There's some bits of background notes I'd like to make before my question:
1. The thirteen colonies and British Armed Forces resorting to force, of course, almost didn't happen and was almost averted numerous times during the leadup to the ARW. The colonists sent numerous petitions, the British had many sympathetic to the colonies, even then what could be termed proto-responsible government for individual colonies (Pitt's Provisional Act in 1774 and the Carlisle Peace Commission in 1778) or flat-out proto-Dominion status for the entire lot (Galloway's Plan of Union shamelessly stealing from Franklin's Albany Plan) were developed. A century earlier than implemented.
2. Even AFTER the ARW happened and the USA gained independence it might have been nominally independent... but culturally, economically, and even personally was very much tied to Britain for the rest of the 18th and much of the 19th century. And politics did depend heavily on British concerns till 1815 and occasionally still crop up afterwards (I'm looking at you, 1818, Texas, Webster-Ashburton, and Oregon). So for much of its 'independent' history Britain mattered much to America. Something to remember as butterflies develop in TTL.
3. Military matters. Even on its very own, sans colonial troops, Britain could take on the USA for much of that time (even if it'd be a bitch to take on America, in fairness to my fellow Yankees and proven twice in OTL) and America usually isn't considered a 'world power' till freaking 1898.
Till then America's military power unless a war was happening was pretty laughable and even during some wars themselves (witness the size during the Mexican-American War, or blundering in 1812...the Civil War might arguably be the shining moment of American prowess till 1898).
3. OTOH economics-wise and population-wise America was utterly booming. It was matching Britain (I believe) population-wise by the 1840s and economically surpassing Britain by the 1870s. Again, I may be wrong, but roughly somewhere on those lines.
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So, with all those considerations, my questions are this.
Like many a TL before, assume America's revolution is averted and British America becomes a dominion. But, a dominion still within the British Empire, like Canada and Australia and New Zealand of OTL with military and foreign affairs handled by the mother country. So with that scenario on the cards:
1. When would the Dominion of (North) America gain complete independence, as in full control of its own foreign affairs and military stuff? Please note that I'm assuming in this scenario that DoA is still very friendly and caring to the mother country and vice-versa, but the aformentioned stats of the OTL USA in economics and population means that it would become unwieldy to govern from London in some form with even the best of intentions. Something would have to give way. But what?
2. How would the concept of responsible government and dominion status and what have you arising in the late 18th century affect any other British settler colonies founded in the future? Even the Empire itself? I assume Australia has a shot of developing ala OTL if America shuts itself off from convict shipping, for example, but would those colonies be given a bit more self-government sooner, from the get-go, etc? Would any settler colonies (colonies in general, really) in turn be federated sooner? After all, Canada was the first dominion in 1867. Here America did it in 1776 or 1783 or whatever equivalent date you wish for. Plenty of time to work out kinks in the system.
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I'm assuming things turn out roughly similar to our world in historical terms since dominion status (re: being able to do things for themselves, simply with a constitutional monarch at the top) and being far-off across the sea means in turn America's development can go de-facto similar in turn. IE, Americans head out west and gradually overwhelm Amerindians, the north/south divide still happens and some physical conflict, perhaps squabbles with New Spain/Mexico/etc. in the southwest, still all about individual rights and economic opportunity (rather like Canada and Australia in OTL), etc.
In turn, I'm assuming world history beyond America goes roughly similar. French Revolution and ensuring wars, a post-bellum conservatism across western civilization, etc. Would fighting alongside Britain during the French Revolutionary Wars be the WW1 equivalent for America, say? How much and long would Britain negotiate for America on the world stage then and afterwards?
TL;DR assuming America is a dominion and world history remains broadly or roughly still familiar, how long would it stay formally part of the British Empire/affect would-be future dominions and colonies?
1. The thirteen colonies and British Armed Forces resorting to force, of course, almost didn't happen and was almost averted numerous times during the leadup to the ARW. The colonists sent numerous petitions, the British had many sympathetic to the colonies, even then what could be termed proto-responsible government for individual colonies (Pitt's Provisional Act in 1774 and the Carlisle Peace Commission in 1778) or flat-out proto-Dominion status for the entire lot (Galloway's Plan of Union shamelessly stealing from Franklin's Albany Plan) were developed. A century earlier than implemented.
2. Even AFTER the ARW happened and the USA gained independence it might have been nominally independent... but culturally, economically, and even personally was very much tied to Britain for the rest of the 18th and much of the 19th century. And politics did depend heavily on British concerns till 1815 and occasionally still crop up afterwards (I'm looking at you, 1818, Texas, Webster-Ashburton, and Oregon). So for much of its 'independent' history Britain mattered much to America. Something to remember as butterflies develop in TTL.
3. Military matters. Even on its very own, sans colonial troops, Britain could take on the USA for much of that time (even if it'd be a bitch to take on America, in fairness to my fellow Yankees and proven twice in OTL) and America usually isn't considered a 'world power' till freaking 1898.
Till then America's military power unless a war was happening was pretty laughable and even during some wars themselves (witness the size during the Mexican-American War, or blundering in 1812...the Civil War might arguably be the shining moment of American prowess till 1898).
3. OTOH economics-wise and population-wise America was utterly booming. It was matching Britain (I believe) population-wise by the 1840s and economically surpassing Britain by the 1870s. Again, I may be wrong, but roughly somewhere on those lines.
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So, with all those considerations, my questions are this.
Like many a TL before, assume America's revolution is averted and British America becomes a dominion. But, a dominion still within the British Empire, like Canada and Australia and New Zealand of OTL with military and foreign affairs handled by the mother country. So with that scenario on the cards:
1. When would the Dominion of (North) America gain complete independence, as in full control of its own foreign affairs and military stuff? Please note that I'm assuming in this scenario that DoA is still very friendly and caring to the mother country and vice-versa, but the aformentioned stats of the OTL USA in economics and population means that it would become unwieldy to govern from London in some form with even the best of intentions. Something would have to give way. But what?
2. How would the concept of responsible government and dominion status and what have you arising in the late 18th century affect any other British settler colonies founded in the future? Even the Empire itself? I assume Australia has a shot of developing ala OTL if America shuts itself off from convict shipping, for example, but would those colonies be given a bit more self-government sooner, from the get-go, etc? Would any settler colonies (colonies in general, really) in turn be federated sooner? After all, Canada was the first dominion in 1867. Here America did it in 1776 or 1783 or whatever equivalent date you wish for. Plenty of time to work out kinks in the system.
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I'm assuming things turn out roughly similar to our world in historical terms since dominion status (re: being able to do things for themselves, simply with a constitutional monarch at the top) and being far-off across the sea means in turn America's development can go de-facto similar in turn. IE, Americans head out west and gradually overwhelm Amerindians, the north/south divide still happens and some physical conflict, perhaps squabbles with New Spain/Mexico/etc. in the southwest, still all about individual rights and economic opportunity (rather like Canada and Australia in OTL), etc.
In turn, I'm assuming world history beyond America goes roughly similar. French Revolution and ensuring wars, a post-bellum conservatism across western civilization, etc. Would fighting alongside Britain during the French Revolutionary Wars be the WW1 equivalent for America, say? How much and long would Britain negotiate for America on the world stage then and afterwards?
TL;DR assuming America is a dominion and world history remains broadly or roughly still familiar, how long would it stay formally part of the British Empire/affect would-be future dominions and colonies?
