Interesting Magazine at Strange Maps

That looked pretty interesting. I just ordered it for pickup at the university library (Indiana University) so I can get back to you when I have it. It should be later today.

I'm not sure if it's in CD or book-binded form or what, because I'm surprised I was able to order it for lending. It said October-December 1951.
 
Ok, so I got the magazine (collected in book form) from the library yesterday. Please tell me if you want me to post more on this; I will be happy to talk more about it. Otherwise, if people aren’t interested, I guess I don’t need to spend the time.

It's very interesting. Not just from an alternate history perspective, but from a historical perspective. The articles were written almost sixty years ago (1951), and are very much indicative of the attitudes, fears, etc. of the time. Remember that this was about two years before Stalin’s death, before any significant changes had been made in the character of the USSR to the outside world.

I'll try posting some of what was in the magazine. The issue is interesting because through the stories, one can see an almost propaganda-like character—is this character a result of the attitude of the time, or did the writers slyly put this into the news stories that were “written” in 1960??
I will post the whole introduction. The bolding is mine. It’s interesting to see how the introduction betrays an interesting mix of optimism and pessimism.

Note: aside from the introduction, the whole thing was written "in context" as if written in the year 1960, describing the war that occurred 1952-1955. So I guess that makes it a future-blind what if.

The Introduction

For the last five years the world has been living in the shadow of another global war. The shadow is cast by the ominous substance of Soviet aggression. And so long as the aggression persists, the threat of a needless, unwanted, suicidal war will remain.

We do not think that war is inevitable. We are emphatically opposed to any suggestion of a "preventive" war. We believe that each day of peace and preparation makes the free nations stronger and lessens the chance of world conflict. Yet, such a conflict could start tomorrow, through design or miscalculation or desperation. This issue of Collier's, written as of 1960, shows how that war would be fought and won, and reports on the program o reconstruction that would follow victory.

We have no illusions about the fearful cost of victory. But we are confident that freedom would be saved and Communist imperialism destroyed. For the Soviet dictatorship does not have the physical or moral strength to survive a fight for its existence. Its greatest weakness is the inherent weakness in all tyrannies, which Allan Nevins wrote of in the previous issue of the magazine.

Professor Nevins cited the lesson of history in his article, Tyrannies Must Fall, to show that every tyranny, from the vast empire of Genghis Khan to the world-ambitious Nazidom of Adolf Hitler, has collapsed as much from inner flaws as from outer pressure. Tyranny is built on a foundation of hatred, fear and intimidation, of unrest and potential revolt. The tyrant creates a juggernaut. And when the burden of oppression becomes too great, the juggernaut goes out of control and crushes him.

The destruction of tyranny leaves a vacuum which it is the task of the liberated and their liberators to fill. The task is quite as important as the task of creating the vacuum. Twice in this century victorious powers have reconstructed world affairs in such a way as to make it possible for tyranny to persist. In the pages that follow, those contributing to this issue have suggested a procedure which they and the editors of Collier’s believe would avoid some mistakes of the past, both in the conduct of war and in the difficulties which would follow it.

These writers have consulted eminent authorities on military and economic matters, besides drawing on their own broad knowledge of their particular fields. They have proceeded from the factual basis of the world situation today to a logical analysis of what may come. The war that they describe is a hypothetical war, to be sure. But their description contains no careless fantasy or easy invention. They were not assigned to create a journalistic stunt. The editors of Collier’s did not put in ten months of work on this issue with the intention of creating a sensation. Our intention is to look squarely at a future which may contain the most terrible calamity that has ever befallen the human race.

If war does come, we believe that it must be fought as a war of liberation. The free world has no quarrel with the oppressed Russian people, but only with their Soviet masters. Those masters would probably attack the civilians of this and other free countries in a campaign of atomic extermination. But we hope and trust that the atomic bombs of those free, humane countries would be used not for retaliation, but for the destruction of strategic targets, and only after advance warnings to civilians to evacuate the areas.

If the unwanted war does come, we feel that the peace which follows should not repeat the pattern of unconditional surrender, reparations and trials of war criminals. The Russian people should be permitted to deal with their surviving oppressors as they see fit.

We should not expect from Russia a carbon copy of American democracy or American economy. We should not force either upon her. Self-rule and private enterprise would probably evolve in a form that would be modified by background, environment, and the character of the people themselves. The victors, through help and guidance, should first make sure that a dictatorship would not rise from the ruins of the war. Leo’s note: the rebuilding of the USSR would be very interesting in “real life”.


With that precaution taken, they should simply provide the opportunity for freedom to emerge. The liberated people could be left to choose the political forms of freedom which would flourish best in Russian soil .

Implicit in all that you will read in the pages that follow is the means by which the catastrophe of another war can be avoided. That means rests with the Soviet government. The men in the Kremlin must make that choice.

They can roll up the Iron Curtain. Or they can start a war and have it shot down.

They can believe the truth—that the West has no aggressive intentions and is willing to live at peace with Russia. Or they can continue to delude their people and themselves with their own propaganda, start a war, and see enlightenment brought to their people by armed might. Leo’s note: USA! USA! USA!

They can cease to subjugate their captive neighbors and still maintain close economic and cultural relations with them. Or they can start a war and see those countries’ independence restored by force.

They can rejoin the family of nations, open their doors to the outside world, free the channels of trade, turn their vast country’s resources to constructive use, and thus improve the lot of all the world’s peoples. Or they can continue their present course of suspicious, intransigent belligerence, and risk their own destruction.

The Soviet government must change its outlook and its policies. If it does not, the day will surely come when that government will disappear from the face of the earth. The Kremlin must decide. And if the Soviet rulers refuse to change, then they must realize that the free world will fight if necessary. It will fight and win. For the course of history cannot be diverted; tyranny is still doomed by its very nature to destruction.

An appeal to the reason of Joseph Stalin and the men around him is the ultimate purpose of this issue of Collier’s. We believe that it is the most important single issue that any magazine has ever published. Robert E. Sherwood has told us that “it is quite conceivable to me that (it) may have an effect on the course of history.” We sincerely hope that he is correct. And we earnestly pray that its effect will be to help establish and maintain an enduring peace.
 
My home Internet has been cut off because of some stupid mistake by my provider, so my responses may not be very timely...also, I'll be out of town later this week. But I will keep posting stuff as long as people want it.

Here is a timeline of WWIII, verbatim from the magazine:

Principal Events of World War III

1952

Assassination attempt on Marshal Tito's life, May 10th, precipitates Cominform-planned uprising in Yugoslavia. Troops from satellite nations of Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary, backed by Red Army, cross borders. Truman terms aggression "Kremlin inspired"; Reds call it "an internal matter."

Third World War begins when Moscow, still insisting that uprising is "the will of the Yugoslav people," refuses to withdraw Red Army units. Stalin miscalculates risk: had believed U.S. would neither back Tito nor fight alone. U.S. is joined by principal UN nations in declaration of war.

Neutrals include Sweden, Ireland, Switzerland, Egypt, India and Pakistan.

Saturation A-bombing of U.S.S.R. begins. Avoiding completely population centers, West concentrates on legitimate military targets only. Principal objectives: industrial installations; oil, steel and A-bomb plants.

Communists throughout West begin sabotage campaign. Trained saboteurs open attacks in U.S.

General Vassily Stalin, aviator son of Red dictator, becomes a UN prisoner of war.

Red Army, under vast air umbrella which outnumbers UN planes five to three, attacks across north German plain, in Baltic countries and through Middle East.

UN troops, fighting for time, retreat on all fronts, suffering heavy losses.

North American continent invaded when Red Army, in combined air-sea operation, lands in Alaska, occupying Nome and Little Diomede Island.

Reds A-bomb London and UN bases overseas.

Far East "Dunkerque" takes place when, under unremitting air and submarine attacks, U.S. occupation forces evacuate Korea for Japan.

U.S. A-bombed for first time when Red air force hits Detroit, New York and A-bomb plant at Hanford (Washington). Civil defense proves inadequate.

Turning point in war's first phase reached when atomic artillery smashes enemy offensive on Christmas Day in Europe.

1953

U.S. A-bombed for second time. Bombers hit Chicago, New York, Washington and Philadelphia. Red submarines fire atomic-headed missiles into Boston, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Norfolk (Virginia) and Bremerton (Washington). Casualties greatly lessened by improved civil defense procedures.

UN air forces finally achieve air superiority over battle fronts.

Psychological warfare begins to play important role; propaganda emphasizes that UN is fighting war of liberation for Russian people; leaflet raids and broadcasts warn Russian people to evacuate areas scheduled for attack.

Moscow A-bombed midnight, July 22d, by B-36s in retaliation for Red A-bomb terror raid on Washington. Planes flying from U.S. bases destroy center of Moscow. Area of damage: 20 square miles.

Suicide task force lands behind U.S.S.R. borders, destroys Soviets' last remaining A-bomb stockpile in underground chambers of Ural Mountains. Of 10,000 paratroopers and airborne units, 10 per cent survive.

UN General Assembly issues momentous war-aims statement known as "Denver Declaration."

Underground fores in satellite countries receive arms and materials in UN plane-drops; highly trained guerrilla fighters parachute into U.S.S.R. to ait resistance movements and destroy specific targets.

Severest rationing since beginning of war introduced in U.S.

Yugoslav guerrilla fighters begin to tie down large numbers of Red troops.

1954

A captured Soviet general reports disappearance of Stalin, reveals that MVD (secret police) Chief Beria is new Red dictator.

Uprisings take place in U.S.S.R. and satellite nations. UN parachutes Russian emigres into Soviet Union to aid dissident groups.

UN offensive begins on all fronts as West at last gains initiative.

Red Army gradually retreats, then disintegrates under onslaught of UN air and ground forces.

Three Red generals desert to UN forces.

UN armored spearhead captures Warsaw, reaches Pripet Marshes in Poland. Another armored column crosses U.S.S.R. border into Ukraine.

UN forces clear Asiatic Turkey and cross border into Crimea.

Marines, in combined air-sea operation, capture and occupy Vladivostok.

1955

Hostilities cease as U.S.S.R. degenerates into a state of chaos and internal revolt.

UN forces begin occupation duties in satellite nations and Ukraine.

UNITOC-United Nations Temporary Occupation Command-set up in Moscow.
 
Leo thanks so much for posting all this...

This is a really interesting take by the magazine. Granted they were looking at it with their knowledge in 1951. Would the Soviets really have been able to hit all those US cities?
 
For the Soviet dictatorship does not have the physical or moral strength to survive a fight for its existence.

WTF?And I suppose it was the USA that got the biggest land invasion in history thrown at it but still managed to win the war almost single handed.

I suppose the scenario that starts the war isnt completely asb,but theres no way Stalin would A-Bomb the US first,all he has to do is wrap up Europe conventionally while the americans refuse to go down in history as the first nation to use such a horrible weapon.

Implausible anti-commie propaganda.
 
Leo thanks so much for posting all this...

This is a really interesting take by the magazine. Granted they were looking at it with their knowledge in 1951. Would the Soviets really have been able to hit all those US cities?

Most of them were suicide missions.


WTF?And I suppose it was the USA that got the biggest land invasion in history thrown at it but still managed to win the war almost single handed.

I suppose the scenario that starts the war isnt completely asb,but theres no way Stalin would A-Bomb the US first,all he has to do is wrap up Europe conventionally while the americans refuse to go down in history as the first nation to use such a horrible weapon.

Implausible anti-commie propaganda.

The start of the war was kind of a surprise for me. Beginning as a fight over Tito's Yugoslavia was kind of strange. Actually, one of the explanations in the magazine was that people were actually quite moved by Yugoslavia's defense, doing very well against the proxy nations until the USSR came in with its 15 divisions. It was specifically mentioned as similar to their defense against the Nazis, which was very successful.

Interestingly, roughly the same thing happened in OTL in Hungary in 1956, but the international community didn't come to their aid militarily.

We never ended up getting into World War III, so I guess I'm not complaining too much about how OTL turned out.
 
I first heard about this in the early seventies, but didn't actually get to read the thing until I was in Lexington, in 1984, where the University library had Collier's in their collection.

Look at the names on the masthead! Hanson Baldwin (journalist), Lowell Thomas (travel writer), Arthur Koestler (writer), Walter Winchell (broadcast reporter), Edward R. Murrow (another broadcast reporter), Bill Mauldin (cartoonist) . . . and that's just in the first two lines!

The Mauldin contribution is interesting, as it consists of cartoons of Willie and Joe taking part in the war. Thus we have Willie, with his PFC single stripe and all his overseas and in-service hashmarks, informing a young first sergeant with only three or four hashmarks, "Yer topheavy."

The Philip Wylie story concerned the aftermath of the atomic bombing of Philadelphia. There was also an article about the bombings, illustrated with blast radii. (Then Wylie wrote Tomorrow! about a fictional nuclear war, and later Triumph about an even nastier one.)

One story, whose author I cannot remember, was set in the occupied ex-USSR and had to do with free elections in a small town. The political situation was somewhat chaotic; for example, there was a Social Democratic Party and a Democratic Socialist Party, because, you see, there were these two guys and they had had a falling-out . . . And other parties ranging from monarchist to something with the unnerving name of "Avengers of Trotsky".

Then it came time to count the votes. The first ballot was marked, "Da". Just "Da". The second one had votes for all forty-two parties. And so on. And you thought hanging chads were bad.
 
I will be gone for a few days, but will update this Sunday. I won't have the magazine with me (it's collected with other issues in a book binding, and is too heavy to bring on a plane).
 
The Mauldin contribution is interesting, as it consists of cartoons of Willie and Joe taking part in the war. Thus we have Willie, with his PFC single stripe and all his overseas and in-service hashmarks, informing a young first sergeant with only three or four hashmarks, "Yer topheavy."

There were a few of these I got a kick out of.

In one, Willie (or Joe? I'll just call the guy speaking Willie) is escorting a Russian prisoner at gunpoint and saying, "Is that all you got to say for yourself, buddy--'what about th' lynchings in th' South?'" So obviously, that was an issue sixty years ago...

In another, he has a Russian girl with her arms around his waist. He's pointing at an MP (who is probably scolding him about fraternization) and saying, "Guys like you sap my fightin' spirit."

In another, he's talking to a Russian woman in a blizzard next to a house in the middle of nowhere saying, "Lady, you been misinformed. I ain't no imperialist. You kin keep all this."



One story, whose author I cannot remember, was set in the occupied ex-USSR and had to do with free elections in a small town. The political situation was somewhat chaotic; for example, there was a Social Democratic Party and a Democratic Socialist Party, because, you see, there were these two guys and they had had a falling-out . . . And other parties ranging from monarchist to something with the unnerving name of "Avengers of Trotsky".

Then it came time to count the votes. The first ballot was marked, "Da". Just "Da". The second one had votes for all forty-two parties. And so on. And you thought hanging chads were bad.

"Freedom-At Long Last" by Arthur Koestler

Excerpt: a Russian person explains why most people in that election voted "Da" on all the parties: "What do you want?" he said with a shrug. "The elections were the best proof of the truth of Pavlov's theory. You give a dog a series of electric shocks and sound a gong with each shock; after a while the sound of the gong alone will send the dog into convulsions. Similarly, when you say to a Russian the word 'election', he will twitch with fright and yell 'da'."

later: ...But that indoctrination did not teach the people Communism. It taught them one word: "da." To achieve a 99.8 per cent unanimous, roaring "da" for Comrade Ivan's promotion and the same roaring "da" for his execution; "da" for the crusade against the Nazis and for the pact with the Nazis; "da" for everything which the omniscient Stalin decided. This aim was achieved not by propaganda as we understand it, but by mental processing. The tyrant did not want Communism; he wanted robots. It may take at least a generation to change the robots back into humans again.
 
"Freedom-At Long Last" by Arthur Koestler

Excerpt: a Russian person explains why most people in that election voted "Da" on all the parties: "What do you want?" he said with a shrug. "The elections were the best proof of the truth of Pavlov's theory. You give a dog a series of electric shocks and sound a gong with each shock; after a while the sound of the gong alone will send the dog into convulsions. Similarly, when you say to a Russian the word 'election', he will twitch with fright and yell 'da'."

later: ...But that indoctrination did not teach the people Communism. It taught them one word: "da." To achieve a 99.8 per cent unanimous, roaring "da" for Comrade Ivan's promotion and the same roaring "da" for his execution; "da" for the crusade against the Nazis and for the pact with the Nazis; "da" for everything which the omniscient Stalin decided. This aim was achieved not by propaganda as we understand it, but by mental processing. The tyrant did not want Communism; he wanted robots. It may take at least a generation to change the robots back into humans again.

Damn predictive, wasn't he?

But then Koestler had seen it from inside and gotten away . . . somehow.
 
There were a few of these I got a kick out of.

In one, Willie (or Joe? I'll just call the guy speaking Willie) is escorting a Russian prisoner at gunpoint and saying, "Is that all you got to say for yourself, buddy--'what about th' lynchings in th' South?'" So obviously, that was an issue sixty years ago...

In another, he has a Russian girl with her arms around his waist. He's pointing at an MP (who is probably scolding him about fraternization) and saying, "Guys like you sap my fightin' spirit."

In another, he's talking to a Russian woman in a blizzard next to a house in the middle of nowhere saying, "Lady, you been misinformed. I ain't no imperialist. You kin keep all this."

And the one where they are looking at a propaganda poster of an Evil Imperialist and wondering where they got the photo of the first sergeant.

In his introduction to the Anniversary Edition of Up Front, Stephen Ambrose said that Mauldin had never drawn Willie and Joe again after the war except for his cartoons on the deaths of Marshall and Eisenhower.

But Mauldin had drawn a number of cartoons of them, adjusting to civilian life, available in a book called, not surprisingly, Back Home. Then there were these.
 
And the one where they are looking at a propaganda poster of an Evil Imperialist and wondering where they got the photo of the first sergeant.

In his introduction to the Anniversary Edition of Up Front, Stephen Ambrose said that Mauldin had never drawn Willie and Joe again after the war except for his cartoons on the deaths of Marshall and Eisenhower.

But Mauldin had drawn a number of cartoons of them, adjusting to civilian life, available in a book called, not surprisingly, Back Home. Then there were these.

I'm impressed that you know all this stuff that you've been talking about. Well, even if you're just getting the details from the Internet, it seems you're pretty familiar with it.
 
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