (Republican)
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Alternate Presidencies to the modern day
The Presidency after a Ford win in 1976:
38. Gerald R. Ford (Republican) 1974-1981
39. Walter F. Mondale (Democrat) 1981-1989
40. Lloyd M. Bentsen (Democrat) 1989-1993
41. George H.W. Bush (Republican) 1993-2001
42. Jack F. Kemp (Republican) 2001-2005
43. Albert A. Gore Jr. (Democrat) 2005-2009
44. John E. Bush (Republican) 2009-2013
45. Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democrat) 2013-present
The Presidency after a Ford win in 1976:
38. Gerald R. Ford (Republican) 1974-1981
39. Walter F. Mondale (Democrat) 1981-1989
40. Lloyd M. Bentsen (Democrat) 1989-1993
41. George H.W. Bush (Republican) 1993-2001
42. Jack F. Kemp (Republican) 2001-2005
43. Albert A. Gore Jr. (Democrat) 2005-2009
44. John E. Bush (Republican) 2009-2013
45. Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democrat) 2013-present
Pretty interesting seeing the military somewhat more hitched to the Democrats.
Vice Presidents:
- Nelson Rockefeller (Republican) 1974-1977
- Bob Dole (Republican) 1977-1981
- Henry "Scoop" Jackson (Democrat) 1981-1983
- Lloyd Bentsen (Democrat) 1983-1989
- Michael Dukakis (Democrat) 1989-1993
- Jack Kemp (Republican) 1993-2001
- Dan Quayle (Republican) 2001-2005
- John Edwards (Democrat) 2005-2008
- John Kerry (Democrat) 2008-2009
- Mitt Romney (Republican) 2009-2013
- Russ Feingold (Democrat) 2013-Present
An idea I came up with while writing my TLIAW. This is not related so don't draw anything from it.
1931-1936: Stanley Baldwin (National Government (Conservative, Liberal National, National Labour, National))
1936-1940: Stafford Cripps (Popular Front (Labour, Liberal, Independent Progressives, Communist, Constitutionalist))
1940-1952: Winston Churchill (War Government)
1952-1960: Aneurin Bevan (Popular Front (Labour, Progressive, Liberal, Common Wealth))
1960-1965: Enoch Powell (National)
1965-1974: Harold Wilson (Popular Union)
1974-1985: James Prior (National)
1985-1989: Margaret Thatcher (National)
1931-1936: Stanley Baldwin (National Government (Conservative, Liberal National, National Labour, National))
1936-1940: Stafford Cripps (Popular Front (Labour, Liberal, Independent Progressives, Communist, Constitutionalist))
1940-1952: Winston Churchill (War Government)
1952-1960: Aneurin Bevan (Popular Front (Labour, Progressive, Liberal, Common Wealth))
1960-1965: Enoch Powell (National)
1965-1974: Harold Wilson (Popular Union)
1974-1985: James Prior (National)
1985-1989: Margaret Thatcher (National)
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Asami
Banned
British Minister of Magic (1926-1971) (from my fanfic)
15 April 1926 - 19 May 1930: Sir Pelham Grenville Wodehouse [1]
19 May 1930 - 23 May 1940: Sir Oswald Mosley [2]
23 May 1940 - 30 September 1948: Sir John R.R. Tolkien [3]
30 September 1948 - 4 July 1954: Lord Louis Francis Mountbatten [4]
4 July 1954 - 3 November 1961: Harold Wilson [5]
3 November 1961 - 1 January 1964: Geoffrey Howe [6]
1 January 1964 - 16 June 1970: Neil Kinnock [7]
16 June 1970 - present day: Sir Oswald Mosley [8]
Magical Leader of Russia
15 September 1899 - 30 December 1916: Grigori Rasputin (Tsarist) (Grand Wizard of all Russias)
30 December 1916 - 21 January 1924: Vladimir Lenin (Bolshevik) (Chairman of the Supreme Soviet, Magical)
21 January 1924 - 2 December 1969: Kliment Voroshilov (CPSU-M) (Chairman of the Supreme Soviet, Magical)
2 December 1969 - present: Mikhail Gorbachev (CPSU-M) (Chairman of the Supreme Soviet, Magical)
[1] Sir P.G. Wodehouse resigned his commission on 19 May 1930 after a scandal in the wizarding community revealed an illicit affair. To save face, he left the Wizengamot and returned to life in Muggle Britain.
[2] Oswald Mosley was a popular Minister, but was imprisoned by the Muggle government for fascist leanings on 23 May 1940. On the same day, the pro-Allied faction in the Wizengamot had him thrown out of office. His forced resignation was decried by many as Mosley had expressed his desire to fight a war against Grindelwald.
[3] Sir John Tolkien was elected from the Wizengamot to the office of Minister and served for 8 years. He had a rough, and sometimes out-right hostile relationship with Winston Churchill, but was still popular and managed to lead wizarding Britain through the war. He resigned in 1948 to finish pursuing his career in Muggle Britain.
[4] Lord Mountbatten was appointed by the Crown after a deadlock in the Wizengamot lead to no new minister being appointed. His rule was tight and uniform. He resigned office in 1954 without much incident, deciding his time was up.
[5] Harold Wilson was elected to the office of Minister of Magic. Wilson, being a spy for the Magical NKVD, began to exert influence over some British youths. He is notable for convincing Sirius Black to join the Soviet spy ring headed by Artyom Makarov and Sergei Kolzhov. This action would later lead to Harry Potter's raising in the Soviet Union. After the attack on Godric's Hollow on 31 October 1961, he was forced to resign. During his time as Muggle Prime Minister, his conspiracy as a Soviet agent was exposed. His actions lead to the detention of the entire Parliamentary Labour Party, the rise and fall of Margaret Thatcher and Lord Mountbatten as provisional Muggle leaders, and the rise of Paddy Ashdown's political career. He was later assassinated by Sirius Black while being transported to face trial for high treason in the mid 1970s.
[6] Geoffrey Howe was noted for his quiet rule. He resigned in 1964 to pursue his career in Parliament.
[7] Neil Kinnock resigned his office shortly before taking office in Muggle Parliament, as he decided he could not do both.
[8] Mosley was given office again after much debate, happily retaking his old office.
((This may or may not take place in the same universe as Agent Lavender, with some creative changes.))
15 April 1926 - 19 May 1930: Sir Pelham Grenville Wodehouse [1]
19 May 1930 - 23 May 1940: Sir Oswald Mosley [2]
23 May 1940 - 30 September 1948: Sir John R.R. Tolkien [3]
30 September 1948 - 4 July 1954: Lord Louis Francis Mountbatten [4]
4 July 1954 - 3 November 1961: Harold Wilson [5]
3 November 1961 - 1 January 1964: Geoffrey Howe [6]
1 January 1964 - 16 June 1970: Neil Kinnock [7]
16 June 1970 - present day: Sir Oswald Mosley [8]
Magical Leader of Russia
15 September 1899 - 30 December 1916: Grigori Rasputin (Tsarist) (Grand Wizard of all Russias)
30 December 1916 - 21 January 1924: Vladimir Lenin (Bolshevik) (Chairman of the Supreme Soviet, Magical)
21 January 1924 - 2 December 1969: Kliment Voroshilov (CPSU-M) (Chairman of the Supreme Soviet, Magical)
2 December 1969 - present: Mikhail Gorbachev (CPSU-M) (Chairman of the Supreme Soviet, Magical)
[1] Sir P.G. Wodehouse resigned his commission on 19 May 1930 after a scandal in the wizarding community revealed an illicit affair. To save face, he left the Wizengamot and returned to life in Muggle Britain.
[2] Oswald Mosley was a popular Minister, but was imprisoned by the Muggle government for fascist leanings on 23 May 1940. On the same day, the pro-Allied faction in the Wizengamot had him thrown out of office. His forced resignation was decried by many as Mosley had expressed his desire to fight a war against Grindelwald.
[3] Sir John Tolkien was elected from the Wizengamot to the office of Minister and served for 8 years. He had a rough, and sometimes out-right hostile relationship with Winston Churchill, but was still popular and managed to lead wizarding Britain through the war. He resigned in 1948 to finish pursuing his career in Muggle Britain.
[4] Lord Mountbatten was appointed by the Crown after a deadlock in the Wizengamot lead to no new minister being appointed. His rule was tight and uniform. He resigned office in 1954 without much incident, deciding his time was up.
[5] Harold Wilson was elected to the office of Minister of Magic. Wilson, being a spy for the Magical NKVD, began to exert influence over some British youths. He is notable for convincing Sirius Black to join the Soviet spy ring headed by Artyom Makarov and Sergei Kolzhov. This action would later lead to Harry Potter's raising in the Soviet Union. After the attack on Godric's Hollow on 31 October 1961, he was forced to resign. During his time as Muggle Prime Minister, his conspiracy as a Soviet agent was exposed. His actions lead to the detention of the entire Parliamentary Labour Party, the rise and fall of Margaret Thatcher and Lord Mountbatten as provisional Muggle leaders, and the rise of Paddy Ashdown's political career. He was later assassinated by Sirius Black while being transported to face trial for high treason in the mid 1970s.
[6] Geoffrey Howe was noted for his quiet rule. He resigned in 1964 to pursue his career in Parliament.
[7] Neil Kinnock resigned his office shortly before taking office in Muggle Parliament, as he decided he could not do both.
[8] Mosley was given office again after much debate, happily retaking his old office.
((This may or may not take place in the same universe as Agent Lavender, with some creative changes.))
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Here's something - not very plausible, but so it goes - that I've been working on:
1913-1913: Theodore Roosevelt/James Sherman (Republican)
1913-1917: Theodore Roosevelt/Vacant (R)
1917-1921: Theodore Roosevelt/Charles W. Fairbanks (R)
1921-1929: Al Smith/Robert Latham Owen (Democratic)
1929-1933: William Borah/Hiram Johnson (R)
1933-1941: William Z. Foster/Upton Sinclair (Alliance)
1941-1945: Upton Sinclair/Norman Thomas (A)
1945-1953: Dan Moody/Paul V. McNutt (D)
1953-1957: Paul V. McNutt/Adlai Stevenson (D)
1957-1965: Woody Guthrie/A. Philip Randolph (A)
1965-1969: A. Philip Randolph/Eugene McCarthy (A)
1969-1973: James Eastland/Barry Goldwater (D)
1973-1977: A. Philip Randolph/Cesar Chavez (A)
1977-1979: Nelson Rockefeller/George Wallace (Liberal)
1979-1985: George Wallace/Lloyd Bentsen (L)
1985-1989: Jesse Jackson/Harvey Milk (A)
1989-1993: Birch Bayh/Joe Biden (L)
1993-2001: Jack Kemp/Paul Laxalt (D)
2001-2006: Ann Richards/Al Gore (L)
2006-2009: Al Gore/Bill Bradley (L)
2009-2013: Gloria La Riva/Dennis Kucinich (A)
2013-2017: Bobby Jindal/Tim Pawlenty (D)
2017-: Gloria La Riva/Bernie Sanders (A)
I'll add more information if there is interest.
1913-1913: Theodore Roosevelt/James Sherman (Republican)
1913-1917: Theodore Roosevelt/Vacant (R)
1917-1921: Theodore Roosevelt/Charles W. Fairbanks (R)
1921-1929: Al Smith/Robert Latham Owen (Democratic)
1929-1933: William Borah/Hiram Johnson (R)
1933-1941: William Z. Foster/Upton Sinclair (Alliance)
1941-1945: Upton Sinclair/Norman Thomas (A)
1945-1953: Dan Moody/Paul V. McNutt (D)
1953-1957: Paul V. McNutt/Adlai Stevenson (D)
1957-1965: Woody Guthrie/A. Philip Randolph (A)
1965-1969: A. Philip Randolph/Eugene McCarthy (A)
1969-1973: James Eastland/Barry Goldwater (D)
1973-1977: A. Philip Randolph/Cesar Chavez (A)
1977-1979: Nelson Rockefeller/George Wallace (Liberal)
1979-1985: George Wallace/Lloyd Bentsen (L)
1985-1989: Jesse Jackson/Harvey Milk (A)
1989-1993: Birch Bayh/Joe Biden (L)
1993-2001: Jack Kemp/Paul Laxalt (D)
2001-2006: Ann Richards/Al Gore (L)
2006-2009: Al Gore/Bill Bradley (L)
2009-2013: Gloria La Riva/Dennis Kucinich (A)
2013-2017: Bobby Jindal/Tim Pawlenty (D)
2017-: Gloria La Riva/Bernie Sanders (A)
I'll add more information if there is interest.
House of Washington
King George I (November 1, 1788 – December 14, 1799)
House of Custis
King George II (December 14, 1799 – October 15, 1813)
Queen Mary-Anna (October 15, 1813 - November 5, 1873)
King George III (November 5, 1873 – February 18, 1913)
King Robert (February 18, 1913 – September 4, 1922)
King George IV (September 4, 1922 – July 13, 1948)
King Robert II (July 13, 1948 – Modern Era)
Chancellor of the Congress of States – First Republic of the United States
Cyrus Griffin (I-VA) 1788-1792 [1]
John Jay (N-NY) 1792-1796
Alexander Hamilton (M-NY) 1796-1799 [2]
John Armstrong (M-NY) 1799-1803 [3]
Thomas Jefferson (C-VA) 1803-1811
William Crawford (M-GA) 1811-1813 [5]
No Government 1813
Chancellor of the Congress of States – Second Republic of the United States
Henry Clay (N-KY) 1814-1818 [6]
[1] Following the ratification of the Founding Articulation of American States the role of Chancellor of Congress was created above the speaker of the House and President of the Senate. He was not elected by popular vote but congressional appointment out of a set of candidates to be approved by the Monarch. Early senate procedures mandated a 3/5-vote majority to propose a Chancellor, while the House gave the power to their Speaker. The Chancellor of Congress held limitations similar to their role as President of the Continental Congress, however the position was created in a compromise of delegation between the monarchists and the constitutionalists. Griffin’s unanimous election as an ascendent candidate after his appointment by General and King Washington turned him to become an independent, unaligned with either party. This position, as John Jay leader of the Nationalists and founding father wrote “Would be forced to find neutrality, as the semblance of order we have found in this young nation is quick to crumble when factionalism divides”. Ironically, Jay would run as a constitutionalist just four years later.
[2] The election of 1796 saw Alexander Hamilton put forth by King George and approved on the Monarchist ticket. His strong protectionist measures and rehashing of constitutional authority to the Chancellor was wildly unpopular with the southern nationalists. In both parties a constitutionalist faction grew of those enraged by Britishesque monarchism. The death of King Washington in 1799, a prime supporter of Chancellor Hamilton, compounded with a large economic downturn after a blistering winter and famine in the South, in 1798 led to the House passing a vote of No-Confidence and the Senate voting to dissolve 17-15.
[3] The election of 1799 saw no compromise met for months, as John Armstrong, the monarchist appointment and a senator from New York, was proposed by the monarchist plurality. However, anti-New York sentiment and the rising constitutionalist factions saw a split Senate in votes. Newly elected House Speaker Theodore Sedgwick (M-MA) managed the Grand Deal of 1799 – John Armstrong would serve one four year term, where he would turn over much of the power of the Chancellorship to the House and Senate, after which Speaker Sedgwick would resign and allow a new popular election to be run by opposition parties directly rather than out of Monarchial appointments.
After four quiet years of the Armstrong, the national vote on the Chancellorship was put up, but nationally Monarchists objected despite the deal of 1799. On July 4, 1803, just a month shy of the set date for the referendum to take place, King George II forbid the national elections and used the military to block polling as he cited his power to “defend the Articulations of American States”. National protests and backlash prompted South Carolina to attempt to secede from the Union. The nationalists, intent on staying in favor of the Monarchy but pushing for referendum, held them internally and published the results nationally as a protest against the government crackdowns. On August 23, under national pressure and staring down the possibility of war with a group of southern states, King George II withdrew troops stationed at the Capital and freed several senators imprisoned for attempting to run without his permission. However, South Carolina went through with its threat and voted to resign from the Union. On August 26, a newly elected and disaffected Constitutionalist-Nationalist coalition voted to affirm their secession as an independent entity as the fault of the monarchy, but condemn any further splitting of the union. The referendum ended with a vote 20-12 for Constitutionalist Thomas Jefferson in the Senate and a landslide majority in the House for the Constitutionalist party where newly elected House Speaker John Jackson (C-VA) whipped a nearly unanimous vote for the election of Thomas Jefferson to the Chancellorship. He would serve two terms.
[5] The question of the 1811 election would be the jurisdiction for conflict. Although the articles allowed the King to ask for a declaration of war, he also was afforded control over his own wing of the military, notably the Kings Guard and expanded under George II to the Kings militias. As the OTL jurisdiction for conflict with Britain expanded and the constitutionalists called for war, the monarchist party looked to the lead of their King. George himself had a questionably cushy relationship with the newly coronated King George IV (after the death of his father three years prior from pneumonia). This angered the Constitutionalist majorities, who began to expand calls for an abolition of the “useless and tired monarchy”. The Constitutionalists call for war split them with the Nationalists who, despite recent failures in Chancellorship elections held large majorities in the middle states (most notably the Ohio, and Pennsylvania delegations) affording them a large amount of influence as the third American party. This dissention would lead to a defection from the coalition by the Nationalists when, in May 1811, the King would move to a vote of war with England. Nationalist Party leader Thomas Kirker stated, “Conflict for our young and fragile nation can only lead to great turmoil in the lives of the men that will be sent to die for the arrogant political gains of a vain King and a group of rabid dogs in congress.” The split in the coalition would lead to an unlikely alliance between the Constitutionalists and Monarchists, as split public support for war saw dissent from both Monarchists whose isolationist policies faltered with the Kings and Constitutionalists who saw the war as a way to distract from an unpopular Monarchy. The Nationalist split would cost the Constitutionalists their voting majority, and force them to stand behind the compromise candidate, a pro-war Southern Monarchist that was the Military Secretary under Chancellor Jefferson – William Crawford. Nonetheless, they were able to ratify a declaration of war against the United Kingdom of November 13, 1811.
The conflict went exceedingly well for the United States in its early months, but after continuing naval failures and an inability to rally troops, the United States found itself under attack. A successful occupation of Toronto by the Kings Guard saw Washington D.C largely undefended when the British attacked, and, although King George ruled from his estate in Virginia, the Chancellor and Congress were attacked. The death of Chancellor Crawford in the Capitol fire shook the war mongerers in Congress, who met in Philadelphia to elect a new Chancellor, but infighting forced residual governments to rise nationally and the British were able to make major gains in the middle of the country. Luckily, due to the successes of later-to-be-famous-for-something-more-relevant-to-this-timeline generals and the release of Canada by U.S forces, the British drew white peace in June of 1813
[6] The failure of Congress to draft a new Chancellor in war time prompted a resurgence of the Nationalist party and the anti-War Constitutionalists calls for a new Republic and an overhaul of the Articulations of the nation. A vote of no confidence in the lack thereof government after the white peace led to sweeping national victories for heroes of the defense of the country that told stories of the horrors of war. Despite the Monarchists attempts to twist the narrative in their favor and hail an American victory, King George found himself under fire for being safely away in Virginia while his troops failed to defend the Capitol both he and his army were responsible for. Both constitutionalists (little c to denote the affiliation outside of the party itself) and monarchists alike agreed for the necessity of reform, but during the constitutional convention in D.C it was the Radicals like John Forsyth of Georgia who would steal the show with calls to, “abolish the tyrannical monarchy which, time and time again, has single handidly pushed our nation to and beyond the brink of conflict”. The radicals would be pushed out of the committee, where they would reconvene in Lexington, Kentucky and draw up a counter constitution. Meanwhile, in D.C, the moderate constitutionalists began to become frustrated with the monarchists inacceptance of certain demands such as the reduction in size of the Kings Guard, and direct elections of Chancellors. It would be the return of the radical delegation in August, 1813 that would prompt the monarchists to abandon convention. The south, and west again threatened secession when the King outlawed the meeting of the convention and the Kings Guard found itself in a shootout with Virginia militia outside of a meeting house of the radical constitutionalists. After the defeat of a small group of Kings Guard, the King himself called on Congress to disband again, however most Monarchists, seeing the coming tides, refused to back the King in his endeavor and called for his stepping down from the throne. When General Andrew Jackson, a hero of the war of 1812, smashed the remaining Kings Guard in the Battle of Mount Vernon the royal estate became surrounded by American nationalist forces and the King was forced to surrender. His attempt at coup had failed, however the Monarchists were able to defend the position of King as a largely ceremonial title following his arrest and handing over of the throne to his only living child, now Queen Mary-Ann. The new constitution of the Second Republic of the United States was ratified on January 4, 1814. The Monarchists took major hits at the polls, however the Constitutionalists saw their party break into radical anti-monarchist factions and irrelevancy as the Nationalists won a great victory behind congressmen Henry Clay of Kentucky who was seen as a foremost broker of the peace between the Monarchists and the Constitutionalists after the conflict of 1813. Clay would be the first Chancellor elected by popular election under the new constitution.
King George I (November 1, 1788 – December 14, 1799)
House of Custis
King George II (December 14, 1799 – October 15, 1813)
Queen Mary-Anna (October 15, 1813 - November 5, 1873)
King George III (November 5, 1873 – February 18, 1913)
King Robert (February 18, 1913 – September 4, 1922)
King George IV (September 4, 1922 – July 13, 1948)
King Robert II (July 13, 1948 – Modern Era)
Chancellor of the Congress of States – First Republic of the United States
Cyrus Griffin (I-VA) 1788-1792 [1]
John Jay (N-NY) 1792-1796
Alexander Hamilton (M-NY) 1796-1799 [2]
John Armstrong (M-NY) 1799-1803 [3]
Thomas Jefferson (C-VA) 1803-1811
William Crawford (M-GA) 1811-1813 [5]
No Government 1813
Chancellor of the Congress of States – Second Republic of the United States
Henry Clay (N-KY) 1814-1818 [6]
[1] Following the ratification of the Founding Articulation of American States the role of Chancellor of Congress was created above the speaker of the House and President of the Senate. He was not elected by popular vote but congressional appointment out of a set of candidates to be approved by the Monarch. Early senate procedures mandated a 3/5-vote majority to propose a Chancellor, while the House gave the power to their Speaker. The Chancellor of Congress held limitations similar to their role as President of the Continental Congress, however the position was created in a compromise of delegation between the monarchists and the constitutionalists. Griffin’s unanimous election as an ascendent candidate after his appointment by General and King Washington turned him to become an independent, unaligned with either party. This position, as John Jay leader of the Nationalists and founding father wrote “Would be forced to find neutrality, as the semblance of order we have found in this young nation is quick to crumble when factionalism divides”. Ironically, Jay would run as a constitutionalist just four years later.
[2] The election of 1796 saw Alexander Hamilton put forth by King George and approved on the Monarchist ticket. His strong protectionist measures and rehashing of constitutional authority to the Chancellor was wildly unpopular with the southern nationalists. In both parties a constitutionalist faction grew of those enraged by Britishesque monarchism. The death of King Washington in 1799, a prime supporter of Chancellor Hamilton, compounded with a large economic downturn after a blistering winter and famine in the South, in 1798 led to the House passing a vote of No-Confidence and the Senate voting to dissolve 17-15.
[3] The election of 1799 saw no compromise met for months, as John Armstrong, the monarchist appointment and a senator from New York, was proposed by the monarchist plurality. However, anti-New York sentiment and the rising constitutionalist factions saw a split Senate in votes. Newly elected House Speaker Theodore Sedgwick (M-MA) managed the Grand Deal of 1799 – John Armstrong would serve one four year term, where he would turn over much of the power of the Chancellorship to the House and Senate, after which Speaker Sedgwick would resign and allow a new popular election to be run by opposition parties directly rather than out of Monarchial appointments.
After four quiet years of the Armstrong, the national vote on the Chancellorship was put up, but nationally Monarchists objected despite the deal of 1799. On July 4, 1803, just a month shy of the set date for the referendum to take place, King George II forbid the national elections and used the military to block polling as he cited his power to “defend the Articulations of American States”. National protests and backlash prompted South Carolina to attempt to secede from the Union. The nationalists, intent on staying in favor of the Monarchy but pushing for referendum, held them internally and published the results nationally as a protest against the government crackdowns. On August 23, under national pressure and staring down the possibility of war with a group of southern states, King George II withdrew troops stationed at the Capital and freed several senators imprisoned for attempting to run without his permission. However, South Carolina went through with its threat and voted to resign from the Union. On August 26, a newly elected and disaffected Constitutionalist-Nationalist coalition voted to affirm their secession as an independent entity as the fault of the monarchy, but condemn any further splitting of the union. The referendum ended with a vote 20-12 for Constitutionalist Thomas Jefferson in the Senate and a landslide majority in the House for the Constitutionalist party where newly elected House Speaker John Jackson (C-VA) whipped a nearly unanimous vote for the election of Thomas Jefferson to the Chancellorship. He would serve two terms.
[5] The question of the 1811 election would be the jurisdiction for conflict. Although the articles allowed the King to ask for a declaration of war, he also was afforded control over his own wing of the military, notably the Kings Guard and expanded under George II to the Kings militias. As the OTL jurisdiction for conflict with Britain expanded and the constitutionalists called for war, the monarchist party looked to the lead of their King. George himself had a questionably cushy relationship with the newly coronated King George IV (after the death of his father three years prior from pneumonia). This angered the Constitutionalist majorities, who began to expand calls for an abolition of the “useless and tired monarchy”. The Constitutionalists call for war split them with the Nationalists who, despite recent failures in Chancellorship elections held large majorities in the middle states (most notably the Ohio, and Pennsylvania delegations) affording them a large amount of influence as the third American party. This dissention would lead to a defection from the coalition by the Nationalists when, in May 1811, the King would move to a vote of war with England. Nationalist Party leader Thomas Kirker stated, “Conflict for our young and fragile nation can only lead to great turmoil in the lives of the men that will be sent to die for the arrogant political gains of a vain King and a group of rabid dogs in congress.” The split in the coalition would lead to an unlikely alliance between the Constitutionalists and Monarchists, as split public support for war saw dissent from both Monarchists whose isolationist policies faltered with the Kings and Constitutionalists who saw the war as a way to distract from an unpopular Monarchy. The Nationalist split would cost the Constitutionalists their voting majority, and force them to stand behind the compromise candidate, a pro-war Southern Monarchist that was the Military Secretary under Chancellor Jefferson – William Crawford. Nonetheless, they were able to ratify a declaration of war against the United Kingdom of November 13, 1811.
The conflict went exceedingly well for the United States in its early months, but after continuing naval failures and an inability to rally troops, the United States found itself under attack. A successful occupation of Toronto by the Kings Guard saw Washington D.C largely undefended when the British attacked, and, although King George ruled from his estate in Virginia, the Chancellor and Congress were attacked. The death of Chancellor Crawford in the Capitol fire shook the war mongerers in Congress, who met in Philadelphia to elect a new Chancellor, but infighting forced residual governments to rise nationally and the British were able to make major gains in the middle of the country. Luckily, due to the successes of later-to-be-famous-for-something-more-relevant-to-this-timeline generals and the release of Canada by U.S forces, the British drew white peace in June of 1813
[6] The failure of Congress to draft a new Chancellor in war time prompted a resurgence of the Nationalist party and the anti-War Constitutionalists calls for a new Republic and an overhaul of the Articulations of the nation. A vote of no confidence in the lack thereof government after the white peace led to sweeping national victories for heroes of the defense of the country that told stories of the horrors of war. Despite the Monarchists attempts to twist the narrative in their favor and hail an American victory, King George found himself under fire for being safely away in Virginia while his troops failed to defend the Capitol both he and his army were responsible for. Both constitutionalists (little c to denote the affiliation outside of the party itself) and monarchists alike agreed for the necessity of reform, but during the constitutional convention in D.C it was the Radicals like John Forsyth of Georgia who would steal the show with calls to, “abolish the tyrannical monarchy which, time and time again, has single handidly pushed our nation to and beyond the brink of conflict”. The radicals would be pushed out of the committee, where they would reconvene in Lexington, Kentucky and draw up a counter constitution. Meanwhile, in D.C, the moderate constitutionalists began to become frustrated with the monarchists inacceptance of certain demands such as the reduction in size of the Kings Guard, and direct elections of Chancellors. It would be the return of the radical delegation in August, 1813 that would prompt the monarchists to abandon convention. The south, and west again threatened secession when the King outlawed the meeting of the convention and the Kings Guard found itself in a shootout with Virginia militia outside of a meeting house of the radical constitutionalists. After the defeat of a small group of Kings Guard, the King himself called on Congress to disband again, however most Monarchists, seeing the coming tides, refused to back the King in his endeavor and called for his stepping down from the throne. When General Andrew Jackson, a hero of the war of 1812, smashed the remaining Kings Guard in the Battle of Mount Vernon the royal estate became surrounded by American nationalist forces and the King was forced to surrender. His attempt at coup had failed, however the Monarchists were able to defend the position of King as a largely ceremonial title following his arrest and handing over of the throne to his only living child, now Queen Mary-Ann. The new constitution of the Second Republic of the United States was ratified on January 4, 1814. The Monarchists took major hits at the polls, however the Constitutionalists saw their party break into radical anti-monarchist factions and irrelevancy as the Nationalists won a great victory behind congressmen Henry Clay of Kentucky who was seen as a foremost broker of the peace between the Monarchists and the Constitutionalists after the conflict of 1813. Clay would be the first Chancellor elected by popular election under the new constitution.
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