(Kaiserreich) What is your opinion on chairman William Foster?

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  1. Gukpard hominem populist

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    William.Z. Foster is a very complicated figure, and since I'm from Brazil ( a country that took hundreds of thousand of American refugees during and after the 2nd civil war) I cannot have a unbiased view on him since every American immigrant or refugee here hates him a lot, while in America the discussion is more 50/50. After the civil war the strongest faction on the Reed government were the totalists and due his age and health problems, John Reed decided that it was better to appoint Foster since not appointing a totalist would cause political chaos and the other option, Earl browder was a known crook and also supported the planned economy, something that just does not work.

    Foster tool over in November of 1938 and was re-elected in 1940. On his government he did good and bad things, but all inside his very Bolshevik, even mosleyte logic of the dictatorship of the proletariat, the CIA was created and became quite infamous for using torture and intimidation, at the same time they successfully crushed the KKK and the guerrillas left over from the civil war bringing stability. He expanded the trade unions, focused on the production of cars and the automobile unions, but at the same time these unions leaders were appointed by the centralist faction of the Socialist Party of America, thus they didn't brought all the reforms the people wanted as the interests of the state had to be put on account. Foster ended segregation and refused his VP, mister Ford plan of creating autonomous Afro-American communes, believing that racism could die down not by segregation but by cohesistense, at the same time he also lifted all restrictions for women to get government posts and even allowed them to join the army. Foster allowed also some officers from both the south and the feds to join the continental army of the USAS allowing the reestructioration of the army into a modern combat force.

    For the things I said above, it seems that Foster was a good person who did some questionable things, however now let's move to the things that his supporters try to hide:

    Foster considered making the pioneers of America a obligatory organization, to force children to be conscripted into it and only gave up the idea after vice president Ford told him that the backlash would be too big. He cracked down on strikes in state owned factories and arrested their leaders, while also firing the union leaders who were unfriendly to his totalist ideology. He ordered the execution of Earl Browder solely due his rivalry with him, while also arresting most of the browderite faction into his forced labour camps. And about these camps they were filled with political prisoners, we all have traded the histories and seen the documentaries about the harsh life there and while it is true that some were far right activists, macArthurist officers and corrupt politicians, a lot of democratic oppositors and even syndicalists, socialists and Christian leftists were locked to do five, ten, even twenty years of forced labour. The absolute worst moment of Foster government was on may of 1942 when he brought a clearly tortured and starved Henry Wallace to the Congress in Chicago to testify against the progressive faction, I'm posting a video below of that momento (it is blocked on some.american states so you might need to pirate it through a blog or something)
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    Shortly after this disgracefull moment, Smedley Butler mobilised his armoured corps who had just returned victorious from the New England war and attacked Chicago. The city was locked in fight between Butler forces and the CIA along with the police and soldiers loyal to Foster, while the air force refused to take paet and bomb Americans. On April 1st of 1942 they broke into the Congress and Foster died resisting with his supporters after being shot multiple times, thus confirming himself as a matyr of the totalist cause and at the same time ending what the oppositors call his rule of terror. Butler spent the next month's lifting most of the repressive measures and changed the name of the country, while also allowing freer elections to take place in 1944 allowing the election of the first American female president, Elizabeth Flynn.

    So I ask you: what do you think of the "short" presidency of William Z. Foster? Was he as bad as people say? Was him as good as his supporters say? Was Smedley Butler right on attacking his own capital to get rid of him?
     
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  2. HIM Dogson Rationally Royalist

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    Smedly Butler is a vile cuck and a traitor to Syndicalism everywhere. Foster was planning on marching to the aid of Mosley and Deat, whose brave resistance to the Russo-German imperialists was about to falter under the weight of the peasant hordes. However, the Kaiser, knowing that the great American fighting man would send the Huns and Mongoloids running, payed Smedly Butler to murder Foster the brave, allowing for monarchist dominance of Eurasia to continue to this day (Bharatiya doesn't count, they don't even ban religion). Butler is the most vile traitor in the history of the world, even worse than Benedict Arnold, and one day when the CPUSA defeats the bougeoisie puppet "Syndicalists" be it through election or revolution, the USSA (as it will be again known) will embark on a great crusade to liberate the world!
     
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  3. Gukpard hominem populist

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    Oh really? Was Henry Wallace a traitor to be show clearly tortured in newsreels?
     
  4. HIM Dogson Rationally Royalist

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    Henry Wallace was not tortured; that is a lie published by Capitalist propagandists. He had a change of heart and helped Foster destroy the vile reformists of his own free will.
     
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  5. Gukpard hominem populist

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    Here a video recorded in 1974 with one of his guards testifying that Henry Wallace was tortured for two months and lost 21 kg:

    --post video here in bad quality with a THC logo publishied in 2007--
     
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  6. HIM Dogson Rationally Royalist

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    Look, if you would only go on the amazing source of SocraticSorelian.com you'd see clear proof that (((reactionaries))) forced that guard to testify to that effect. There are no lows to which the capitalists will not sink.

    But back on target, Foster obviously would have pushed back the German and Russian forces; at that point they were at the gates of Paris, but Totalist will would have driven them back.
     
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  7. akoslows Well-Known Member

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    Congratulations on spreading reactionary propaganda decades after the end of the Second Civil War!

    The Silver Legion would be so proud of you!
     
  8. Gukpard hominem populist

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    That is a reductio ad Codreanum! Pelley used a tie, Foster used a tie, does that make Foster a Silver Legionarie?

    I agree that the american help was decisive, but whoever was in power, be the libertarian socialists or the syndicalists or the totalists would have fought, so much that People's President Smedley kept the forces there to the bitter end after taking over and he was pretty chill comparated to Foster.
     
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  9. HIM Dogson Rationally Royalist

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    You're missing my point. Syndicalists wouldn't have pushed them back, because all Syndicalists are secretly spies for Capitalism! Hence Butler was never going tofight; if for whatever reason he was in Europe he would have ordered his troops to turn on the true Totalists. That's what Syndicalists do. Take the Indians, for instance; after the fall of the Maximists the Bharatiya Syndicalists abandoned the brave Cambodian revolutionary hero Pol Pot to his fate at the hands of Qing hangmen!
     
  10. Gukpard hominem populist

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    No more internet for me today.

    Remember kids: Never argue with internet totalists
     
  11. akoslows Well-Known Member

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    Running away when confronted with facts.

    Typical strategy for reactionaries.
     
  12. Burton K Wheeler l'état profond, c'est moi Moderator

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    You're already kicked for posting roleplaying threads in on-topic forums, but let me reiterate. DON'T POST ROLEPLAYING THREADS IN ON TOPIC FORUMS.
     
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