How Silent Fall the Cherry Blossoms

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Geon

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Brooklyn

And here is more on Brooklyn.

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Date: November 13, 1944
Place: New York City (Brooklyn)
Time: 1:00 p.m. [EDT]

In Brooklyn the rioters moved to the other two quarantined tenements. The police there seeing the rioters approach had quickly retreated to get reinforcements. In the three tenements the rioters found people in their apartments lying very sick in bed. The phones to each tenement had been cut to keep any news or rumors from filtering out to the outside world. Worse, the windows in each room of the tenement had been taped shut to ensure that no one inside the apartments could communicate in any way with those outside. The idea had apparently been to simply let the victims of the plague die in their homes then quietly remove them.

The former Health Commissioner of New York City would later testify.

The plan was to prevent a full-scale panic by keeping the outbreaks contained. It was hoped that by keeping the sick in their homes and limiting their contact with the outside world we could limit the spread of the disease. We also hoped by cutting off communication to the outside world and by maintaining a news blackout that false rumors that generate panic could be stopped before they started. It was our intention to prevent the very thing that occurred during what became known as the Brooklyn Plague Riots.
(Testimony of the New York Health Commissioner before the Senate Committee, 1947)

The rioters for the most part didn’t know why the people in the three tenements were being quarantined. They simply knew they were being kept virtual prisoners in their homes and apparently left to die. This only increased the anger of the mobs. The sick were quickly taken out of their apartments and loaded into cars and trucks converted into makeshift ambulances to be driven to the closest hospitals.

David Lewis was one of the lucky ones. His uncle was able to get him and his surviving sister to Brooklyn Hospital. The emergency room doctors there quickly admitted David and his sister who was starting to show early stages of the sickness. Both would survive, albeit with scars from their ordeal both mental and physical.

The majority of the mob surged toward the Brooklyn Bridge with the sick to try to take them to hospitals in Manhattan. The reason Manhattan was targeted was because many among the rioters wanted an explanation for what was going on and why, and the city government was going to answer one way or another.

By this time the police had mobilized and a line of police were waiting at the bridge for the protestors. The police yelled for the protestors to disperse. When they did not but continued forward the police began lobbing tear gas into the approaching groups. Within moments the protestors began to retreat from the choking fumes. Some tried to get back to their cars but were unable to in the blinding gas clouds. The police then moved forward. The crowds quickly dispersed to reform elsewhere later. The sick were driven to private homes to be cared for there rather then risk them being put back in the rat holes that they had been taken from.

Throughout the day and well into the night police would clash with rioters on the streets of Brooklyn. At some point a more lawless element joined the original rioters whose original intentions had simply been to rescue families and friends. As happens in many such cases the original intentions of the protestors were being replaced by troublemakers who saw an opportunity to create mischief and line their pockets. By nightfall several stores in Brooklyn had been looted and set ablaze. Police were hard pressed and dozens of arrests had already been made. And the Brooklyn Plague riots, as they would be called were just getting started.

Ironically, by trying to help the victims of the plague the rioters didn’t realize it but they would actually be helping do that the draconian measures of the city government had been instituted to prevent, namely spread the disease.
 

katchen

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Under these conditions, surgical teams will need to pioneer "house call" surgical interventions to remove buboes on kitchen tables in order to stave off panic and let Americans know that they aren't being abandoned to die. Beekeeper clothing is needed for people in the "line of fire". Techniques for establishing field hospital sterile fields on kitchen tables must be instituted. After all, these are battlefield conditions. Good must not only be done. It must be seen to be done--in people's faces.
And to prevent the spread of the plague, progressively, euthanasia will be instituted for end stage cases (which will extend to all terminal illness and become an unintended consequence of the 1940s). First voluntary. Then non-voluntary. Then involuntary where contagion is feared. Then involuntary where contagion may not be feared. Movies will be made about it.
Followed in plague cases by front lawn cremation. Bottled gas and a brazier is safer to transport with less risk of fleas getting loose than the deceased to cemeteries. Such is the logic of the bubonic plague. Ashes can be interred later.
 

Geon

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NATJAB Emergency Meeting

And here is a third update.
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Date: November 13, 1944
Location: Washington, D.C. (OCD Headquarters)
Time: 5:00 p.m.

The members of NATJAB gathered for a special meeting in their headquarters at OCD. One of the members carried a coy of The Washington Post with blaring headlines-PLAGUE AND RIOT IN BROOKLYN.

There were now several new problems to deal with. First, a major riot underway in New York had the potential to damage war manufacturing and delay embarkation of needed troops headed for Europe. Second, the fact that the plague had spread would soon be national news. Unless the government made a clear statement and soon similar outbreaks of violence might be expected in other cities. Third the rioters might be inadvertently spreading the plague and not even know it.

The FBI representative speaking for his boss J. Edgar Hoover expressed concern that this riot might be the result of “subversive elements,” in the population. Everyone in the task force knew what “subversive elements,” meant, namely anyone of German or Italian descent living in the Brooklyn area. Earlier in the war there had been concern that such elements were actively attempting acts of sabotage and espionage on the ships docked in New York harbor. Now the fear was that these same elements were using the plague to their advantage to start unrest.

Representatives from Ft. Detrick and the Surgeon General were concerned that as the rioters circulated among the sick there was every opportunity for the disease to spread, especially if it had developed from bubonic to pneumonic plague.

The representative that had been sent to New York already had phoned a report back to Washington that in his opinion the city health department had badly bungled the whole affair and that the police would only make things worse. Mayor LaGuardia had sent word that he had the situation under control but no one at NATJAB or the White House believed him.

It was decided a federal task force appointed by NATJAB would immediately leave for New York City tonight to evaluate the situation and make a report back to NATJAB as quickly as possible. If necessary, depending on developments, NATJAB would recommend declaring martial law in New York until further notice.

In addition it was agreed that a carefully worded statement on the spread of the disease would be issued to the press to prevent further rumors. It had been shown that openness in Los Angeles had avoided panic there. Perhaps more openness now could prevent such outbreaks all over the country.

Throughout the meeting the members of NATJAB glanced at the “score sheet,” sadly it was getting bigger.

City/ Number of Casualties/ Deaths
Los Angeles/ 1,633/ 151
St. Louis/ 30/ 20
New York/ 20/ 9 (unrest)
Seattle/ 6/ 3
Portland/ 4/ 3
Youngstown/ 4/ 2
Chicago/ 2/ 1
Oakland/ 2/ 1
Atlanta/ 1/ 1
 
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Garrison

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New York seems to be case of an ill-thought out policy being implemented by people without initiative, imagination, or compassion. I fear the outbreak there may turn out to be far worse than that in LA.

As for Germany, with Skorzeny involved I expect something bold, imaginative, and horrifyingly stupid is on the cards.
 
Which situation with the USS William Porter? The 1943 situation with the Torpedo aimed at the Iowa while Roosevelt was on it or the 1945 sinking by kamikaze?

The porter also accidentally shelled the Alaska Fleet's Admirals HOUSE in 1944...while a garden party was underway.

the Kamikaze was also a bit comedy-of-errors, the kamikaze was lready shot down and underwater, and the ship saild over it just as the plane exploded
 

Garrison

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The porter also accidentally shelled the Alaska Fleet's Admirals HOUSE in 1944...while a garden party was underway.

the Kamikaze was also a bit comedy-of-errors, the kamikaze was lready shot down and underwater, and the ship saild over it just as the plane exploded

Why does 'The Eagle Has Landed' now come to mind; but with chemical weapons?

ETA: Skorzeny was behind the plan to use German soldiers in US uniforms to sow confusion during the Battle of the Bulge if I recall correctly...
 
Under these conditions, surgical teams will need to pioneer "house call" surgical interventions to remove buboes on kitchen tables in order to stave off panic and let Americans know that they aren't being abandoned to die. Beekeeper clothing is needed for people in the "line of fire". Techniques for establishing field hospital sterile fields on kitchen tables must be instituted. After all, these are battlefield conditions. Good must not only be done. It must be seen to be done--in people's faces.
And to prevent the spread of the plague, progressively, euthanasia will be instituted for end stage cases (which will extend to all terminal illness and become an unintended consequence of the 1940s). First voluntary. Then non-voluntary. Then involuntary where contagion is feared. Then involuntary where contagion may not be feared. Movies will be made about it.
Followed in plague cases by front lawn cremation. Bottled gas and a brazier is safer to transport with less risk of fleas getting loose than the deceased to cemeteries. Such is the logic of the bubonic plague. Ashes can be interred later.

Hippocrates would like to speak to you.
 

Tyr Anazasi

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Which situation with the USS William Porter? The 1943 situation with the Torpedo aimed at the Iowa while Roosevelt was on it or the 1945 sinking by kamikaze?

The 1943 version. Boy, this ship had really bad luck! Well, it could have been worse: Sinking USS Iowa and killing FDR...

I meant it this way: As it is top secret nobody else know about Skorzeny and his mission. Thus Dönitz could command a destroyer commander he trusts (perhaps a former Uboat ace like Adalbert Schnee) to do submarine hunting in the exit areas. "Oops. We thought it was a Soviet sub, as we were not aware about own submarines operating there." IF a submarine is used as well...
 

katchen

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Hippocrates would like to speak to you.
Geek, we're talking about the age of the Tuskeegee experiments. Most of the casualties are already occurring in the colored and poor communities. Most of the doctors making these decisions are White. We are already starting to see a double standard of care. And the 1940s IS the Age of Eugenics.
Pademics do terrible things to medical ethics. They desensitize people and force them to triage available health care resources. Think about how AIDS changed the debate about euthanasia and physician assisted suicide IOTL
. (And by the way, I am NOT a fan of euthanasia. It can turn effectively mandatory too easily; especially with the privately controlled health care system we have in the US now.)
ITTL, I expect that a lot of the so called euthanasia of terminally ill quarantined at home plague cases to be physician assisted suicide motivated by a fear of infecting family members if the patient remains alive any longer. I do not expect to see much euthanasia or physician assisted suicide amongst hospital cases of bubonic plague which will run their natural course.
I do believe, unfortunately, that this whole affair will either induce a more utilitarian viewe of human life amongst Americans or finally force Americans who do care about human life to go toe to toe with Eugenicists and Scientific racists once the war is over in a way that they did not OTL. The fact of wartime euthanasia justified by public health and by the same people who justify eugenic sterilization (people like Garrett Hardin, for example) will mean that ITTL American eugenicists will not be able to get themselves off the hook by remaking themselves into Malthusian population controllers. Both the Catholic Church and the Jewish Community will find itself making common cause with the African American community a lot earlier, like 1946 instead of 1966 on the issue of anti-eugenics, equality and civil rights. The excesses of Dupleiss in Montreal will come out post-war, as will the Tuskegee Experiments. The CIA will find it impossible to bring some Nazi war criminals like Joseph Mengele into the US and Canada for research projects and have to conduct those projects elsewhere in the world like perhaps South Africa or Rhodesia or even Australia or New Zealand.
 
The porter also accidentally shelled the Alaska Fleet's Admirals HOUSE in 1944...while a garden party was underway.

the Kamikaze was also a bit comedy-of-errors, the kamikaze was lready shot down and underwater, and the ship saild over it just as the plane exploded

That's not mentioned in the Wikipedia entry for the ship...
 
Katchen:
You have a very skewed view of medicine in the 1940s. Let me just say that euthanasia will not be happening, and if properly handled the bodies of the plague victims are not particularly dangerous - cremation is not required. Performing surgery on kitchen tables won't be required either, those cases that might require an OR rather than a procedure room or even bedside in a medical facility (regular hospital or ad hoc facility as per L.A.) can be accomodated. Trust me on this, I am an MD, MANY years military experience and currently getting a Ph.D. in history particularly military medicine....
 
Republicans...

Is Roosevelt keeping the Minority leaders of the House and Senate in the loop? Is there any difference at this point on what the Republicans would do from what the President would do?

Note, only the cases in Youngstown are in a state that voted for Dewey.
 

Geon

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Geon, you had a larger number of plague cases in post 477 than in other posts for the cities.

Could you clarify this?

Good updates so far.

Unknown

Thank you for catching that! I have been trying to keep a running tally in my head and unfortunately I made some simple arithmetic errors. I have corrected the numbers in the last three posts concerning Washington, D.C. Again, thanks for noticing.

Geon

P.S. Arithmetic was never my strong suit!:mad:
 

Geon

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Good concept, but the German bits feel rather out of character.

Admiral Matt

I will fully admit to not being an expert on many of those I am writing about. I do know enough that Hitler wanted conflict between his top officers because that meant if they were sniping at each other they wouldn't be sniping at him. (figuratively or otherwise)

However any suggestions to improve some of the characterizations would be appreciated.

Geon
 

Geon

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Plague Riots

With regard to the St. Louis riots I have endeavored to tread as lightly as possible. I am not one who is into this "politically correct," idea but neither am I someone who wants to deliberately offend.
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Date: November 13-14, 1944
Location: New York
Time: The night hours

The riots in Brooklyn now had a life of their own. The original intent of the protestors had been to simply seek help for those who were sick. But now, many lawless elements had taken over. During the night stores throughout the Brooklyn area would be broken into and looted and many would be burned. The city fire departments would be busy throughout the night extinguishing blaze after blaze and by daylight the property damage would be well into the millions.

Police hunkered down at various strong points; the entrance to the Brooklyn Bridge, police stations, government buildings, and the Navy Yard. A police cordon was formed around Brooklyn hospital to try to protect it as well. Mobs that approached were turned away at first, even those who were injured or sick and needed help. Through the night the tension built as the police told anyone who approached the hospital that did not have valid ID that he was a physician or a nurse to turn around and go home.

Many trying to get into the hospital were people trying to help their sick loved ones get help. This was the reason they had started the protest, none of them had expected the chaos that was now engulfing Brooklyn. But the police would not yield. As far as they were concerned these people were rioters and had to be treated as such. As the crowds grew around the hospital, by 2 a.m. the tired and nervous police officers decided to clear the space by force. Using tear gas and night sticks they waded into the crowd and dispersed it. Many of those who were ill had that illness exasperated by the tear gas and its effects and would later die as their lungs weakened by the tear gas collapsed in pneumonia.

The riots unfortunately had one other effect. Many of the sick had their illnesses blossom into pneumonic plague. A mere cough could send bacilli into the air to infect those nearby. Admiral Jisaboro Ozawa’s plan was bearing fruit beyond his wildest dreams.

Date: November 13, 1944
Location: St. Louis
Time: 10:25 p.m. [CDT]

Fear could be as powerful weapon as the plague. Rumors had been circulating for the last few days that the plague had appeared in the St. Louis area. However, the city government had chosen to institute a news blackout on the whole affair. Nevertheless, some news did filter out about what was happening, and mixed with rumor it became a dangerous thing.

When word spread that African-Americans were sick with the plague and were seeking access to hospitals in “White,” neighborhoods a mob formed outside one of the city’s hospitals to prevent their admittance. No one appeared to cross the mob’s path. But then word came that “black,” plague victims were being treated inside. The mob surged into the hospital looking for anyone with dark skin.

Several doctors and nurses were confronted and “roughed up,” by the mob but then an orderly who was working in the hospital was singled out and dragged out of the building. One of the doctors hurriedly called the police, but by then it was too late. The poor young man would later be found lynched. The mob, not fully satisfied moved toward the black neighborhoods to ensure they stayed in their homes.

Throughout the night racially oriented clashes would clash throughout the city’s black districts. Police did their best to try and diffuse the situation but in many cases they were overwhelmed by the mob on the one hand wanting to prevent spread of the disease and people simply trying to protect their homes and families. Many homes were burned and many would be homeless at the end of that night. The Plague riots had come to St. Louis.
 
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