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Are the Eskimoes in Edmonton or in some other small city?

Also, Presuming Edmonton, what other countries besides the US and Canada are represented in the Rugby Relegation Structure?

And still waiting to see *ANY* Washington DC based sports teams. Don't suppose we could get the Washington Zombies is one of the lower Rugby Leagues. (Death does not release you from your contract!)
 
Are the Eskimoes in Edmonton or in some other small city?

Also, Presuming Edmonton, what other countries besides the US and Canada are represented in the Rugby Relegation Structure?

And still waiting to see *ANY* Washington DC based sports teams. Don't suppose we could get the Washington Zombies is one of the lower Rugby Leagues. (Death does not release you from your contract!)
I think the Eskimos are Minny/St Paul?
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2023 Northern Territory statehood referendum
The 2023 Northern Territory statehood referendum was a public poll held in Northern Territory, Australia, regarding whether or not the territory should become the 8th state of the Commonwealth of Australia. It was the second such referendum to be held, after a narrowly failed vote in October 1996. "Yes" won by nearly a hundred thousand votes and over a twenty point margin over "No;" as a result, the Northern Territory will join Australia as a full state, to be named "Northern Australia," on January 1, 2024.

Statehood had long been thought of as being favorable to Northern Territory, which has both Australia's largest Aboriginal population, is home to its vast uranium reserves which form an increasingly important component of Australia's export-driven economy and mining sector, and has as its capital the city of Darwin, which is the fastest-growing city in Australia and an increasingly critical gateway to the East Indies and Asia. However, its sparse population - only 478,145 at the 2021 Australian census - meant that full statehood would yield a situation where Northern Australia having 12 Senators would mean it would have as much voting influence as populous states such as New South Wales and Victoria with only a fraction of the total population. The 1996 referendum, approved by a Country Liberal government in Northern Territory and by the right-wing National Party government of Prime Minister Paul Hogan in St. George, would have granted the proposed new state three Senators and five Members of Parliament, and was thus opposed by all three major opposition parties - Australian Labor (ALP), Liberal, and Greens. This opposition campaign, in traditionally swingy Northern Territory, helped narrowly defeat the statehood proposal, in part by making it a proxy for public dissatisfaction with the Hogan government's intervention in the Bornean Conflict earlier in the year and the refugee crisis in the Timor Sea that fell disproportionately on the Northern Territory.

However, subsequent efforts to hold further referenda were stymied by a lack of interest in immediately revisiting the issue during the federal Labor government of 2001-08, and territorial Labor governments did not press the issue either, often unable to muster a full majority of the party to support statehood. The return of the Nationals to power in both St. George and Darwin in 2012 brought a new tension, however, as despite Chief Minister Terry Mills' support of statehood and holding a referendum as early as 2014 for "full and proper statehood," he was blocked by the federal government of Prime Minister Bob Katter, who opposed Northern Australian statehood unless Northern Queensland was also granted statehood simultaneously, a positioned vehemently opposed by the opposition. The election of Labor governments both federally and territorially in 2020, and statehood for Northern Territory being a manifesto position for the government of Jim Chalmers, set up a vote, promised by Chalmers to be held no later than September 1, 2023. The referendum was, eventually, set for 28 August 2023, as a constitutional revision in which Northern Australia would join the Commonwealth as a full state with full political rights, including the customary 12 Senators and 5 MPs to which it is entitled as a state.

In a reversal from 1996, Labor strongly supported statehood in the referendum while National opposed; the Liberals and Greens in early August decided, after a vote by members, to support "Yes." Arguments on the "Yes" side revolved largely around fairness, principles of self-governance and ending the "second-class" status of Northern Territorials; "No" argued that it was a ploy by Labor to expand their representation in both Houses of Parliament via Labor-supporting (at the federal level, at least) Northern Territory, and some arguments also leaned on the Territory's heavily Aboriginal and immigrant populations as a reason to vote against. The decisive victory was largely viewed as a major victory for the Chalmers government in its fourth year ahead of elections due in spring of 2024 and raised questions within National about the wisdom of opposing statehood for a region that up to the early 2000s had generally supported the party, particularly in the Darwin/Palmerston area.

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1999 Blayais nuclear plant flood
The 1999 Blayais nuclear power plant flood was a severe nuclear power plant accident that occurred on December 27, 1999 in Gironde, France. Due to an extratropical storm, seawater levels overwhelmed insufficiently-constructed walls at the Blayais Nuclear Power Plant and flooded two of its three then-active reactors (one reactor was closed for repairs), causing a meltdown when the diesel backup generators were also flooded that forced the evacuation of nearly 50,000 people in the immediate vicinity and threatened the evacuation of the nearby city of Bordeaux, a mere 55 kilometers away (and for which the power plant provided electricity, thus plunging the city into a blackout). Radioactive material was released into the air, and it was regarded as a Level 4 incident on the nuclear accident scale developed after the 1984 Clanton, Alabama reactor fire (out of 7 potential levels). The French government was roundly criticized for its handling of the crisis, especially leaving evacuees stranded on buses on the shores of the Garonne for three days without food so that local officials and gendarmes could participate in celebrations for the New Millennium.

While the Blayais flood was not attributed to any deaths and the power plant was operational again by 2003, the incident nonetheless led to a major evaluation of the flood and earthquake risks of nuclear power plants throughout the world and led to new safety precautions being instituted; it would also be cited in pushes to cancel the construction of or close existing plants throughout Europe in the 2000s and 2010s, especially as the Electric Revolution took hold. It also had a negative impact on Bordeaux, which saw a further decrease in its industrial and agricultural output over fears of the nearby plant, compounded by the lengthy French economic crisis of the mid-2000s.
 
The 1999 Blayais nuclear power plant flood was a severe nuclear power plant accident that occurred on December 27, 1999 in Gironde, France. Due to an extratropical storm, seawater levels overwhelmed insufficiently-constructed walls at the Blayais Nuclear Power Plant and flooded two of its three then-active reactors (one reactor was closed for repairs), causing a meltdown when the diesel backup generators were also flooded that forced the evacuation of nearly 50,000 people in the immediate vicinity and threatened the evacuation of the nearby city of Bordeaux, a mere 55 kilometers away (and for which the power plant provided electricity, thus plunging the city into a blackout). Radioactive material was released into the air, and it was regarded as a Level 4 incident on the nuclear accident scale developed after the 1984 Clanton, Alabama reactor fire (out of 7 potential levels). The French government was roundly criticized for its handling of the crisis, especially leaving evacuees stranded on buses on the shores of the Garonne for three days without food so that local officials and gendarmes could participate in celebrations for the New Millennium.

While the Blayais flood was not attributed to any deaths and the power plant was operational again by 2003, the incident nonetheless led to a major evaluation of the flood and earthquake risks of nuclear power plants throughout the world and led to new safety precautions being instituted; it would also be cited in pushes to cancel the construction of or close existing plants throughout Europe in the 2000s and 2010s, especially as the Electric Revolution took hold. It also had a negative impact on Bordeaux, which saw a further decrease in its industrial and agricultural output over fears of the nearby plant, compounded by the lengthy French economic crisis of the mid-2000s.
Fukushima without an earthquake and with corruption. :)
 
Fukushima without an earthquake and with corruption. :)
More or less!
Ah, the right proper type of blursedness I've come to love from the Cincoverse!

EDIT: oh shit, I hadn't even noticed Bob Katter in there. Oh wow.
Interesting times Down Under, in the Chinese sense of the word lol

Went back and forth for months on Clive Palmer v. Bob Katter but the latter is just the right kind of insane for my oeuvre, and so...
You have brought it upon yourself to make an article about the 1984 Clanton Alabama reactor fire. Hop to it ;)
Can probably whip that together at some point!
 
Radioactive material was released into the air, and it was regarded as a Level 4 incident on the nuclear accident scale developed after the 1984 Clanton, Alabama reactor fire (out of 7 potential levels).
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The confederacy already having nuclear power plants in the mid 80s implies that TTL has some kind of Atoms for Peace analogue, no? Because I'd doubt they'd have the resources to develop a fully domestic nuclear sector that quickly otherwise
 
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The confederacy already having nuclear power plants in the mid 80s implies that TTL has some kind Atoms for Peace analogue, no? Because I'd doubt they'd have the resources to develop a fully domestic nuclear sector that quickly otherwise
Depends entirely on how and when the nuclear sciences are developed into an industry (either for energy or bombs, alas) and by whom.
 
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The confederacy already having nuclear power plants in the mid 80s implies that TTL has some kind of Atoms for Peace analogue, no? Because I'd doubt they'd have the resources to develop a fully domestic nuclear sector that quickly otherwise
Depends entirely on how and when the nuclear sciences are developed into an industry (either for energy or bombs, alas) and by whom.
Yeah, definitely no domestic CS nuclear industry, but there’s plenty of countries that will have an export nuke industry
What has me thinking is whether or not this is TTL's Chernobyl equivalent
Not nearly that bad. Probably more of a Level 5 than 7
 
Depends entirely on how and when the nuclear sciences are developed into an industry (either for energy or bombs, alas) and by whom.
This got me to thinking - what was the impetus for development of nuclear power on Earth-Cinco? While an existential WWII-level war hasn't been conclusively ruled out, there have been enough hints to suggest that the GAW and CEW are as bad as it gets, so it doesn't feel like there's a geopolitical crisis bad enough to prompt the development of nuclear weapons (and by extension nuclear energy). Are there even nuclear weapons in the Cincoverse?

(And now I'm thinking about just how blursed a nuclear-armed irredentist Confederacy would be...)
 
The first thought that I had on what city was destroyed by Nuclear Weapons is "There has to be a reason that the Brazilian Capital got moved to Brasilia iTTL". (yikes)

Also in terms of Rio de Janerio, given what Brazil is going to go through in the 1920s *and* the fact that at least two Frenchmen were *heavily* involved in the construction, it is entirely possible this TTL may not see the Christ the Redeemer statue on Corcovado mountain, we'll have to see how Brazil goes.

I'm trying to remember do we have the Eiffel Tower?
 
This got me to thinking - what was the impetus for development of nuclear power on Earth-Cinco? While an existential WWII-level war hasn't been conclusively ruled out, there have been enough hints to suggest that the GAW and CEW are as bad as it gets, so it doesn't feel like there's a geopolitical crisis bad enough to prompt the development of nuclear weapons (and by extension nuclear energy). Are there even nuclear weapons in the Cincoverse?

(And now I'm thinking about just how blursed a nuclear-armed irredentist Confederacy would be...)
You don't necessarily need to be in a crisis position to get the political capital required to make atomic weapons, though it certainly does help. I think once we get to the point where science is capable of doing it that someone somewhere inevitably is going to have the epiphany of using fission for war.
 
You don't necessarily need to be in a crisis position to get the political capital required to make atomic weapons, though it certainly does help. I think once we get to the point where science is capable of doing it that someone somewhere inevitably is going to have the epiphany of using fission for war.
Good point, but given the number of batshit insane state actors in the Cincoverse I'd expect a whole bunch to be used in anger, which the hints given to date don't seem to bear out.

We'll just have to wait to find out ;)
 
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