Let The Eagle Scream Version 2: Star-Spangled-Boogaloo
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What is the US population during the start of the war? Could we see population charts of countries before and after the war?
I'll have to figure out how to do charts, but here's my best guess for before:
USA (including Territories): 161,690,650
Germany (including colonies and Mitteleuropa clients): 225,283,597
Tripartite Empire: 41,118,636
China: 267,000,000
Britain (including colonies): 496,723,020
France (including colonies) 60,543,900
Japan (including colonies and Occupied China): 284,119,000
I feel like this America is somewhat overestimating it's assimilation ability. Not just in Canada but in terms of the rest of their empire as well.
You're going to see some pushback soon. Canada won't be super difficult just because of the already extant similarities, but in places like the Philippines, concessions will be made on certain issues for the stability of the Union. However, one thing that's made it easier is that unlike IOTL, assimilation has actually meant relatively equal treatment regardless of skin color. Another thing that makes it easier is that the Yankees are themselves adopting aspects of the cultures they colonize, which means everyone can see themselves in the broader national culture. However, you will be seeing compromises fairly soon.
What is Hetalia? I've heard the name being several times in other sites.
It's an anime where the countries of the world are given human forms. The name is a portmanteau of "Hetare", a Japanese word for "useless" or "pathetic", and "Italia". The joke being a reference to how generally useless Italy was for the Axis in WWII.
I remember in the original Let The Eagle Scream the political divide between the Democrats/Republicans was the way they treated the colonies and different cultures. When I was reading it, I thought the Democrats were being a bit too negative to other non-American cultures that were simply too different. I feel in this new thread, when the Democrats/Republicans split happens, there has to be a moderate wing in the party that is more accepting of other cultures (I didn't think there was one when reading the old thread), provided they americanize as time goes by. Keep up the good work, can't wait for the next update.
Maybe combine that with ideas that American culture should take the best of the cultures it assimilates as well?
The Empire Strikes Back: Part I
The Empire Strikes Back: Part I
Royal Marines in Dublin (1940)
The rapid fall of Canada surprised the Allies. Far from being terrified and beaten down, the Yankees were on a rip-roaring rampage of revenge. To distract the public from the loss of such an old and integral part of the Empire, the British focused on reclaiming another old and once integral part of their Empire, the Emerald Isle. Mosley's government had long targeted the Irish as racially inferior and traitorous, but had refrained from attacking them to focus on Germany and Scandinavia. With the German Luftwaffe gradually reclaiming control of the skies and starting to target London, the war in Scandinavia a de facto stalemate, and now the loss of Canada, London wanted a quick and easy victory. That's what they got.... in a manner of speaking.
Royal Marines in Dublin (1940)
The actual invasion of Ireland, launched in March of 1940, quickly swept away most of the conventional forces in the Republic. It couldn't have ended any other way, really. Even a wounded and faltering Britain still ruled an Empire of almost half a billion people, and had one of the most powerful industrial bases in the world. It took about three months to annihilate the Irish Army and the assorted armed forces. Germany and America tried to get supplies in to the country, but the Royal Navy blockade was pretty much airtight around the island. However, increasingly advanced American submarines would frequently run the blockade in the months and years after the initial invasion, keeping the growing Irish resistance alive.
Even after the initial invasion, Ireland's people didn't give up the fight. In the cities, neighborhoods coordinated to disrupt British patrols and took out squadrons of the revived Black and Tans. The countryside became a veritable hornet's nest of hostile farmers, waging guerilla warfare in the bogs and fields. The British responded by razing villages and neighborhoods, seizing farms, and slaughtering families. Leaders of suspected resistance groups, including a good portion of the Catholic clergy (to France's quiet dismay) were publicly hanged. These increasingly brutal tactics only stiffened resistance in the country, as many Irish didn't see a way to somewhat peacefully endure British occupation. By October of 1940, London had decided enough was enough, and began creating "A Final Answer to the Colonial Problem." In Ireland and elsewhere so-called Erstwhile Camps were constructed at a rapid clip. Ireland was targeted first, and 5 Erstwhile Camps were established in the Emerald Isle. Entire villages would be loaded onto trucks and shoved into the camps, which were nothing short of forced labor camps. The inmates would work on farms or other basic tasks for 14 hours a day, and then go back to cramped, filthy bunk-style dormitories. Those too old, young, or weak to work were unceremoniously shot and burned. The world would learn about the camps in December, thanks to a surprising resistance.
Despite the overweening dominance of the Sons of Britannia, Labour, the Liberals, and the Tories still sat in Parliament and throughout government, even if Mosely was the man in charge. The Tories, thanks to their conservatism and ties to the aristocracy, were actually treated semi-decently and had access to real power and information. Among those Tories in government was one Winston Churchill. Winnie, as he was so affectionately called, had flattered, connived, and worked his way to a prominent, if informal, role in the British war effort by 1940. He was also leading a silent resistance within Parliament, and a spy for the Central Powers. His help was crucial for American blockade runners, who likely wouldn't have succeeded in any meaningful way without the naval records he was able to pass along. When he came across the files on the Erstwhile Camps, he was horrified. While he had supported more traditional concentration camps in South Africa during the Boer War, the Erstwhile Camps were another level of brutality. He might have been willing to do much to support the Empire, but there was no excuse for lining up old men and women and murdering them. He gathered what documentation he could get away with, and passed them onto his handlers. The Germans remained suspicious of Churchill, who had been an enemy in the last war, and thus scoffed at what he put in front of them regarding the camps. His American handlers trusted him much more, in no small part thanks to his American heritage on his mother's side, and the American media began shouting at the top of their lungs about the camps. The world scoffed at them, at least until the Liberation of Ireland.
The USS Santo Domingo, a submersible blockade runner (1940 colorized)
Winston Churchill, Empire Patriot turned Rebel (1941)
Irishmen at work in Erstwhile Camp #5
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After seeing Madness!Churchill, it's nice to see a version of him that ends up helping save the Irish from genocide.
The Empire Strikes Back: Part II
The Empire Strikes Back: Part II
Indian soldiers in Persia (1940)
The loss of Canada was a crippling blow to the British Empire in several ways. There was of course the effect on morale and prestige within the Empire, as the loss of an integral and ancient part of the Empire deeply concerned people throughout the country. On a more practical level, the loss of Albertan oil crippled the Imperial war effort. Canada was the single largest producer of oil within the GIA bloc, and the loss of the nation's oilfields threatened to strangle the whole war effort. Indonesia also had oil, but it alone wasn't enough to sustain the whole Alliance, and buying from the Soviets wasn't exactly their favorite thing to do. To compensate the British would invade German territory on multiple fronts, attacking the Middle East via Egypt, and Germany's Persian allies via India, in an effort to secure the oil reserves of those territories and keep the war effort sustainable over the long run. These efforts wouldn't be as successful as they needed to be, and many people mark this as the beginning of the somewhat drawn out collapse of the GIA.
Indian soldiers in Persia (1940)
On July 17th of 1940, the British launched simultaneous attacks against German Arabia and German aligned Persia. Between the two efforts, approximately 1 million men were thrown into battle. The Germans had expected such a maneuver at some point, and were thus well prepared. Persia's border with India had been heavily fortified by both Berlin and the Shah, and they managed to hold up the large (700,000 strong) invasion force for three weeks before retreating. The next two years would be spent in a grueling guerilla and conventional war that ground down German forces, the Raj, and the Shah's grip on power, while Britain remained unable to seize most of the country's oil. The Invasion of Persia would be one of the bloodiest conflicts of the war, slaughtering over 1 million Indian sepoys, destroying entire communities in Persia, and putting real strain on German forces in the region. The mountainous north of the country would essentially fall into anarchy in the Spring of '41, as all parties involved were much more concerned with the oilfields of the south than anything else, and the Persian government lost the capacity to effectively govern its own country outside of the core of the country.
The Soviet Union stepped into the breach in the north in May of '41, backing a hitherto unknown group known as the Persian Imperial Communist Movement. The Movement was Marxist in its economics, secular in its religiosity, and ultra-nationalist in its politics. The group had less than 1,000 members at the start of the war in Persia, concentrated in the North near the USSR. However, as the north fell into anarchy, Stalin saw an opportunity to expand the Soviet Union's influence. He gave thousands of tons worth of food, clothes, and medicine to the PICM, as well as thousands of guns, hundreds of artillery pieces, and millions of rounds of ammo. Overnight, the PICM became the de facto government of the region, and its ranks would swell to over 2 million. 100,000 Soviet troops entered the north under the guise of humanitarian intervention, and upon being met with indifference, began pushing their allies to seize the country. The leader of the PICM, Xerxes Araki, was hesitant to do so for fear of giving the British an advantage over the south of the country. To counteract this concern, Stalin cut a deal with the warlords of Afghanistan: they would receive silent Soviet support if they stirred up rebellion in the Muslim majority north of the Raj, and harassed British troops in India and Persia. Once heavily bribed, they agreed, and were remarkably successful in doing so. Swift attacks on already fragile supply lines resulted in thousands of troops going without food and ammo for weeks, killing thousands. Moreover, after sparking dozens of riots in the region, the Muslim majority north of India blew up in rebellion on the last day of Ramadan, 1942, after members of the Aryan Empire League attempted to disrupt celebrations. This made continued operations in Persia untenable, and the sepoys rushed home to try and keep the crumbling Raj in one piece.
With the British expelled from Persia, the Soviets and their allies struck south at the end of October, 1942. The Germans, devoted to keeping Arabia under control and genuinely exhausted in Persia, pulled out of the region after some embarrassing defeats. The Shah and his family were deported to German Arabia upon their capture in December. On January 1st, 1943, The Socialist National State of Persia was declared, and Iran became the first Communist state outside of Russia. Clerics, businessmen, and foreign adventurers were rounded up and executed, while the oil fields were nationalized. In Moscow, Stalin boasted "The Tsars said that the Russian soldiers would one day wash their boots in the Indian Ocean. I actually made it happen." With this seizure of Iran, the Soviets also maintained their de facto monopoly on the oil supply of the GIA, for which they increasingly price gouged them. The Eurasian Soviet Working Man marched on, proving to the world that he once again helmed a global superpower.
The Middle East was less disastrous for both sides, which says very little. The initial British invasion of 200,000 men from the Dominions was bolstered by their willingness to boost radical Islamic elements in German Arabia, which had experienced radicalization and growth under German rule. The Germans had a sturdy garrison in the region, but were overwhelmed in the first months of fighting. During the first six months, the British were able to extract tens of millions of barrels of oil, greatly shoring up the war effort. However, the Germans would soon counterpunch, with help from a new army of 250,000 composed predominantly of Kurds and Assyrians. The Kurds and Assyrians would be invaluable to keeping German control over Iraq and Syria, which also dealt with British invasions and fundamentalist rebellions. In fact, Assyrian general Naramsin Younan would be the strategic genius behind the tank wars that would result in Britain being pushed out of Arabia in the Spring of '42, and would soon use these tactics to push into Egypt in '43. Egypt would fall by September of '43, thanks to native indifference to British rule. The end result of the collaboration between the Kurds, Assyrians, and Germans was a move that would occur after the war, in both the Middle East and Africa. On June 16th, 1944, the German government announced the creation of the Kurdish and Assyrian Martial States within her Middle Eastern empire. In return for remaining obedient to German foreign policy and providing armies to secure the rest of the territory, the Kurds and Assyrians would have a high degree of internal autonomy. The empire was evolving.
The Flag of the Socialist National State of Iran
Kurdish fighters in German Arabia (1942)
The Flag of the Assyrian Martial State
The flag of the Kurdish Martial State
Will there be a third part of the britsh invison or heading back to the balkans nexts. Also the aysrian flag you are using was adopted in 1971.It replaced an flag first flown in 1920. Heres a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_flag#/media/File:Old_Assyrian_Flag.svgThe Empire Strikes Back: Part IIThe loss of Canada was a crippling blow to the British Empire in several ways. There was of course the effect on morale and prestige within the Empire, as the loss of an integral and ancient part of the Empire deeply concerned people throughout the country. On a more practical level, the loss of Albertan oil crippled the Imperial war effort. Canada was the single largest producer of oil within the GIA bloc, and the loss of the nation's oilfields threatened to strangle the whole war effort. Indonesia also had oil, but it alone wasn't enough to sustain the whole Alliance, and buying from the Soviets wasn't exactly their favorite thing to do. To compensate the British would invade German territory on multiple fronts, attacking the Middle East via Egypt, and Germany's Persian allies via India, in an effort to secure the oil reserves of those territories and keep the war effort sustainable over the long run. These efforts wouldn't be as successful as they needed to be, and many people mark this as the beginning of the somewhat drawn out collapse of the GIA.
Indian soldiers in Persia (1940)
On July 17th of 1940, the British launched simultaneous attacks against German Arabia and German aligned Persia. Between the two efforts, approximately 1 million men were thrown into battle. The Germans had expected such a maneuver at some point, and were thus well prepared. Persia's border with India had been heavily fortified by both Berlin and the Shah, and they managed to hold up the large (700,000 strong) invasion force for three weeks before retreating. The next two years would be spent in a grueling guerilla and conventional war that ground down German forces, the Raj, and the Shah's grip on power, while Britain remained unable to seize most of the country's oil. The Invasion of Persia would be one of the bloodiest conflicts of the war, slaughtering over 1 million Indian sepoys, destroying entire communities in Persia, and putting real strain on German forces in the region. The mountainous north of the country would essentially fall into anarchy in the Spring of '41, as all parties involved were much more concerned with the oilfields of the south than anything else, and the Persian government lost the capacity to effectively govern its own country outside of the core of the country.
The Soviet Union stepped into the breach in the north in May of '41, backing a hitherto unknown group known as the Persian Imperial Communist Movement. The Movement was Marxist in its economics, secular in its religiosity, and ultra-nationalist in its politics. The group had less than 1,000 members at the start of the war in Persia, concentrated in the North near the USSR. However, as the north fell into anarchy, Stalin saw an opportunity to expand the Soviet Union's influence. He gave thousands of tons worth of food, clothes, and medicine to the PICM, as well as thousands of guns, hundreds of artillery pieces, and millions of rounds of ammo. Overnight, the PICM became the de facto government of the region, and its ranks would swell to over 2 million. 100,000 Soviet troops entered the north under the guise of humanitarian intervention, and upon being met with indifference, began pushing their allies to seize the country. The leader of the PICM, Xerxes Araki, was hesitant to do so for fear of giving the British an advantage over the south of the country. To counteract this concern, Stalin cut a deal with the warlords of Afghanistan: they would receive silent Soviet support if they stirred up rebellion in the Muslim majority north of the Raj, and harassed British troops in India and Persia. Once heavily bribed, they agreed, and were remarkably successful in doing so. Swift attacks on already fragile supply lines resulted in thousands of troops going without food and ammo for weeks, killing thousands. Moreover, after sparking dozens of riots in the region, the Muslim majority north of India blew up in rebellion on the last day of Ramadan, 1942, after members of the Aryan Empire League attempted to disrupt celebrations. This made continued operations in Persia untenable, and the sepoys rushed home to try and keep the crumbling Raj in one piece.
With the British expelled from Persia, the Soviets and their allies struck south at the end of October, 1942. The Germans, devoted to keeping Arabia under control and genuinely exhausted in Persia, pulled out of the region after some embarrassing defeats. The Shah and his family were deported to German Arabia upon their capture in December. On January 1st, 1943, The Socialist National State of Persia was declared, and Iran became the first Communist state outside of Russia. Clerics, businessmen, and foreign adventurers were rounded up and executed, while the oil fields were nationalized. In Moscow, Stalin boasted "The Tsars said that the Russian soldiers would one day wash their boots in the Indian Ocean. I actually made it happen." With this seizure of Iran, the Soviets also maintained their de facto monopoly on the oil supply of the GIA, for which they increasingly price gouged them. The Eurasian Soviet Working Man marched on, proving to the world that he once again helmed a global superpower.
The Middle East was less disastrous for both sides, which says very little. The initial British invasion of 200,000 men from the Dominions was bolstered by their willingness to boost radical Islamic elements in German Arabia, which had experienced radicalization and growth under German rule. The Germans had a sturdy garrison in the region, but were overwhelmed in the first months of fighting. During the first six months, the British were able to extract tens of millions of barrels of oil, greatly shoring up the war effort. However, the Germans would soon counterpunch, with help from a new army of 250,000 composed predominantly of Kurds and Assyrians. The Kurds and Assyrians would be invaluable to keeping German control over Iraq and Syria, which also dealt with British invasions and fundamentalist rebellions. In fact, Assyrian general Naramsin Younan would be the strategic genius behind the tank wars that would result in Britain being pushed out of Arabia in the Spring of '42, and would soon use these tactics to push into Egypt in '43. Egypt would fall by September of '43, thanks to native indifference to British rule. The end result of the collaboration between the Kurds, Assyrians, and Germans was a move that would occur after the war, in both the Middle East and Africa. On June 16th, 1944, the German government announced the creation of the Kurdish and Assyrian Martial States within her Middle Eastern empire. In return for remaining obedient to German foreign policy and providing armies to secure the rest of the territory, the Kurds and Assyrians would have a high degree of internal autonomy. The empire was evolving.
The Flag of the Socialist National State of Iran
Kurdish fighters in German Arabia (1942)
The Flag of the Assyrian Martial State
The flag of the Kurdish Martial State
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Socialist Iran has a cool flag, at least. It looks the war won't last much longer with Canada and India out of the fight. I'd like to see what's been going on in Western Europe since the French invasion stalled out.
Waiting to see what happens in India between Soviet and possible Entente supplied groups along with various native and British groups.
I'm gonna cover technology, then we're going to see the whole situation in Europe, hop down to Africa, back over to Asia, and then we'll start to see the end of the war.
I wonder how the war will affect movies and popular culture when the war ends and all the soldiers come home. Do you think the Germans will support Khomeini's rise to power in Iran ITTL?
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