With how thick the upper belt is I'm surprised they didn't narrow it a tad and make it 9" with the rest of the main belt. They could probably get away with only losing a foot, maybe a foot and a half of belt width.

The bigger surprise to me is that they kept the 4" end belts. Eliminate those and they could probably go to 11" on the main belt with maybe the loss of half a knot of speed

Oh! ... don't worry, we're not done with the Admirals yet!
Thus far, I've tried to keep them closer to early-war design for battleships. There was a series of ships that all had 10",7" and 5" belts (main,mid,upper) and to some degree this is a battlecruiser version of those (as was the real Hood).
The thin fore/aft belts will help to prevent the ends from being riddled by splinters, and provide some protection against end-on fire (or so conventional theory said).

As a minimum, that 8" > 9" transition is tempting isn't it ...;)
... and of course they have another 8 months or so to redesign the other two ships ... maybe.
 
Also we may have other actions that could cause changes with ships if they are not complete. The Furious is coming along and is a what, 6-inch armoured ship with 6 x 18-inch rifles right?

Also, it goes without saying, great updates! :D
 
If she hasn't been launched yet, plenty of time to put a flat deck and island to one side on the design.......I think they were looking around for hulls at this time.
We're still just a tad early for 'flying off decks'. Even with the daft OTL Furious it wasn't until late '16/early '17 that the fore deck was added.
She was also obviously a pretty worthless design. The story's Furious has many flaws, but she's at least a viable battlecruiser.

Late 1916 and the view might start to change.
 
Nice work, really good updates on this TL.

Will this Hood have a happier legacy..?

Edit: with thinner deck armour, probably not.
Thank you.
Even I can't tell you that yet ... I haven't gamed out any of the battle(s) she might fight in.
However, I can say that she won't be the incomparably magnificent one-off wonder-ship she was perceived to be in OTL.
As a minimum she'll have a far more glamourous one-off cousin, and she might have a sister too.

Ohh, and she's a smaller ship than OTL ... so naturally she has smaller problems!:)
 
Also we may have other actions that could cause changes with ships if they are not complete. The Furious is coming along and is a what, 6-inch armoured ship with 6 x 18-inch rifles right?

Also, it goes without saying, great updates! :D

Thank you ... all praise gratefully received.:D

Ahh! curses! ... you've seen through the DNC's cunning 15" 48-cal designation. Let's hope the enemy are more easily fooled.
Furious will have a 12" inclined armour belt (sounds great, doesn't it).
But ... it's not very wide and it's essentially the only armour on the ship apart from splinter protection.
 
Nice work, really good updates on this TL.

Will this Hood have a happier legacy..?

Edit: with thinner deck armour, probably not.

After Jutland most ships had their deck armor increased by an inch or so - so whatever Jutland analogy i.e. major clash occurs in TTL depending on the lessons learned we might possible see TTL 'Hood' design have its deck armor improved on the slipway

Or not....
 
Thank you ... all praise gratefully received.:D

Ahh! curses! ... you've seen through the DNC's cunning 15" 48-cal designation. Let's hope the enemy are more easily fooled.
Furious will have a 12" inclined armour belt (sounds great, doesn't it).
But ... it's not very wide and it's essentially the only armour on the ship apart from splinter protection.
Sounds like something to fix when she(hopefully(the same goes for the Renown and Admirals)) gets a rebuild in the 30s.
 
After Jutland most ships had their deck armor increased by an inch or so - so whatever Jutland analogy i.e. major clash occurs in TTL depending on the lessons learned we might possible see TTL 'Hood' design have its deck armor improved on the slipway

Or not....
I don't think I'm giving anything away by saying there will be armour improvements to the ship(s) before completion. Of course, how easy and extensive that is depends on how advanced they are.
 
Again, not if the Treasury has anything to say about it. There's a reason the Royal Navy considered the Treasury their "true" enemy.
Along with every other government department, most PMs, all nationalised firms and any private ones that ever wanted government money! :)
 
Along with every other government department, most PMs, all nationalised firms and any private ones that ever wanted government money! :)
I'm still surprised bomber command didn't "accidentally" hit the Treasury building with a full air strike during WW2 and use its legendarily bad navigation and accuracy as the excuse as to why it happened
 
Jellicoe’s Nightmare
Jellicoe’s Nightmare

The battlecruiser Indomitable and her sister Invincible had come North to the great anchorage of Scapa Flow at the beginning of May. Like the rest of his crew, Able Seaman Archibald Martins had been told they were joining the Grand Fleet for gunnery practice. So far, Scapa had its ups and downs. There wasn’t much to do here; there were no towns just a mile or two from the ship. No music halls or pubs, no sports fields or cinemas. No little nooks and crannies where local ‘businesses’ made sure a sailor could always have a good time.
Scapa was dull.
On the other hand, since they arrived, the ship hadn’t been at four hours’ notice for steam for days on end, as was often the case at Rosyth. As one of ‘Beatty’s Hunters’, they had to be ready to charge out to sea at the first sign of the Hun, and so the crews’ chances of enjoying the delights to be found ashore had been far more restricted than they might have been.
As a lookout, stationed on the starboard side of the navigation bridge, Martins could overhear the officers’ chatter, and he often knew far more than most of his shipmates. That had been valuable more than once, as he’d been able to lay safe money that the ship would be heading to such-and-such a duty. This time, however, his insider-knowledge hadn’t earned him much; by now everyone on the ship knew his game, except for a couple of new lads who’d lost a week’s grog ration to him.
The two battlecruisers were the first part of an exchange between the Fleets. While they were here, the C-in-C intended that the Grand Fleet should have faster scouts than the older armoured cruisers, and so the 25-knot ‘Invincibles’ would serve in this role if the fleet put to sea. In the south, Admiral Beatty still had all five ‘Splendid Cats’ and the two ‘Indefatigables’, half-sisters of A/B Martin’s ship. What A/B Martins didn’t know was that Beatty’s pestering of both Admiral Jellicoe and the Admiralty had gained him more than two ships in return. Four fast ‘Queen Elizabeths’ of the Fifth Battle Squadron had been temporarily reassigned to the Battlecruiser Fleet.

Despite keeping his ears open for the last few days, Martins still hadn’t found out how long they’d be at Scapa. The ship was steaming steadily out of the Flow, on her way to the ranges, and depending on the results of the day’s shoot, he thought might overhear news later in the day. This was another difference from Rosyth; there they’d had drills, but they couldn’t fire the ship’s big guns in the in the confines of the Forth, or off the heavily populated coastline nearby.

A few minutes after they cleared the channel, they had increased speed when Martins heard a cry, ‘TORPEDO TRACK TO PORT’ come from the other side of the ship. He tensed instinctively, and glanced over his shoulder, but he knew his job was to keep scanning the starboard side. His training kicked in and he turned back to sweep his eyes across the grey sea. Behind him, he heard orders being barked down the voice-pipes; ‘Full Ahead’, ‘Hard a’ starboard’, ‘Signal Flagship torpedo sighted to port’.
There were more shouts behind him as another disturbance in the water was spotted. He looked at the Invincible, steaming ahead of his ship.
Then there was an explosion.

Martins was surprised; the noise was surprisingly muted, it was more of a low rumble and whoosh of water than the thunder of their guns or the blast of a shell. However, the deck seemed to convulse under his feet, followed by a slower shuddering and rocking. Glancing back, he saw a column of water reaching high up to port, just abaft the rear funnel. Moments later, the 4” guns of the ship's secondary armament cracked out, firing at a point where bubbles and a disturbance in the water had been spotted.

Far below and behind Martins’ station, water flooded into the port engine room as the explosion breached the outer hull and the bulkheads inboard of it. Rivets pinged off plates around the area of the blast as the bulkhead immediately forward was distorted. Water gushed into the wing bunkers abeam No.4 Boiler Room, where it freely flooded into the boiler room itself through open coal hatches. Attempts to close them were quickly abandoned as the water rose swiftly towards the boilers. Stokers hurled themselves up the escape ladders and slammed the hatches shut moments before water reached the hot coals. Cold seawater met the blazing furnaces and flashed to steam, which exploded out of the boilers and up the funnels and ventilators. The ship's list continued to increase as the engine room and wing areas flooded, and five minutes after the explosion, crews in the aft secondary battery reported waves were lapping onto the port side of the quarterdeck.
On the bridge, Martins heard the voice of the Chief Engineer telling the Captain that water was also entering the port machinery room abeam X magazine, and that the ship was in danger of capsizing. Orders were shouted for boiler room crews to damp their fires, and for preparations to be made to flood starboard wing spaces and bunkers to counterbalance the rising weight of water to port. At 1243, eight minutes after the original explosion, Martins felt a slight shudder course through the ship, and a few moments later the tinny sound of the Third Lieutenant's voice came through on a voice pipe from below. Water was entering the coal bunkers above the engine rooms and a hatch to the ventilator room and distillation plant had failed.
Below, men tried to hammer the hatch back into place as the water rushed around their legs. Timber baulks were used as levers and wedges, but no matter what they did, the hatch couldn’t be sealed. The flow had been reduced, but as men struggled to move or see what they were doing with seawater up to their waists, the lights failed. Trying to plug a leaking hatch using only a few torches was soon found to be impossible as men slipped under the water and were unable to see where the leaks were with their eyes stinging with the oily seawater.

The Captain’s face looked grave, as he knew there was nothing more that could be done. Even so, the inevitable could be delayed. His penultimate order was to flood the starboard engine room.
At 1257, his final order was to abandon ship.

Stoker George McPherson, who was stationed in the unflooded No.3 boiler room later recalled,
‘We were heeled right over when the order came to abandon, and the Chief shouted to get up the ventilator-escape trunk. My boiler was on the port side and I knew we'd been at the deepest point of the ship, but I wasn't prepared for the sight when I got to the top of the trunk.
The ventilator was on the Foc’sle deck, abaft the second funnel. The ship was heeling even further and when we reached the top, the water was only about 10 feet away from us as we climbed out - water on the deck!
I ran for’ard, and up towards the starboard side, thinking we'd be rescued from there, but Nobby (Leading Stoker Robert Garth) yelled to get off her now and into the water. We walked down into the sea and swam off towards a float that was just a few yards away. There were some boats about too. I didn't see her roll over, but I heard the roar and when I turned there was this wave coming at us. There was nothing anyone could do and I was pulled under and chucked about. I don’t know how I got back to the surface, but I did and I was right next to a cork float and some other bits of wood.
I shouted about, but I never found Nobby.’


Of her crew of 971, 726 were rescued by boats from the escorting destroyers. Indomitable capsized at 1301, twenty-six minutes after the torpedo hit. A few survivors were rescued from atop the upturned hull, before it finally sank at 1328.

The gunfire that had been directed at the disturbance on the surface was followed by traces of oil being spotted on the sea. Indomitable’s escorts followed up the attack using a new weapon; the depth charge. No obvious results were seen, but after the war German records showed that U-43 failed to return from her patrol, as one of a line of U-boats waiting to attack the Grand Fleet.
 
Ouch, this was a heavy loss, thats two of Fisher's tinclads sunk, and this might well be getting more alarm bells ringing as more ships are built with similar if not worse protection than the I's.
 
Ouch, this was a heavy loss, thats two of Fisher's tinclads sunk, and this might well be getting more alarm bells ringing as more ships are built with similar if not worse protection than the I's.
On the positive side in both cases the majority of the crew survived. Not to mention the I's have no business fighting other battlecruisers so their loss hurts the BCF the least
 
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