HIST-310: ROOSEVELT's ACCIDENTAL PRESIDENCIES AND THE GREAT WAR
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Japhy
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Wilson was picked in large part as a compromise canidate. Clark was the initial presumptive canidate for a reason too.
And you've brought this up before and yet again I have to ask for one single non-Socialist attack against TR in 1912 that Brought up torture. As horrible as it is to realize this about our ancestors, in 1912 they didn't care what had been done to Filipinos a decade before hand. It wasn't an issue in the campaign. 1912 was not 2012. The Democrats did not, at all, run against the crimes of the previous three administration's colonial policies. As much as we may wish that they.would have.
So please, again, one source to back up your accusations that torture was an issue pushed by the Democrats.
You keep bringing up the "water cure" controversy like it mattered to the electorate in 1912. Japhy's right: no one cared and everyone high up in the civilian chain of command relating to the deplorable tactics in pacification of the Philippines was re-elected(Roosevelt) or elected on their own outright(Taft).
jkay said:
No one is saying TR is perfect. Where are you getting that idea from? I personally believe him getting a third and fourth term would be a mixed bag, as this story will try to show as it continues to develop. There are already hints of this world being far from a Roosevelt/progressive/utopia-wank littered throughout as possible.
jkay said:
You seem genuinely upset by this. Might I suggest not reading this story if it's agitating you so much? I hate to lose readers but your adversarial tone suggests to me you won't be happy until you get your way, which isn't going to happen here.
The reason was that WJB's intervention had sabotaged Champ Clark, the previous front-runner, and Clark's furious supporters preferred to switch to Wilson rather than allow Bryan to emerge from a deadlocked conventions, and so profit from stabbing their man in the back.
I often wonder if Bryan ever kicked himself over that decision in later years. President Clark's attitude to WW1 would have been quite a bit closer to his own than Wilson's was.
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Japhy
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Its the Roosevelt-Taft fight in miniature. Clark was the populist's Democrat to run, but he and Bryan's personal issues really wrecked things for them both. Much like the IOTL issue of Taft being a more effective Progressive than TR.
But alas, twas an era of maddening egos.
Though there was more of an ideological split on the Republican side, once TR had taken up wild notions like recalling judicial decisions by popular referendum. It was easier for Clark delegates to switch to Wilson (or vice versa) than it could ever have been for Taft and Roosevelt ones.
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Really interesting. So did Kermit die on the Titanic? I'm also curious how Constantinople ended up the capital of the CIS if Russia is still a great power.
Really interesting. So did Kermit die on the Titanic? I'm also curious how Constantinople ended up the capital of the CIS if Russia is still a great power.
I'm more shocked no one's commented on the Wolf of Constantinople lurking 'round the edges.
Interlude, Part 2
After some mild irritation in closing the unwelcome Trump/Confederacy Tourism ad that suddenly appeared on-screen, he took a quick look at the clock in the corner of his screen.
Only 11:30? 11:30?! Oh brother.
Guess old Jack Kennedy wasn't enough to kill some time he thought mournfully.
Nothing on electro-access, the world's greatest time-waster, was helping either. Every single site on every single leaf he opened on OmniBerry was a waste in every regard but wasting time in an entertaining fashion until his next class. What's a man to do when boredom mania runs wild on you?
Aha! There is always TV...let's see how fucked up the world's become since the last time I tuned in. First, though, need to find the remote. This high-end TV was a great use of department funds if I do say so myself...
After fumbling around for the remote in his already overly cluttered upper desk drawerfor a few moments, he finds his prize. Smiling to himself he presses the power button and settles back in his expensive leather office chair, he begins flipping through each channel, finding...
Local news. WKYC! What's happened in Cleveland since last night? Tell me, Tim! Hrm...
...another wife killed by her husband during a heroin fueled rage in Hough. Ho hum.
....Ah ha. They found the wreckage of yet another Belfort World Cruise Liner downed by the ocean around the Sea of Corea. That's going to cause the Wolf's shipping stocks to plummet on Wall Street and Exchange, not to mention the Commonwealth LSE and Nanjing and Swiss markets as well. I'll send a message to Randall later suggesting he remove his remaining stock options out of the transoceanic cruise business, if he hasn't already; lord knows he can't take another hit so hard after Sally's departure...
...oh Jesus. So Mr. James was shot by his own son. Poor kid, too much pressure to live up to his famous dad, Cleveland's home run king.
...wait, what? Mrs. Gilbert used poison in his tea, then kissed him goodbye? That's so perverse, so lurid it could be my kind of story...
...okay - I'm tired of watching people and things die from a distance. What else is on? Sorry, Tim and the rest of the good newscritters of WKYC but I'm changing the channel.
Alright, alright. Good old BBC North America. Worth every department penny on the worldwide package. Let's see...oh yes, election season almost over in foggy old limey land tonight. Will the sagging in the polls Labour win another term with Prime Minister Fawcett or will the resurgent New Democratic Party, that organ of conservatism, under the charismatic Ed Balls be able to win a majority? Despite what you personally believe Ashdown, you snooty, old, lying bastard you, my money's on the Reds eking out a minority government bolstered by the socialist-leaning nationalists in both Wales and Scotland. Can't wait to see you eat yet another hat.
What do I know though? I'm just an ugly American, after all. Oh....I'll ask Chef Miliband his thoughts on his homeland's elections if I go there tonight. Wonder if his show's on tonight; couldn't hurt to check.
Next!
Oh boy...more discussion by MNN's vaunted panel of armchair diplomats and generals going gaga over Roman II sending troops to the "scientific frontier" bolstered by Confederacy "allies" in preparation slug it out with the Chinese over what they call "disputed Khabarovsk". Again. What is this? The second time? Third? Fourth? It feels like each side just wants to reenact the Three Week War across the Ussuri river instead of Honshu. Is the Tsar that stupid? Are the Natcoms? You know what? Both probably are. Fuck....I don't need to be depressed.
Next!
Sports? I'll pass. We all know New York's "Curse of the Gherig" hasn't ended yet. Why keep harping on it? You and I both know, John, that it's going to end in a humiliating manner befitting the country's largest metropolis. Here's a newsflash for you: Cleveland's probably going to win the World Series again. Lord knows Steinbrenner needs something to distract people from James Sr's really horrific death at the hand of his son. If not, he'll probably buy out another large contract. Heard the Braves are looking to unload that slugger? What's his name? Griffey. Yeah, him.
Next!
...cartoons? Really? Really? This "Uchronia Train" is pure garbage. Any historian who allows his or her children to watch it is a disgrace of a parent.
Next!
...think I'm gonna pass on Conspiracy on History with Mike Stone and John Kay. It's nothing short of preposterous to believe Teddy Roosevelt conspired with the Kaiser to sink the Titanic while his son was on board. The Kaiser's policies and the overeager u-boat captain did the damage there. Why is it so damn popular? More to the point: why do my courses on either Roosevelt attract the nutjobs who buy into the garbage they're selling? Classes would be a whole lot more peaceful if I could explain why Teddy and Slim were able to win eight terms without pointless interruptions, sorry, Dean Gene, discussions on why the former didn't orchestrate the watery tomb his son ended up in after the first torpedo barrage and why the latter didn't propel himself to landslide after landslide after taking "sound" advice from aliens....argh.
...calm down, Terry. You're better than simple-minded nabobs taking advantage of cheap tuition.
Keep on watching TV, keep on watching TV...
Next!
....Century News Network! For the eighty million fossilized souls out there who think Constitutionalists are nothing more than pack of modern day Hitlerite criminals out to re-enact the Blue Mass in South Africa in the 21st century....despite all evidence to the contrary since 1996. When they aren't eating babies or taking away Social Security to pay their whores off or plotting the Third Great War to outwardly ruin Progressivism forever in their smoke-filled dens. The amount of hysteria in each of their signature blowhard shows is almost hilarious if it weren't so sad.
You know...I'm gonna pass, especially since I see "The O'Shea Hour" is about to begin and there's no amount of medication I can take to deal with his blathering...er, talking points on about President Trump's "corruption".
Next!
...music TV's crap. Always has been, always will be.
Next!
All I need to do is kill another hour before class...what is on?!
Okay, another Roosevelt documentary. Fine - I'll watch it. Sure I spend significant portions of my week teaching about each aspect of life around the world the two Roosevelt's in their insanely long administrations touched and I could do a better job than any old Kayla Smith documentary but maybe I can't escape it.
Ah well, there are worse things to waste time on...and I should know, given I did them all...
After some mild irritation in closing the unwelcome Trump/Confederacy Tourism ad that suddenly appeared on-screen, he took a quick look at the clock in the corner of his screen.
Only 11:30? 11:30?! Oh brother.
Guess old Jack Kennedy wasn't enough to kill some time he thought mournfully.
Nothing on electro-access, the world's greatest time-waster, was helping either. Every single site on every single leaf he opened on OmniBerry was a waste in every regard but wasting time in an entertaining fashion until his next class. What's a man to do when boredom mania runs wild on you?
Aha! There is always TV...let's see how fucked up the world's become since the last time I tuned in. First, though, need to find the remote. This high-end TV was a great use of department funds if I do say so myself...
After fumbling around for the remote in his already overly cluttered upper desk drawerfor a few moments, he finds his prize. Smiling to himself he presses the power button and settles back in his expensive leather office chair, he begins flipping through each channel, finding...
Local news. WKYC! What's happened in Cleveland since last night? Tell me, Tim! Hrm...
...another wife killed by her husband during a heroin fueled rage in Hough. Ho hum.
....Ah ha. They found the wreckage of yet another Belfort World Cruise Liner downed by the ocean around the Sea of Corea. That's going to cause the Wolf's shipping stocks to plummet on Wall Street and Exchange, not to mention the Commonwealth LSE and Nanjing and Swiss markets as well. I'll send a message to Randall later suggesting he remove his remaining stock options out of the transoceanic cruise business, if he hasn't already; lord knows he can't take another hit so hard after Sally's departure...
...oh Jesus. So Mr. James was shot by his own son. Poor kid, too much pressure to live up to his famous dad, Cleveland's home run king.
...wait, what? Mrs. Gilbert used poison in his tea, then kissed him goodbye? That's so perverse, so lurid it could be my kind of story...
...okay - I'm tired of watching people and things die from a distance. What else is on? Sorry, Tim and the rest of the good newscritters of WKYC but I'm changing the channel.
Alright, alright. Good old BBC North America. Worth every department penny on the worldwide package. Let's see...oh yes, election season almost over in foggy old limey land tonight. Will the sagging in the polls Labour win another term with Prime Minister Fawcett or will the resurgent New Democratic Party, that organ of conservatism, under the charismatic Ed Balls be able to win a majority? Despite what you personally believe Ashdown, you snooty, old, lying bastard you, my money's on the Reds eking out a minority government bolstered by the socialist-leaning nationalists in both Wales and Scotland. Can't wait to see you eat yet another hat.
What do I know though? I'm just an ugly American, after all. Oh....I'll ask Chef Miliband his thoughts on his homeland's elections if I go there tonight. Wonder if his show's on tonight; couldn't hurt to check.
Next!
Oh boy...more discussion by MNN's vaunted panel of armchair diplomats and generals going gaga over Roman II sending troops to the "scientific frontier" bolstered by Confederacy "allies" in preparation slug it out with the Chinese over what they call "disputed Khabarovsk". Again. What is this? The second time? Third? Fourth? It feels like each side just wants to reenact the Three Week War across the Ussuri river instead of Honshu. Is the Tsar that stupid? Are the Natcoms? You know what? Both probably are. Fuck....I don't need to be depressed.
Next!
Sports? I'll pass. We all know New York's "Curse of the Gherig" hasn't ended yet. Why keep harping on it? You and I both know, John, that it's going to end in a humiliating manner befitting the country's largest metropolis. Here's a newsflash for you: Cleveland's probably going to win the World Series again. Lord knows Steinbrenner needs something to distract people from James Sr's really horrific death at the hand of his son. If not, he'll probably buy out another large contract. Heard the Braves are looking to unload that slugger? What's his name? Griffey. Yeah, him.
Next!
...cartoons? Really? Really? This "Uchronia Train" is pure garbage. Any historian who allows his or her children to watch it is a disgrace of a parent.
Next!
...think I'm gonna pass on Conspiracy on History with Mike Stone and John Kay. It's nothing short of preposterous to believe Teddy Roosevelt conspired with the Kaiser to sink the Titanic while his son was on board. The Kaiser's policies and the overeager u-boat captain did the damage there. Why is it so damn popular? More to the point: why do my courses on either Roosevelt attract the nutjobs who buy into the garbage they're selling? Classes would be a whole lot more peaceful if I could explain why Teddy and Slim were able to win eight terms without pointless interruptions, sorry, Dean Gene, discussions on why the former didn't orchestrate the watery tomb his son ended up in after the first torpedo barrage and why the latter didn't propel himself to landslide after landslide after taking "sound" advice from aliens....argh.
...calm down, Terry. You're better than simple-minded nabobs taking advantage of cheap tuition.
Keep on watching TV, keep on watching TV...
Next!
....Century News Network! For the eighty million fossilized souls out there who think Constitutionalists are nothing more than pack of modern day Hitlerite criminals out to re-enact the Blue Mass in South Africa in the 21st century....despite all evidence to the contrary since 1996. When they aren't eating babies or taking away Social Security to pay their whores off or plotting the Third Great War to outwardly ruin Progressivism forever in their smoke-filled dens. The amount of hysteria in each of their signature blowhard shows is almost hilarious if it weren't so sad.
You know...I'm gonna pass, especially since I see "The O'Shea Hour" is about to begin and there's no amount of medication I can take to deal with his blathering...er, talking points on about President Trump's "corruption".
Next!
...music TV's crap. Always has been, always will be.
Next!
All I need to do is kill another hour before class...what is on?!
Okay, another Roosevelt documentary. Fine - I'll watch it. Sure I spend significant portions of my week teaching about each aspect of life around the world the two Roosevelt's in their insanely long administrations touched and I could do a better job than any old Kayla Smith documentary but maybe I can't escape it.
Ah well, there are worse things to waste time on...and I should know, given I did them all...
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Admiral Halsey
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Wait Trump is president!? Please tell me Butterflies kept him from being anything close to OTL with the obvious exception of being a wealthy businessman. Also I need to know more about them finding another ocean liner wreck. Is the world having and epidemic of sinking for some reason or is it just native to the company?
Roosevelt having 8 terms?!!!!!!How the hell did this happen?!
Roosevelts had eight terms. Teddy combined with another Roosevelt (hopefully the one we all love) had a total of eight terms.
Man, this world's horrifying. Except for the bit about Official Opposition leader Ed Balls.
Ok, I have to know more of this conspiracy theory.
It spoecifically states "How Teddy and Slim were able to get eight terms without constant interruptions."
Unless Slim is another Roosevelt. Then who the hell is Slim.