Fictional inventory of modern airforces

Why would it not feature BVR capability? Engine is at the back, radar in front.
It's not big enough for the radar you need.
Historical MiG-29 needed big wing to carry two engines, among other stuff, and it certainly was not too small.
It had less than an hour of loiter time and very short strike range, like the F-16, which carried a similarly minuscule amount of internal fuel. The F-15 carried twice as much internal fuel and the F-35 is replacing the F-16 with almost three times the amount of internal fuel. The F-16 is the product of an air force with 800 tankers.
Europeans have a supersonic airliner with huge turbofan in use from 1970.
The RR Olympus had turbojets, not turbofans, and those engines are twice the size of what you would want in a single-engine fighter.
Nope, I'll start development in mid-1970s.
What are you planning on trying to power in the mid-1970s?
Says who?
Says the French who wanted it replaced with twin-engine Rafales by 1995. The only reason it's still floating around is because of the post Cold War budget cuts.
El cheapo LWFs (Sabre, Hunter, MiG-15, MiG-21, F-104, F-16, Mirage III, Grippen) was what most of the nations could afford, export figures going in hundreds and thousands.
The French and the Eurofighter consortium already had access to single-engine light fighters. Why did they want bigger planes?
I've googled a bit, seems like accidents were not because it got just one engine, but were related to the high wing loading.
Two engines gives you not only the internal reliability benefits of not having a single point of failure but also increases your weight margins so you can afford to add bigger wings that will consequently give you better low-speed handling.
 

marathag

Banned
2nd The Luftwaffe choose the Lockheed 104 due to bribery, otherwise it would have been the SR177 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saunders-Roe_SR.177
- such was the requirement for a high rate of climb (provided by the rocket/jet SR 177) that the 104 was equipped with RATO boosters!

Even without the bribe, the F-104 had at least been flying since February 1956. SR177 was still paper. The two SR53 prototypes had just two missiles, and 7 minutes of fuel for the Rocket motor
It would of been of zero use for anything but point defense, the SR177 only slightly better. Luftwaffe wanted multi-role, and the SR177 was not that, even without the Lockheed under the table payments
 
The early F8 series certainly had its problems with low speed yaw stability. Its otherwise excellent handling characteristics at low speed bred a false sense of security, particularly on approach. I believe that many of the early losses took place on slower (airspeed) launches, but were largely eliminated with the installation of ventral strakes, which kept the Crusaders pointed straight.

Very sorry to see the Luftwaffe opt for F-104s in place of the much better handling J79 powered Grumman F11 Tiger. Wonder if there was any under-the-table activity?

One of the finest designs of the period (with the exception of the "Rube Goldberg" means of roll control, which still amazes me) was the North American Vigilante, which could have been a superb long range interceptor. Zoom climb altitude potential better than the NF-104, with Rocketdyne booster between the engines.

Dynasoar
 
One of the finest designs of the period (with the exception of the "Rube Goldberg" means of roll control, which still amazes me) was the North American Vigilante, which could have been a superb long range interceptor. Zoom climb altitude potential better than the NF-104, with Rocketdyne booster between the engines.

And definitely one of the best looking planes every built...
 
It's not big enough for the radar you need.

It is.

It had less than an hour of loiter time and very short strike range, like the F-16, which carried a similarly minuscule amount of internal fuel. The F-15 carried twice as much internal fuel and the F-35 is replacing the F-16 with almost three times the amount of internal fuel. The F-16 is the product of an air force with 800 tankers.

MiG-29A have had short endurance because it have had two engines for ~160 kN (max) and small fuel tanks. The later versions have bigger fuel tanks in the 'spine'.
F-16A have had max thrust of 106 kN, less frontal area, less weight = it will get better mileage.

The RR Olympus had turbojets, not turbofans, and those engines are twice the size of what you would want in a single-engine fighter.

Indeed, turbojets, my mistake.

What are you planning on trying to power in the mid-1970s?

In mid-1970s - nothing, the engine just begun it's development phase.

Says the French who wanted it replaced with twin-engine Rafales by 1995. The only reason it's still floating around is because of the post Cold War budget cuts.

Yes, F-8 was a tricky bird, but not due to the number of engines.

The French and the Eurofighter consortium already had access to single-engine light fighters. Why did they want bigger planes?

Because Americans and Soviets are making them, so 2-engined big fighters must be the best, right?
F-104 was not that a good fighter, most anything that replaces it will be better, be it on 1 engine or 2.

Two engines gives you not only the internal reliability benefits of not having a single point of failure but also increases your weight margins so you can afford to add bigger wings that will consequently give you better low-speed handling.

Wing loading (weight/wing_area) gives you better low-speed handling. Once can opt to go for bigger wing, or to shave weight - I opt for second option. Two engines, big wing, big fuselage etc. is opposite of affording for many air forces.
Looking at list of accidents that MiG-29 racked does not instill the confidence that 2 engines are a saving grace: link.
 

Riain

Banned
One of the finest designs of the period (with the exception of the "Rube Goldberg" means of roll control, which still amazes me) was the North American Vigilante, which could have been a superb long range interceptor. Zoom climb altitude potential better than the NF-104, with Rocketdyne booster between the engines.

And definitely one of the best looking planes every built...

The RA5C was recommended by the RAAF to replace the Canberra by 1966, beating the F4C and Mirage IV. The Government then decided to replace the Canberra by 1969, so rejected the RA5C recommendation in favour of the TSR2 and TFX (F111).
 

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No Suez and a unified Commonwealth foreign policy sees the UK a more major power with a FAA to go with it -

1970
2 CVA-01 esque Fleet Carriers
2 Audacious-class Fleet Carriers
3 Centaur-class Light Carriers
1 Illustrious-class Training Carrier

190 Blackburn Buccaneers
107 Hawker Siddeley Eagles (basically an F-4)
51 De Havilland Sea Vixens
12 Hawker Siddeley Searchers (P.139B)
30 Fairey Gannet AEW

1980
3 CVA-01 esque Fleet Carriers
1 Audacious-class Fleet Carrier
1 Centaur-class Light Carrier
2 Invincible-class Light Carriers

110 Blackburn Buccaneers S.2
80 Blackburn Buccaneers S.3
160 Hawker Siddeley Eagles
32 Hawker Siddeley Harriers
37 Hawker Siddeley Searchers

1990
3 CVA-01 esque Fleet Carriers
4 Invincible-class Light Carriers

125 Blackburn Buccaneers S.3
120 Hawker Siddeley Kestrels (similar to the Eagle but with updated radar and weapons systems as well as more powerful engines)
24 Hawker Siddeley Eagles
64 Hawker Siddeley Sea Harriers
37 Hawker Siddeley Searchers

2000
2 CVA-01 esque Fleet Carriers
1 Colossus-class Fleet Carrier
4 Invincible-class Light Carriers

32 Blackburn Buccaneers S.3
97 Hawker Siddeley Strike Kestrels
120 Hawker Siddeley Kestrels
64 Hawker Siddeley Sea Harriers FA.2
37 Hawker Siddeley Searchers

2010
3 Colossus-class Fleet Carriers
3 Invincible-class Light Carriers
1 Ocean-class Light Carrier

115 Hawker Siddeley Strike Kestrels
120 Hawker Siddeley Kestrels
64 Hawker Siddeley Sea Harriers FA.2
32 Hawker Siddeley Super Searcher

2020
3 Colossus-class Fleet Carriers
4 Ocean-class Light Carriers

115 Hawker Siddeley Strike Kestrels
96 Hawker Siddeley Kestrels
22 Hawker Siddeley Ospreys (stealthy and updated version of the Kestrel)
45 Hawker Siddeley Condors (Transonic V/STOL aircraft that can carry a larger payload than the Harrier and has an updated radar)
20 Hawker Siddeley Sea Harriers FA.2
 
No Suez and a unified Commonwealth foreign policy sees the UK a more major power with a FAA to go with it ...115 Hawker Siddeley Strike Kestrels
96 Hawker Siddeley Kestrels
22 Hawker Siddeley Ospreys (stealthy and updated version of the Kestrel)
45 Hawker Siddeley Condors (Transonic V/STOL aircraft that can carry a larger payload than the Harrier and has an updated radar)
20 Hawker Siddeley Sea Harriers FA.2

Wow. That really puts one company with a complete lock on the Fleet Air Arm. That's got to cause some political waves.
 
Wow. That really puts one company with a complete lock on the Fleet Air Arm. That's got to cause some political waves.

I was planning BAC to have a similar monopoly on the RAF. Kind if like how in Russia, Tupolev have a monopoly on bombers, Mikoyan on fighters and Sukhoi on ground attack planes
 
How about the USN decides to buy the A5 instead of the A6 as the Medium Attack aircraft?
The A-5 is much bigger, more complex, and more expensive than the A-6. It also isn't very fast at low level. Its speed advantage is at medium to high altitude, and even there it can't go faster than an F-4, although it could sustain high speeds for much longer than anything else the Navy had at the time.
 

Riain

Banned
The A-5 is much bigger, more complex, and more expensive than the A-6. It also isn't very fast at low level. Its speed advantage is at medium to high altitude, and even there it can't go faster than an F-4, although it could sustain high speeds for much longer than anything else the Navy had at the time.

The A5 was assessed by the Navy as costing more than the A6 to do the Medium Attack missions for exactly the reasons you state.

The A5 was able to do Mach 0.9 at 200' and accelerate to over Mach 1 for short periods, while the Intruder couldn't do Mach 0.9 at all. This capability was why the RAAF evaluated the A5 in 1963 and not the A6.
 
Not really, it lacked the electronics and design for it. It was a good air-air fighter, with limited air-ground. The Jaguar beat it in low level ground support and the Tornado in payload, low level speed, range... it would be years before the F-16 became a true multipurpose tool.

I beg to differ.

Early A & B versions of the F-16's APG-66 radar had up to seven air to ground modes.

It must have been good for the Israeli's to use them against the Iraqi Osirak reactor in . . . . 1981!

Ref: Salamanders "Modern Attack Aircraft 1987/
 
PAF pushes harder for Strike Eagles in the mid to late 2000’s than in OTL.
The air OPS in FATA suffered due to the lack of a really big earth penetrator. The Paveway III was clearly insufficient and the GBU28 would have been very useful.
Although Congress and India were big hurdles, the CENTCOM, as well as Boeing and Raytheon felt they could have gotten it past.
 
I beg to differ.

Early A & B versions of the F-16's APG-66 radar had up to seven air to ground modes.

It must have been good for the Israeli's to use them against the Iraqi Osirak reactor in . . . . 1981!

Ref: Salamanders "Modern Attack Aircraft 1987/

I did not say it couldn't do it, just it wasn't the best one for it. The others I post were better. As for the Osirak strike, despite it's range, it was a pretty simple op, relatively speaking: hit a big building, in daylight.

Edit: Mosquitos did it in WWII...
 
It was a construction site.
I don’t know how much work you guys have done on projects, but during construction, thunderstorms can be a concern.
 

Khanzeer

Banned
F-101 serves in its original role as a long range escort fighter and tactical fighter bomber ( vs nuclear strike aircraft)

it carries AIM-7 and AIM-9 AAMs and a sizable external load of weapons , serving as USAF equivalent of F-4 of USN in the mid-60s
 
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