The Ultimate Battlecruiser
The Ultimate Battlecruiser

HMS Furious, the largest and most powerful warship in the world, was commissioned for sea trials on 18th March 1918. She was as great a leap forward in firepower and speed as had been seen since the launch of HMS Dreadnought. Each of her three turrets could fire a pair of shells that weighed as much as Dreadnought’s entire broadside, while in anything other than a flat calm she could outrun any destroyer.

Jane's noted that her guns were ‘believed to be of 16.5" calibre’ and could fire a shell that ‘weighs more than a ton, over a range limited only by maximum visibility’. Armour was described as being ‘on the scale of a battleship’, and the optimistic tone continued as displacement was listed as being approximately 40,000 tons, a guess which supported the claims of an extensive armour scheme. The nautical almanac also listed the ship’s speed as being 32 knots, but with ‘higher speeds certainly available in service’.

For once, the guesswork and propaganda was not exaggerated.
Furious' six 18” guns could fire a newly-designed 4-crh, 3,332lb ‘Greenboy’ shell at 2,270fps, which could penetrate the armour of anything afloat, at any likely battle range. Her engines were more powerful than those of any two foreign warships put together, and her 12” inclined armour belt provided protection as good as that of any battleship.

Since her design prior to the Battle of Stavanger, additional armour had been added to the roofs of her magazines, and following experienced with the ‘Glorious’ class, strengthening plates had been added along her foc’sle and sides. Even so, her true normal displacement was only 35,185 tons, and full load was just over 39,500 tons.

On trials off Arran in May, she comfortably achieved her design speed of 33½ knots, even while almost 3,000 tons over normal load displacement.
Three weeks later, with the machinery better bedded in and the crew more used to handling it, she was ordered out for a series of maximum-power trials, on which she was deliberately run a little lighter, at 36,160 tons. Her machinery was designed for 160,000 shp, and she reached a mean of 33.51 knots over four runs with 159,500 shp. For the next series, she used full forcing and closed condensers to achieve the staggering total of 189,120shp, with a mean speed over two runs of 35.03 knots.

This impressive achievement came at a cost, revealing many areas of weakness in the machinery, including among the coupling of the reduction gears and the alignment of the twin sets of turbines to each of the shafts. When she was docked after trials, severe pitting was found around the edges of the propeller blades, indicating that cavitation was occurring at these extreme loads. During her post-trial refit, the flexibility of the machinery mounts was addressed and a replacement set of props had a slightly larger area. The cavitation problems were largely solved, but no-one tried to push her up to 35 knots ever again.

Throughout her life, the ‘double turbines’ required a great deal of maintenance, as the gear sets wore out quickly due to flexing of the hull as she rode the seas. The strengthened machinery bedding helped, but the problem never entirely went away. The entire stern was also found to vibrate badly when she ran at certain speeds, which was only partly solved by a practice of running inboard and outboard shafts at slightly different rates.
In service, none of her Chief Engineers ever gladly pushed her machinery beyond 295 revolutions, which corresponded to about 162,000shp if everything else was working well. Nevertheless, this would give her close to 33 knots with a clean hull, even when at full load.
She was an incomparable thoroughbred; tetchy and injury-prone, but when fit and healthy, very, very fast.

Beneath the headline figures, her armour was limited, her hull was highly stressed and early firing trials showed that the immense blast of her guns damaged the decks and superstructure almost whenever they were fired. On firing her first full broadside in June 1918, several sailors swore that they saw the upper deck above their heads bend, while several members of the bridge crew suffered from mild concussion. She was promptly restricted to firing half-salvos or using reduced charges until a better solution could be developed.
However, none of these faults were widely known.

On the 18th August, her Captain welcomed the man who inspired her construction on board. Now showing his age and visibly tired after the strains of war, Admiral Fisher couldn’t help smiling as he boarded the largest and last of ‘his’ battlecruisers.
After lunch in the mess, the Admiral was presented with a model of the ship, inscribed with an adapted version of his own motto;

‘Fear God and Dread Nought but Furious’.
 
That's helpful, in that it confirms where I'm planning to take things re Canada. Such a lack of interest may yet prove sensible, as a certain treaty might not look favourably on a separate Canadian Navy...
Hmmm maybe Canada orders 4 modified York class cruisers and plans a force of 20 destroyers either via transfers like the C and D class DDs of otl or from domestic construction in say 1932 after the Statute of Westminister is passed and is thus Canada is a separate entity as related to foreign policy from the British Empire. That or it builds them like Spain built the Carnaris class...well a Vickers subsidiary did but hey Canada also has a Vickers subsidiary.
 
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The big question is whether the RN is willing to convert(or the like) Furious at this possible Alt-WNT, since she has the problems of firing the guns without damaging herself, but converting the ship that is turning into the face of your navy isn't great for PR.
 
Hmmm maybe Canada orders 4 modified York class cruisers and plans a force of 20 destroyers either via transfers like the C and D class DDs of otl or from domestic construction in say 1932 after the Statute of Westminister is passed and is thus Canada is a separate entity as related to foreign policy from the British Empire. That or it builds them like Spain built the Carnaris class...well a Vickers subsidiary did but hey Canada also has a Vickers subsidiary.

If Canada does such a thing, it's going to require a vastly different Canada than we have and one I don't think sts is considering.

You are asking for roughly 5,400 personnel to run all of those ships, that is not counting shore based support and other crews to swap around with. Just take this into consideration, the Canadian Naval yearly budget from 1922 to 1925 was only $1.5 million and did not increase until the early 1930's where it went up to $3.5 million roughly and the Navy itself only had between 460 to 520 permanent trained full time personnel. What you are asking for is essentially impossible without the Royal Navy completely funding an crewing those ships.
 
The big question is whether the RN is willing to convert(or the like) Furious at this possible Alt-WNT, since she has the problems of firing the guns without damaging herself, but converting the ship that is turning into the face of your navy isn't great for PR.

It seems that this is a much more viable and useful ship than OTL Furious so I think a carrier conversion is highly unlikely. On the other hand she has pretty much fulfilled her function. She has proven that an 18" armed, 35 knot, 12" armoured ship is possible and terrifying and given the DNC/Admiralty the laundry list of changes that need to be made to make the next generation of British battlecruisers so they are actually powerful as HMS Furious's propaganda would suggest.
 
It seems that this is a much more viable and useful ship than OTL Furious so I think a carrier conversion is highly unlikely. On the other hand she has pretty much fulfilled her function. She has proven that an 18" armed, 35 knot, 12" armoured ship is possible and terrifying and given the DNC/Admiralty the laundry list of changes that need to be made to make the next generation of British battlecruisers so they are actually powerful as HMS Furious's propaganda would suggest.

I second that opinion, they will likely just have to strengthen the hell out of the ship with additional structural members and stiffeners similar to Renown and Repulse.
 
You are asking for roughly 5,400 personnel to run all of those ships, that is not counting shore based support and other crews to swap around with. Just take this into consideration, the Canadian Naval yearly budget from 1922 to 1925 was only $1.5 million and did not increase until the early 1930's where it went up to $3.5 million roughly and the Navy itself only had between 460 to 520 permanent trained full time personnel. What you are asking for is essentially impossible without the Royal Navy completely funding an crewing those ships.

Taking the rough ratio of needing 3 men in the Navy to keep 1 crewed on a ship you would need a RCN of about 15,000 a budget of c. $30 million. Which is why Canada buying a battleship for the RN every now and then is so much cheaper. An OTL R Class cost a bit over £2.5 million or $12-3 million and presumably the ATL R-class were in the same price range.
 
If Canada does such a thing, it's going to require a vastly different Canada than we have and one I don't think sts is considering.

You are asking for roughly 5,400 personnel to run all of those ships, that is not counting shore based support and other crews to swap around with. Just take this into consideration, the Canadian Naval yearly budget from 1922 to 1925 was only $1.5 million and did not increase until the early 1930's where it went up to $3.5 million roughly and the Navy itself only had between 460 to 520 permanent trained full time personnel. What you are asking for is essentially impossible without the Royal Navy completely funding an crewing those ships.
Maybe somebody who was in the RCN inherited a ton of money and willed it to his beloved service when he died? Its a plausible scenario. That or something along the lines of YYJ's The Rainbow timeline occurs.
 
Maybe somebody who was in the RCN inherited a ton of money and willed it to his beloved service when he died? Its a plausible scenario. That or something along the lines of YYJ's The Rainbow timeline occurs.

Even with money, it doesn't really solve the issue of operating the ships and finding the personnel. My timeline will eventually get the justification you want however, it's not realistic in any manner to operate such a large force by Canada until basically right up before WWII where historically the build up started. Even with some justification in German attacks on Canadian ships and shore locations, the political and economic reality for the RCN are a major factor even before you get into international treaties and such.
 
Even with money, it doesn't really solve the issue of operating the ships and finding the personnel. My timeline will eventually get the justification you want however, it's not realistic in any manner to operate such a large force by Canada until basically right up before WWII where historically the build up started. Even with some justification in German attacks on Canadian ships and shore locations, the political and economic reality for the RCN are a major factor even before you get into international treaties and such.
Fair enough I suppose, good luck with your timeline.
 
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Furious might not be everything her parents wanted but what it has done is shown the way and shown issues that the next generation of Dreadnoughts have to overcome

It effectively is a test bed of leading edge technologies and unless Washington type treaty's and the like cause progress on the design to be still born the next generation of British Battleships will be better balanced.

It also steals a march on the RNs peers.

They either try to compete with the design (not fully understanding its foibles) or fall behind.

Is the Furious design a conventional 2 forward 1 aft turret design or a G3 type layout?
 
She's a WW1 design so she's 2 forwards, 1 aft, probably looking like a big Renown, hopefully with two funnels instead of one big one. Damn nice to see her finally in service, i'm surprised she was completed as designed, there's still huge expanses of her hull that lack protection as her belt is very narrow and really any later modernisation/modification will probably start pushing that belt lower into the water, leaving great expanses of her largely un-armoured hull exposed.

Still its good to see that her Grandfather got to see his prized child be ready, I could see him boarding her for her speed trials, especially when she did the 35 knot one off run. Him standing on the bridge, out of the way, a smile on his aged face.

But from the sounds of it she's going to be a troublesome child, with finickey engines, and guns that generate too much pressure and force for the ship to endure repeated firings. As was said, she's a thorougbread, perhaps a bit too much of one really, and will serve as more a showcase of Britannia's naval supremacy, showing the flag in ports around the world, especially once the stats on her guns become known. She'll be an effective propaganda piece, but, as a warship? I'd rather have some more armour. Not that anything would protect you against one of those monstrous 3,332lb ‘Greenboy’ shells!
 
Nice update, thx. Cue mild panic amongst other navies as they realise that the RN has (again) obsoleted most of the world's capital ships. As long as the RN doesn't get dragged down the rabbit-hole itself, the catch-up race which ensues should keep it ahead for a while - enough time for it to then move into carriers, perhaps? (though that's probably a bit too much modern hindsight for right now in the TL)
‘Fear God and Dread Nought but Furious’.
When I read that I wondered if that would be the end of the TL, as it would be a fitting quotation to end with!
 
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Here is sts-200's picture of her from the chapter 'Unlike Anything Else'
 
Am I going blind, or does she not have any casemate secondaries? Is it only the small shielded guns along the top deck?

Later British BCs such as Renown OTL had 4" guns as had the preceding vessels (Except Tiger who had 6")

Mind you they might be 5.5" guns as fitted to Hood?
 
I imagine that Furious, if the treaty comes, will be classified as an experimental vessel not an active combat one, or in any case a training ship at best, you know, just to calm everybody out.
 
I imagine that Furious, if the treaty comes, will be classified as an experimental vessel not an active combat one, or in any case a training ship at best, you know, just to calm everybody out.
How exactly would the other Great Powers classify Furious, a 35 knot 18" BC as a training ship?
 
Pull out her guns, put them in storage, remove the belt, and 50% of her machinery, bingo instant engineering training ship. AND NOTHING ELSE...
 
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