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Back in the old Darkest Hour KR days, CentroAmerica was already established and traded coffee, bananas, and chocolate to France and Britain.
Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg
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Back in the old Darkest Hour KR days, CentroAmerica was already established and traded coffee, bananas, and chocolate to France and Britain.
chankljp
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I think there is a scenario with a Post-Second Civil War US that is really under explored, and deserve its own unique focus tree and events..... When the conflict is two-sided, due to either President Olson compromising with Reed, or President Garner compromising with Long.
In the older versions of KR back when it was possible for President Curtis/Olson to avert the Second Civil War all together, with the US no longer holding the Idiot Ball and the immediate crisis resolved, by 1941 a few years later, both the AFP and the SPA would simply have slowly faded into obscurity and back into the political fringe, due to the AFP broken as a political force with the death of Long, and SPA not longer being able to even carry a single state in presidential elections due to the US' post-Fair Deal economic recovery.
.... In the current two-sided Second Civil War scenarios, however, either the SPA or the AFP would absolutely be staying on as viable political forces in the foreseeable future. With either the SPA in charge of the 'National Labor Board' under Olson, or the AFP in charge of the 'Un-American Activities Committee' under Garner. If anything, with the other side getting even more radicalized to the point of triggering the Second Civil War on their own, the side that sided with the Federal government will only get more influential in the foreseeable future after the war.
In the case of the SPA cooperating with President Olson and later Quentin Roosevelt, during post-SACW reconstruction, I can see the SPA pressuring the Federal government towards nationalizing all the companies such as Ford which sided with the AUS, and perhaps advocating on a scheme of land redistribution by seizing farmlands in the South from owners that sided with the AUS, and transferring ownership over to farming cooperatives operated by former sharecroppers (Organized by the SPA, of course. So that they will have a loyal voter base in the South going forward). While in terms of foreign policy, in this scenario, I think that with the SPA working with the Federal government, it should prevent the US from joining WK2 on the side of the Entente, or at least causing massive unrest from nation-wide solidarity strikes organized by a clearly politically bias NLB, while the SPA actively calls for workplace sabotage and draft dodging in order to sabotage the war effort in any scenario in which the US goes to war against a syndicalist country (And yes, that includes even if the US is the one side getting invaded by a syndicalist country).
While for the case of the AFP cooperating with President Garner... I think the consequences would be even more damaging to American democracy in the long-termed compared to even a victorious MacArthur going down the Cincinnatus path after his coup. For this scenario, Garner would have tried to end the Great Depression by introducing austerity and cutting public spending in all sectors, especially towards the social security... In exchange for giving Huey Long's Share Our Wealth Society tax breaks, in addition to putting Long in charge of the 'Un-American Activities Committee'... The plan with the austerity measures becoming totally moot the moment the Second Civil War broke out with war-time military spending.... But Long and his supporters will still in charge of the UAC after the Second Civil War agains the CSA. I just cannot see a positive future for the US with this level of cronyism on the highest level of the Federal government. Not to mention you just know Long would be welding the UAC to an even worst degree compared to what McCarthy did in OTL, with the AFP taking advantage of the post-SCW environment to use the UAC as their personal inquisition, arresting and blacklisting anyone that he does not like by painting them as CSA supporters, especially any journalist that dares to look into the corruption in Southern politics. Far from neutralizing the AFP, in this scenario, Long, unless he is assassinated, would absolutely be in an even better position to run for the White House again in 1940....
Just my thoughts on an area that deserves to be explored in more detail.
In the older versions of KR back when it was possible for President Curtis/Olson to avert the Second Civil War all together, with the US no longer holding the Idiot Ball and the immediate crisis resolved, by 1941 a few years later, both the AFP and the SPA would simply have slowly faded into obscurity and back into the political fringe, due to the AFP broken as a political force with the death of Long, and SPA not longer being able to even carry a single state in presidential elections due to the US' post-Fair Deal economic recovery.
.... In the current two-sided Second Civil War scenarios, however, either the SPA or the AFP would absolutely be staying on as viable political forces in the foreseeable future. With either the SPA in charge of the 'National Labor Board' under Olson, or the AFP in charge of the 'Un-American Activities Committee' under Garner. If anything, with the other side getting even more radicalized to the point of triggering the Second Civil War on their own, the side that sided with the Federal government will only get more influential in the foreseeable future after the war.
In the case of the SPA cooperating with President Olson and later Quentin Roosevelt, during post-SACW reconstruction, I can see the SPA pressuring the Federal government towards nationalizing all the companies such as Ford which sided with the AUS, and perhaps advocating on a scheme of land redistribution by seizing farmlands in the South from owners that sided with the AUS, and transferring ownership over to farming cooperatives operated by former sharecroppers (Organized by the SPA, of course. So that they will have a loyal voter base in the South going forward). While in terms of foreign policy, in this scenario, I think that with the SPA working with the Federal government, it should prevent the US from joining WK2 on the side of the Entente, or at least causing massive unrest from nation-wide solidarity strikes organized by a clearly politically bias NLB, while the SPA actively calls for workplace sabotage and draft dodging in order to sabotage the war effort in any scenario in which the US goes to war against a syndicalist country (And yes, that includes even if the US is the one side getting invaded by a syndicalist country).
While for the case of the AFP cooperating with President Garner... I think the consequences would be even more damaging to American democracy in the long-termed compared to even a victorious MacArthur going down the Cincinnatus path after his coup. For this scenario, Garner would have tried to end the Great Depression by introducing austerity and cutting public spending in all sectors, especially towards the social security... In exchange for giving Huey Long's Share Our Wealth Society tax breaks, in addition to putting Long in charge of the 'Un-American Activities Committee'... The plan with the austerity measures becoming totally moot the moment the Second Civil War broke out with war-time military spending.... But Long and his supporters will still in charge of the UAC after the Second Civil War agains the CSA. I just cannot see a positive future for the US with this level of cronyism on the highest level of the Federal government. Not to mention you just know Long would be welding the UAC to an even worst degree compared to what McCarthy did in OTL, with the AFP taking advantage of the post-SCW environment to use the UAC as their personal inquisition, arresting and blacklisting anyone that he does not like by painting them as CSA supporters, especially any journalist that dares to look into the corruption in Southern politics. Far from neutralizing the AFP, in this scenario, Long, unless he is assassinated, would absolutely be in an even better position to run for the White House again in 1940....
Just my thoughts on an area that deserves to be explored in more detail.
Pretty much the whole world except Canada recognises the Commune of France as the legitimate France, so trade relations there would be normalised. Syndie Britain is a little bit more complicated in that a lot of Pro-UK countries still don't recognize them as legitimate. Syndies can still get plenty of luxury and practical resources from abroad though. Both Venezuela and Mexico are oil rich socialist countries. As for luxuries like chocolate and coffee, once again there are sympathetic countries in South America (and the Caribbean) as well as the Bharatiya Commune (and in the rework, Azad Hind)
The Americans were willing to sell the USSR industrial machinery prior to the cold war irl so I don't think that it will be that hard for the syndicalists to find someone willing to sell then chocolate and tea. Practical concerns win out over ideology most of the time after all.
I second this. Trade with the Entente and Pakt can be done through many neutral nations or even nations in the faction who aren't Canada, the French Republic, or Germany.
chankljp
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In fact, if Switzerland reconciled with the CoF by peacefully resolving the Haute-Savoie crisis, despite being market liberals, the Swiss have the option of outright economically cooperate with the Commune by serving as their middleman when it comes to trade with the capitalist world.
Left KMT ROC Leaders in my KR Cold War
KR japan Cold War paths
| Leader | Ideology | Notes |
| Wang Jingwei | Radical socialism:Wang Jingwei Thought | Starting leader |
| Zeng Zhongming | Radical socialism:Wang Jingwei Thought | Post Wang Retirement Wang Successor |
| Peng Qingyuan | Radical socialism:Wang Jingwei Thought | 90s Zeng Successor |
| Liao Chengzhi | Marxism:Marxist Tridemism | If Song Qingling’s Factions win a majority of the Central Committee one of the Early National Congress |
| Li Peiyao | Marxism:Marxist Tridemism | 90s Liao Successor |
| Hua Guofeng | Marxism:Mao Zedong Thought, | If the of the Maoist Faction of the gexin Win enough influence |
| Wang Dongxing | Marxism:Mao Zedong Thought, | 90s Hua’s Successor |
| Deng Xiaoping | Marxism: Deng Xiaoping Theory | It's the Moderate faction of the minben Win enough influence |
| Jiang Zemin | Marxism: Deng Xiaoping Theory | 90s Deng Successor |
| Hu Yaobang | Social democracy:Left-wing Populism | 90s Deng Successor |
| Zhao Ziyang | Social democracy democratic Socialism | Hu’s Successor |
| Chiang Ching-kuo | Social democracy:Left Tridemism | The reformist Faction of Song Qingling’s Group |
| Lien Chan | Social democracy:Left Tridemism | chang 90s Successor |
| Lee Teng-hui | Social Liberalism:Centrist Tridemism | Requires successful integration of Taiwan chang 90s Successor |
| Lin Biao | authoritarian socialism:Social Nationalism | crisis leader : gexin-minben Candidate |
| Nie Rongzhen | Marxism:Technocratic socialism | crisis leader : minben-Minquan-Mínshēng-Mínzú Candidate |
KR japan Cold War paths
| Ruling party | Ideologies | Notes |
| Rikken sei yokusan-kai/Constitutional Rule Assistance Association | Authoritarian Democracy: Dominant-Party Democracy | |
| Shakai-min seitō/Social civilian party | Social Liberalism | |
| Jiyū shakai shugi tō/Liberal Socialist Party | Social democracy | |
| Kakushinto leftist | Social democracy:Shōwa socialism | |
| Kakushinto right wing | Social Liberalism:Buddhist Progressivism | |
| Nihon jinmin kyōkai/Japan People's Association | Social Conservatism:Buddhist Democracy | |
| Jinmin minsei kyōkai/Minsei-kai/ Peoples government Association | Authoritarian Democracy | |
| Zenkoku tōitsu iinkai/National unity committee | Authoritarian Democracy:Interim Government | |
| National Unity Government/Kyokoku Itchi Naikaku | Paternal Autocracy:Interim Government | |
| Shin taisei yokusan-kai/New Imperial Rule Assistance Association | National Populism:Shōwa Statism | |
| Kinkyuu Seimu Iinkai/Emergency Political Council | National Populism:Revolutionary Nationalism | |
| Kakumei-teki fukkō hyōgi-kai/Revolutionary Reconstruction Council | authoritarian socialism:Left wing military government | |
| Imperial Socialist Party/Teikoku Shakaitō | authoritarian socialism:Shōwa socialism | |
| Nihon Shakai shugi kakumei tō/Japanese Socialist Revolutionary Party | authoritarian socialism:Maximism | Will Abolish the monarchy and will declare the Union of Japan |
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Something I think it could be done in KR is to change Vargas from Pataut to autdem. Otl Vargas ended democracy in Brazil from 37 to 45, he would fit as Pataut, but in KR he instead makes a banana republic and all parties are there. The autdem path now (that is the only one you cannot get) is under Marshall Dutra as a military dictator and he rules for one day before being counter couped.
Dutra is a typical dictator for that single day, while Vargas rules his own controlled democracy, so the ideology sloths should be reversed. It would also be interesting if Dutra got expanded and you could make a military dictatorship with him.
Dutra is a typical dictator for that single day, while Vargas rules his own controlled democracy, so the ideology sloths should be reversed. It would also be interesting if Dutra got expanded and you could make a military dictatorship with him.
The worst tragedy is that Monsieur Z would be a longist in this timeline
Does something has changed in Brazil ? I played it last time months ago.
Check my post earlier in this thread, here on the spoiler.
I love the new brazilian rework, I love the events, I love everything
For a start you now can do something apart from your political tree. The trees were so long that I usually would only get to the new tech in the army tree and then do the whole political tree for years and years before taking ages to unify the army and get the resources focuses, that at this point would be in the mid 1940s and the game was over.
Right now you can do the whole political tree in less than two years and then do the army tree, then a bit of the air and the navy one, by 1942 I'm taking the less important focuses since the really needed ones have been done.
Vargas was also improved a lot!
So, something quite frustrating but understandable about playing as Brazil is that the country is at the beginning of it's development, it has just transitioned from a serfdom based oligarchic republic in 1927 (it was in 1930 in real life) so it cannot compete with countries like France, unified italy, china, etc... Unless you are playing as Vargas.
You get so many economic bonuses, including a astonishing -10 consumer good factories and +20% factory sloths for province that I reached 126 factories and by the time that Argentina declared war on me it turned into a curbstomp battle.
The mestizo front absolutely, massively, unrestrictably defeated the nordic-white-blue eyed offensive launched by Das GrosseArgentinisches Reich!
I am not too well versed in SA country, but did Kaiserreich TL changed so much that Vargas did not take power ?
Now I remember...didn't it take so long that most people went the other options ?
That is by far the most absurd stupid BS since KR had a German megaacorp directly controlling large amounts of China EIC style.