Fate of Nazi Germany if Hitler takes over with a civil war

Gukpard

Gukpard

Germany went in the way it followed in our timeline since they took over the country as it was recovering from the great depression, and we all know how it ended

Assuming that somehow there is a civil war and the nazis come to power. Germany is now ruined and they probably accept that they cannot go to war immediately. What happens? Does the nazis try to go to war with at least one target like austria or Poland? Do Germany turn into a ruined, isolated central european nation due the nazi failed policies? Do they sober up and try a long therm plan since war is not possible for now?
 

Anarchomando

So did the KPD and the 1918-19 revolution succeed in causing a civil war to actually begin because if so I think the Communists would have more leeway under Rosa and others
 

Carl Schwamberger

If, this hypothetical civil war ends the Reichswehr & its hyper trained officer/NCO corps it probably means the German military later is incapable of the sort of high success operations of PTL during 1939-1942. No Guderian, Kliest, Manstein, ect... who were the star players that emerged from the SA? Would the SA or SS have produced the high performance staff officers that enabled Rommels successes. Or, would German military command staff performance resembled that of the Rad Army in 1940-41, or the politics ridden Italian army staff sections?
 

WanderingProfessor

Banned
If were assuming that this German Civil War breaks out as a result of a more successful Munich Beer Hall Putsch, Nazi Germany as we know it may or may not exist since they could take control of some or most of Bavaria and create the Third Reich but the success could be short-lived as the Weimar Republic might eventually crush them.
 

Garrison

Donor
Gukpard said:
Germany went in the way it followed in our timeline since they took over the country as it was recovering from the great depression, and we all know how it ended

Assuming that somehow there is a civil war and the nazis come to power. Germany is now ruined and they probably accept that they cannot go to war immediately. What happens? Does the nazis try to go to war with at least one target like austria or Poland? Do Germany turn into a ruined, isolated central european nation due the nazi failed policies? Do they sober up and try a long therm plan since war is not possible for now?
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How do the Nazis win a civil war with no support from the military and with German business interests and Conservative politicians almost certainly opposing them? The Nazis were only able to come to power in OTL with the support of these elements, who mistakenly thought they could control Hitler. If Hitler tries a coup d'état or launches a civil war there is no way he gets the support he needs to come to power.

If he somehow did come to power then you have a scenario similar to Spain, a fractured country in no condition to threaten its neighbours who will have little reason to try and appease Nazi Germany.
 

Alanith

If the Nazi's try to take over Germany with a civil war... well their main fighting force are a bunch of blustering goons and a smaller group of military cosplayers. Vs an extremely competent and well trained Reichswehr. I don't see this really ending any other way then with the Nazi leaders, Hitler foremost among them, dancing a jig at the end of a rope.
 
ordinarylittleme

ordinarylittleme

WanderingProfessor said:
If were assuming that this German Civil War breaks out as a result of a more successful Munich Beer Hall Putsch, Nazi Germany as we know it may or may not exist since they could take control of some or most of Bavaria and create the Third Reich but the success could be short-lived as the Weimar Republic might eventually crush them.
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Why would they break out civil war as result of that?
After all Weimar was largely unpopular and not particularly strong militarily
 
BELFAST

BELFAST

Given how wasteful national socialist economics are, and adding a civil war to that and Germany would not be able to defend itself never mind starting an aggressive war.
 

Alanith

1-800-wandsthetic said:
Why would they break out civil war as result of that?
After all Weimar was largely unpopular and not particularly strong militarily
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One doesn't need to be particularly strong to beat a cult of personality whose major military achievement is lynching jewish shopkeepers. The Nazi Party at this point in time is a massive far cry from the beast it would become with the official reins of power.
 
ordinarylittleme

ordinarylittleme

Alanith said:
One doesn't need to be particularly strong to beat a cult of personality whose major military achievement is lynching jewish shopkeepers. The Nazi Party at this point in time is a massive far cry from the beast it would become with the official reins of power.
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Well that is true but why would there even be a war? Neither side is powerful enough to wage war especially after WWI.
 

marktaha

Banned
Alanith said:
One doesn't need to be particularly strong to beat a cult of personality whose major military achievement is lynching jewish shopkeepers. The Nazi Party at this point in time is a massive far cry from the beast it would become with the official reins of power.
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They were used to streetfighting and a lot of them were ex-servicemen. I agree that they would still have lost.
 
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