Culture of a world where WW1 was averted

I suspect it would look different to our world, but also eerily familiar in many ways. I suspect a lot of the touted benefits of the world wars are overblown and come more from a desire to find some good in what is otherwise senseless slaughter than from any actual evidence. The sufferagette movement was already on full swing by 1914 and woman had the vote in many places - off the top of my head New Zealand and Australia - and economic pragmatism was always going to lead to women entering the workforce in greater numbers (most working-class women already worked anyway, being a housewife was a privilege of the middle and upper classes prior to the wars). Democratic socialism was also in the ascendant in many places - notably Germany - and this would have lead to more redistributive policies. Without the massive waste of resources of two years long total wars, nations across the world would be significantly wealthier, and there's not much reason to suspect that Russia, Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire couldn't have followed the development pattern of the 'Asian Tigers', initially booming as low-cost manufacturing centres under authoritarian government before transitioning into advanced economies with democratic governments.

Similarly, decolonisation is pretty much inevitable for simple economic reasons. Direct rule is expensive and provides few benefits that cannot also be gotten from client states at much lower cost. Russia likely keeps its possessions because they are contiguous with their homeland, but Britain is more likely to transition towards some sort of Imperial Federation (or more likely confederation). The French probably try to retain direct rule, lose a lot of blood and treasure in guerilla wars, and eventually compromise with the same solution for all but the few colonies where French settlers make up a majority or plurality. Germany, the Netherlands, Portugal, Italy, Spain and the US probably fall somewhere between the two approaches.

Without the utter devestation of two world wars, the global economy likely remains more multi-polar, meaning that an event like the Wall St Crash is less likely to sent the whole world into a death spiral and instead remain relatively contained in its region. This could allow for a more balanced development pattern as investment could come from many sources, and due to the greater competition would have to have fewer strings attatched. Without an ideological contest between communism and capitalism, there'd also be greater willingness to experiment and to adopt successful strategies no matter where they came from (as opposed to say, the US approach of decrying things other developed countries take for granted like universal healthcare as 'communism')

Without the destruction and impoverishment of Europe by war and the cutting off of half the continent by the Iron Curtain, culture would remain far less concentrated, with the French, German, British, Italian and Russian film industries remaining major players alongside Hollywood. Similarly Germany, France and the UK would remain major scientific centres on par with the US. Multilingualism would be somewhat inevitable for anyone wanting to function in scholarly or artistic circles.

I don't buy that without war we couldn't have had computers or rocketry. The earliest computers were created in the 19th Century, and people were already imagining reaching space. There's no reason they would just suddenly stop because they didn't start killing eachother in 1914. If anything, I could see the impulse for competition between the powers without war driving them to invest in a space race sooner, and with 4 or 5 competitors they could very well get there faster.

Computers are just useful and will be iterated upon, and much like CERN I could see a group of universities networking their computers into a primitive internet, at which point it's only a matter of time before someone realises that civilians will pay for this convenience. I agree that it's more likely to emerge as multiple distinct national or regional internets that then get networked together rather than as a single system, which would also make it much harder to create tech monopolies since any product would have to cross between networks and compete with alternatives indigenous to that system.

Another interesting concept is that this world could very well ban nuclear weapons without ever using them. I recall that at the time when they were being developed by the Manhatten Project, there was genuine concern that a nuclear blast might ignite the atmosphere. Without the pressures of total war, I could see the great powers sitting down and deciding that the risk of that happening is unacceptable.

There would also be a difference in urban design. Without the destruction of European cities, the sudden catapulting of young men into the middle class after the war, the massive investments in highways as economic stimulus during the depression and the sudden glut of cars postwar, car-dependent suburbia would have a much slower start and might never become as ubiquitous as it is in English-speaking countries. The Garden City/City Beautiful movements were both already in full swing, but pre-wars they generally emphasised public transport and public parks, and terraced homes or small apartments rather than widely-spaced detatched single family housing and little-to-no public transport. Without the pressure to quickly house a great many returning soldiers, there'd be more incentive to build new suburbs and towns to be self-sustaining communities. (In Australia, Canberra might actually get built on its original timeframe, rather than being put off for decades because of war debt.)

Art Nouveau and Art Deco would probably linger a bit longer as styles, before being replaced by other, newer ones. I don't think that we'd get quite the same Brutalism or Socialist Realism without the trauma of war and the urgent need to build a great many buildings in a very short timeframe. The demonisation of ornamentation would be a much harder sell, since people like ornament. Similarly, historicist styles would be harder to banish into the realm of embarrasing eccentricity without a cultural context conducive to rejecting the past.
 
I suspect it would look different to our world, but also eerily familiar in many ways. I suspect a lot of the touted benefits of the world wars are overblown and come more from a desire to find some good in what is otherwise senseless slaughter than from any actual evidence. The sufferagette movement was already on full swing by 1914 and woman had the vote in many places - off the top of my head New Zealand and Australia - and economic pragmatism was always going to lead to women entering the workforce in greater numbers (most working-class women already worked anyway, being a housewife was a privilege of the middle and upper classes prior to the wars). Democratic socialism was also in the ascendant in many places - notably Germany - and this would have lead to more redistributive policies. Without the massive waste of resources of two years long total wars, nations across the world would be significantly wealthier, and there's not much reason to suspect that Russia, Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire couldn't have followed the development pattern of the 'Asian Tigers', initially booming as low-cost manufacturing centres under authoritarian government before transitioning into advanced economies with democratic governments.

Similarly, decolonisation is pretty much inevitable for simple economic reasons. Direct rule is expensive and provides few benefits that cannot also be gotten from client states at much lower cost. Russia likely keeps its possessions because they are contiguous with their homeland, but Britain is more likely to transition towards some sort of Imperial Federation (or more likely confederation). The French probably try to retain direct rule, lose a lot of blood and treasure in guerilla wars, and eventually compromise with the same solution for all but the few colonies where French settlers make up a majority or plurality. Germany, the Netherlands, Portugal, Italy, Spain and the US probably fall somewhere between the two approaches.

Without the utter devestation of two world wars, the global economy likely remains more multi-polar, meaning that an event like the Wall St Crash is less likely to sent the whole world into a death spiral and instead remain relatively contained in its region. This could allow for a more balanced development pattern as investment could come from many sources, and due to the greater competition would have to have fewer strings attatched. Without an ideological contest between communism and capitalism, there'd also be greater willingness to experiment and to adopt successful strategies no matter where they came from (as opposed to say, the US approach of decrying things other developed countries take for granted like universal healthcare as 'communism')

Without the destruction and impoverishment of Europe by war and the cutting off of half the continent by the Iron Curtain, culture would remain far less concentrated, with the French, German, British, Italian and Russian film industries remaining major players alongside Hollywood. Similarly Germany, France and the UK would remain major scientific centres on par with the US. Multilingualism would be somewhat inevitable for anyone wanting to function in scholarly or artistic circles.

I don't buy that without war we couldn't have had computers or rocketry. The earliest computers were created in the 19th Century, and people were already imagining reaching space. There's no reason they would just suddenly stop because they didn't start killing eachother in 1914. If anything, I could see the impulse for competition between the powers without war driving them to invest in a space race sooner, and with 4 or 5 competitors they could very well get there faster.

Computers are just useful and will be iterated upon, and much like CERN I could see a group of universities networking their computers into a primitive internet, at which point it's only a matter of time before someone realises that civilians will pay for this convenience. I agree that it's more likely to emerge as multiple distinct national or regional internets that then get networked together rather than as a single system, which would also make it much harder to create tech monopolies since any product would have to cross between networks and compete with alternatives indigenous to that system.

Another interesting concept is that this world could very well ban nuclear weapons without ever using them. I recall that at the time when they were being developed by the Manhatten Project, there was genuine concern that a nuclear blast might ignite the atmosphere. Without the pressures of total war, I could see the great powers sitting down and deciding that the risk of that happening is unacceptable.

There would also be a difference in urban design. Without the destruction of European cities, the sudden catapulting of young men into the middle class after the war, the massive investments in highways as economic stimulus during the depression and the sudden glut of cars postwar, car-dependent suburbia would have a much slower start and might never become as ubiquitous as it is in English-speaking countries. The Garden City/City Beautiful movements were both already in full swing, but pre-wars they generally emphasised public transport and public parks, and terraced homes or small apartments rather than widely-spaced detatched single family housing and little-to-no public transport. Without the pressure to quickly house a great many returning soldiers, there'd be more incentive to build new suburbs and towns to be self-sustaining communities. (In Australia, Canberra might actually get built on its original timeframe, rather than being put off for decades because of war debt.)

Art Nouveau and Art Deco would probably linger a bit longer as styles, before being replaced by other, newer ones. I don't think that we'd get quite the same Brutalism or Socialist Realism without the trauma of war and the urgent need to build a great many buildings in a very short timeframe. The demonisation of ornamentation would be a much harder sell, since people like ornament. Similarly, historicist styles would be harder to banish into the realm of embarrasing eccentricity without a cultural context conducive to rejecting the past.
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Interesting concept, though I will say this: contrary to what some have speculated on here, I don't think that socio-cultural norms(be it for women's rights and civil rights, or LGBTQIA+ acceptance, etc.) necessarily would have lagged behind OTL by that much (and quite possibly, not at all overall, )for the simple reason that, IOTL, there really were a good number of missed opportunities for further progress, which probably wouldn't happen to the same extent ITTL-in fact, at least under the right circumstances, it's possible that we might see some earlier progress in at least some areas, if certain cards are played right(so, segregation ends in the '50s instead of the '60s and also, no Lavender Scare setting back LGBTQ+ rights by quite a while, just for a couple of U.S. based examples. Or, without the Nazis, assuming Magnus Hirschfeld continues his research ITTL, while his institute might have to wait a couple more decades to reach full fruition-unless the German gov't had still gone full-blown violently reactionary by then-the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, even if it were somewhat suppressed perhaps, would still exist, or at least an equivalent-barring that scenario mentioned above, in the worst case, Dr. Hirschfeld might simply have to move to France or some other country more likely not to interfere with his research. For a Middle East related divergence, how about avoiding the rise of the Al-Saud family? That could allow for Islamic fundamentalism to be less of a problem even if it doesn't eliminate it entirely.).

That said, though, I can't deny the potential drawbacks here: for one, even *Fascism might take a fair bit longer to discredit without the Nazis(and not just in Europe-here in the U.S. too, we did have some potentially fertile breeding ground for pro-fascist sentiment, perhaps especially in the South.), and there might well be a number of atrocities before it's all said and done(even if none of them quite reach the absolute horrors of the OTL Holocaust)-but at least when it does happen, it, and reactionism in general, very likely won't have a chance to make a comeback without basically a streak of bad luck almost akin to what we've had IOTL.

Now since we are in the topic of food, I think having no WWI would butterfly fast-food culture in the U.S. or at least delay it by decades. Fast-food culture arose from diner culture, which occurred after President Eisenhower signed the National Highway Act in 1956.

As Arkenfolm points out below:

The oldest US fast food chain is White Castle (which operates mostly in the Midwest) and that was started in the 20s which was successful because they marketed themselves as a cheap and clean restaurant while also being very distinctive. There were numerous regional chains like that in the 20s/30s, some of which still exist.

This, and I'd add that the National Highway Act, contrary to what some believe, was far from just being a measure to help the military-American roads were in need of a real overhaul for some time. It's possible that fast food culture could be delayed by a few years-maybe by the early '70s at the latest but anything past 1980 would be really pushing it, TBH, unless something truly radical happens.

The NHA itself was a result of the post-WWII baby boom so surburbs were created and people did not need to live in a city to work in a city.

Suburbs(at least in a form) existed for quite a while before the '50s, though-yes, that was the decade that they really took off(and even IOTL fears of nuclear war could not be entirely dismissed as a reason-and it easily could have been far more prominent even with a rather less intense Cold War than OTL's), but that wasn't particularly inevitable and perhaps it wouldn't have been that hard to kickstart that trend a few decades earlier.

Probably there would be still lot of fast food chains but these wouldn't are very spread. If there is MacDonalds or soemthing like that it is not going spread much outside of its country or even home state. And probably French fries (or whatever name it would be called) is not that famous and probably would stay just as Belgian food. And might be that hamburgers are not thing outside of North America. And probably pizzsa is hard to find outside of Mediterranean region. Probably even pasta is same case. So European food culture would be very localised.

French fries were already somewhat known here in the U.S. for a time before WWI, though; it is true that the post-WWI period did see a significant surge in their popularity, but especially given how simple of a dish they are to make it'd be nearly impossible to butterfly their popularity entirely(though, to be quite fair, it's perfectly possible that their Belgian origins may perhaps be better known).

Much the same can be said of pizza: Italian-Americans were already present in fairly large numbers and Italian-American cuisine would have spread outward at some point-pizza's popularity as a fast food might be a bit delayed, too, but again, it'd be really hard to set it back more than a couple of decades at most.

Item: IMO, Prohibition in the US is never enacted. IMO, it was passed at a moment when government took control of everything in the name of the war effort, and drinking was seen as damaging to that effort.

It might have failed, but this could have happened even with WWI as IOTL. More likely, you'd have to make it so either the Progressives recognize it's potential drawbacks, or enough racists and anti-Progressive elements are scared off of jumping on the bandwagon themselves.

Russian revolution was almost inevitable. That tsarist system just can't survive. Either Russia becomes fully constitutional monarchy or republic. Regarding pogroms, I don't see them continuing endlessly. Probably these would end at some point even if Russia would has still antisemtic legistature.

Yeah, that was just about it by the time 1905 rolled around, and I can't see any particularly plausible POD past about 1912 or so that the Empire fully survives as it previously existed.

I don't know how immigration policy is going to change without WW1 but it would be much strickter in many places since racism and antisemitism would be on presence much longer and without Holocaust no one begin to think that persecuted people should get safe haven.

That might happen, but is far from guaranteed, and even with a POD in 1912 it's not at all hard to see immigration being not much stricter, and in fact even without either of the world wars, immigration could have been loosened, at least in the U.S.(perhaps Canada too?)as early as about 1950, maybe even a bit earlier-I could see an alternate *Great Depression motivating restrictions if it still happens, but even with that late POD, it wouldn't necessarily be that outright explicitly prejudicial like the OTL legislation from 1924 was.
 
Found some great reference material for this thread, as with all "No WWI" threads.
 

Butterflying of ANZAC Day and the day for the Australian commemoration of its war dead will be named differently from and with less emphasis on ANZAC/ Gallipoli (regardless of date set).

This is because, without the World Wars, the Cold War or anything of their scale, any need to invade Turkey/ the Ottoman Empire by sea via Gallipoli will involve different invaders and the British, French and Americans, if they still need to invade Gallipoli/ Turkey/ the Ottoman Empire by sea, won't be distracted by fighting in Europe, so, ANZAC combatant troops won't be used (until desperation or losing the campaign and instead of starting Gallipoli with ANZAC troops, which will make the role of Australia and New Zealand in Gallipoli and Gallipoli as a whole less important and worthy of commemoration by Australia and New Zealand compared to reality).
 
Sort of a sequel to my "Military tech in a no WW1 world thread," but this time talking about culture in a world without WW1?

What direction would culture, such as art and film go in? How would European film industries develop without WW1 to stunt them? What of Russian media and culture without the USSR? And so on.

Assuming Russian culture without the World Wars and communism/ the USSR, its overseas diaspora is changed. So, less to no Russian cuisine outside of Europe including Russia itself.

https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...-foods-and-drinks.411503/page-2#post-14366424

Cuisine butterflies for the scenario can be discussed from the link above.
 
Tourism can also be affected by a no world wars scenario as culture. From the non-existence of memorial sites, plaques, museums, cemeteries, mausoleums and concentration camps exclusively caused by the World Wars, the Cold War and associated atrocities to the increased usage of ships over planes to do tourism.

Architecture butterflied by the scenario can also affect or butterfly the construction of other tourist sites using the aforementioned architecture otl.


 
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Tourism can also be affected by a no world wars scenario as culture. From the non-existence of memorial sites, plaques, museums, cemeteries, mausoleums and concentration camps exclusively caused by the World Wars, the Cold War and associated atrocities to the increased usage of ships over planes to do tourism.


There would be too more old cities to see in Eastern Europe. So tourism would be still pretty advanced. Russia too would be more attractive tourist destination.
 
Similarly, decolonisation is pretty much inevitable for simple economic reasons. Direct rule is expensive and provides few benefits that cannot also be gotten from client states at much lower cost. Russia likely keeps its possessions because they are contiguous with their homeland, but Britain is more likely to transition towards some sort of Imperial Federation (or more likely confederation). The French probably try to retain direct rule, lose a lot of blood and treasure in guerilla wars, and eventually compromise with the same solution for all but the few colonies where French settlers make up a majority or plurality. Germany, the Netherlands, Portugal, Italy, Spain and the US probably fall somewhere between the two approaches.

I agree with that generally but I am nervous that more and worse "Rhodesia" situations occur. In this TL we have more European population around, more money to invest in the colonies, air conditioning and anti malaria drugs becoming ubiquitous, plus air and air ship travel to the colonies. A double European population in the colonies seems reasonable over OTL. Plus racial superiority theories haven't been discredited.
 
I agree with that generally but I am nervous that more and worse "Rhodesia" situations occur. In this TL we have more European population around, more money to invest in the colonies, air conditioning and anti malaria drugs becoming ubiquitous, plus air and air ship travel to the colonies. A double European population in the colonies seems reasonable over OTL. Plus racial superiority theories haven't been discredited.
the economics of why settle there when the already 'open' new world?
 
I don't buy that without war we couldn't have had computers or rocketry. The earliest computers were created in the 19th Century, and people were already imagining reaching space. There's no reason they would just suddenly stop because they didn't start killing eachother in 1914. If anything, I could see the impulse for competition between the powers without war driving them to invest in a space race sooner, and with 4 or 5 competitors they could very well get there faster.
Rocketry may not even get off the ground without WW1 (+2) happening. All of todays rocket programs, military and civilians, go back to the German rocketry program of the 30s and 40s, which itself is merely the result of Versailles Treaty limitations and bans on artillery - it's not covered by them. And by the time they repudiated the treaty and all its lmitations von Braun had demonstrated a large rocket and had a good sales pitch to keep the funding and expand it during the war.
That was a massive amount of money, iirc as much as the Manhattan Project. That kind of money is not going to flow in a no WW timeline, it's the WWs that even opened government coffers to such large scale projects, before that taxation and spending were very low everywhere.
 
the economics of why settle there when the already 'open' new world?
Agree that a lot of people may go to North and South America still, that is why I am thinking only double OTL Euro population, some did find reasons to move to Africa OTL, often limited by crappy climate (air conditioning and malaria drugs will mitigate this), Using Germany as an example: Germans settled in the Tanzania highlands and Southwest Africa because that was the few places climate was tolerable, (some Germans went to Pacific Islands because counter culture lifestyles were permissible there).

In general more money without WW1 might lead to more commercial development and the people follow. More rail lines, more roads, better harbors, more tourism, etc... The Governments can afford subsidies for people to move there.
 
Rocketry may not even get off the ground without WW1 (+2) happening. All of todays rocket programs, military and civilians, go back to the German rocketry program of the 30s and 40s, which itself is merely the result of Versailles Treaty limitations and bans on artillery - it's not covered by them. And by the time they repudiated the treaty and all its lmitations von Braun had demonstrated a large rocket and had a good sales pitch to keep the funding and expand it during the war.
That was a massive amount of money, iirc as much as the Manhattan Project. That kind of money is not going to flow in a no WW timeline, it's the WWs that even opened government coffers to such large scale projects, before that taxation and spending were very low everywhere.
But you also need to consider that that's one thing that will make the space race happen in TL... Competition

The whole reason the Space Race happened isn't because people was curious and want to know what the space is.
No it's nations want to compete against each other for influence and advantage against them.
The USSR and the United States will competing against each other because of that. Whole reason why the US want to push to go into the Moon is because they be ahead of the Soviets space program achievement.

So it isn't people want to explore space and want to know what it is, no it's Nation want to be a header against each other's.


Plus there's going to be already advancement of technology before world war I so it isn't a possibility to have V2 rockets still exist in TL.
 
There would be too more old cities to see in Eastern Europe. So tourism would be still pretty advanced. Russia too would be more attractive tourist destination.
Just curious what two cities are we thinking??? guessing Budapest and Warsaw, (or Berlin)???

Agree there would be a lot of tourism, a lot of people go to Spain just for the beaches. People go to Dubrovnik, Croatia for the "Game of Thrones" theming. People find reasons to travel.
 

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Interesting concept, though I will say this: contrary to what some have speculated on here, I don't think that socio-cultural norms(be it for women's rights and civil rights, or LGBTQIA+ acceptance, etc.) necessarily would have lagged behind OTL by that much (and quite possibly, not at all overall, )for the simple reason that, IOTL, there really were a good number of missed opportunities for further progress, which probably wouldn't happen to the same extent ITTL-in fact, at least under the right circumstances, it's possible that we might see some earlier progress in at least some areas, if certain cards are played right(so, segregation ends in the '50s instead of the '60s and also, no Lavender Scare setting back LGBTQ+ rights by quite a while, just for a couple of U.S. based examples. Or, without the Nazis, assuming Magnus Hirschfeld continues his research ITTL, while his institute might have to wait a couple more decades to reach full fruition-unless the German gov't had still gone full-blown violently reactionary by then-the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, even if it were somewhat suppressed perhaps, would still exist, or at least an equivalent-barring that scenario mentioned above, in the worst case, Dr. Hirschfeld might simply have to move to France or some other country more likely not to interfere with his research. For a Middle East related divergence, how about avoiding the rise of the Al-Saud family? That could allow for Islamic fundamentalism to be less of a problem even if it doesn't eliminate it entirely.).

That said, though, I can't deny the potential drawbacks here: for one, even *Fascism might take a fair bit longer to discredit without the Nazis(and not just in Europe-here in the U.S. too, we did have some potentially fertile breeding ground for pro-fascist sentiment, perhaps especially in the South.), and there might well be a number of atrocities before it's all said and done(even if none of them quite reach the absolute horrors of the OTL Holocaust)-but at least when it does happen, it, and reactionism in general, very likely won't have a chance to make a comeback without basically a streak of bad luck almost akin to what we've had IOTL.



As Arkenfolm points out below:



This, and I'd add that the National Highway Act, contrary to what some believe, was far from just being a measure to help the military-American roads were in need of a real overhaul for some time. It's possible that fast food culture could be delayed by a few years-maybe by the early '70s at the latest but anything past 1980 would be really pushing it, TBH, unless something truly radical happens.



Suburbs(at least in a form) existed for quite a while before the '50s, though-yes, that was the decade that they really took off(and even IOTL fears of nuclear war could not be entirely dismissed as a reason-and it easily could have been far more prominent even with a rather less intense Cold War than OTL's), but that wasn't particularly inevitable and perhaps it wouldn't have been that hard to kickstart that trend a few decades earlier.



French fries were already somewhat known here in the U.S. for a time before WWI, though; it is true that the post-WWI period did see a significant surge in their popularity, but especially given how simple of a dish they are to make it'd be nearly impossible to butterfly their popularity entirely(though, to be quite fair, it's perfectly possible that their Belgian origins may perhaps be better known).

Much the same can be said of pizza: Italian-Americans were already present in fairly large numbers and Italian-American cuisine would have spread outward at some point-pizza's popularity as a fast food might be a bit delayed, too, but again, it'd be really hard to set it back more than a couple of decades at most.



It might have failed, but this could have happened even with WWI as IOTL. More likely, you'd have to make it so either the Progressives recognize it's potential drawbacks, or enough racists and anti-Progressive elements are scared off of jumping on the bandwagon themselves.



Yeah, that was just about it by the time 1905 rolled around, and I can't see any particularly plausible POD past about 1912 or so that the Empire fully survives as it previously existed.



That might happen, but is far from guaranteed, and even with a POD in 1912 it's not at all hard to see immigration being not much stricter, and in fact even without either of the world wars, immigration could have been loosened, at least in the U.S.(perhaps Canada too?)as early as about 1950, maybe even a bit earlier-I could see an alternate *Great Depression motivating restrictions if it still happens, but even with that late POD, it wouldn't necessarily be that outright explicitly prejudicial like the OTL legislation from 1924 was.
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Just curious what two cities are we thinking??? guessing Budapest and Warsaw, (or Berlin)???
Budapest and Warsaw will be good place for tourism but also cities like Kiev, St Petersburg, Moscow and other Slavic metropolitan be flooded by a tourism.

Especially you considering the strict policies of the Soviets wouldn't exist so there might be more tourism in these places
Would Fascism have existed (
Fascism only existed because of world war I, so it isn't likely to spread much further than just some extreme nationalist group like the black hundred
Agree there would be a lot of tourism, a lot of people go to Spain just for the beaches. People go to Dubrovnik, Croatia for the "Game of Thrones" theming. People find reasons to travel.
Remember the economy of Russia wouldn't be tanked by WWII, Communism and Sanctions of the West.

Those places will likely be famous for cultural religious and educational reason to go visit these places
 
But you also need to consider that that's one thing that will make the space race happen in TL... Competition

The whole reason the Space Race happened isn't because people was curious and want to know what the space is.
No it's nations want to compete against each other for influence and advantage against them.
The USSR and the United States will competing against each other because of that. Whole reason why the US want to push to go into the Moon is because they be ahead of the Soviets space program achievement.

So it isn't people want to explore space and want to know what it is, no it's Nation want to be a header against each other's.


Plus there's going to be already advancement of technology before world war I so it isn't a possibility to have V2 rockets still exist in TL.
This is pre WW1, no USSR and the USA is just some random power on the ass end of the world, far away from cultured and all important Europe. Pre WW1 is a time where there used to be fights in parliaments because someone wanted 1 more battleship than proposed. These though are vast sums of money, a few orders of magnitude more than they're used to. The fiscally conservative might just get heart attacks reading the price tags of a rocketry program.
Truth is that nations don't actually want to compete with one another because that costs a lot of money of the ruling elites who set policy. The space race was an abberation and barely lasted 10 years and nothing remained besides some space garbage and a few museum pieces. Just look at how few countries actually maintain rockets to reach space in a time where most of it is "finished science" with an affordable price tag because all the expensive experimental work has been done many decades ago.
 
This is pre WW1, no USSR and the USA is just some random power on the ass end of the world, far away from cultured and all important Europe. Pre WW1 is a time where there used to be fights in parliaments because someone wanted 1 more battleship than proposed. These though are vast sums of money, a few orders of magnitude more than they're used to. The fiscally conservative might just get heart attacks reading the price tags of a rocketry program.
Truth is that nations don't actually want to compete with one another because that costs a lot of money of the ruling elites who set policy. The space race was an abberation and barely lasted 10 years and nothing remained besides some space garbage and a few museum pieces. Just look at how few countries actually maintain rockets to reach space in a time where most of it is "finished science" with an affordable price tag because all the expensive experimental work has been done many decades ago.
This was also the era of the great world fairs and projects like the Panama Canal, Suez Canal, and the Cape-to-Cairo, Trans-Siberian, Trans-Continental, Trans-Canada and Berlin-to-Baghdad railways, so ot's not as thoigh big infrastructure projects were beyond imagining, and in this circumstance space might first be explored and utilised in the context of communications. Much as the great powers were willing to foot the bill for trans-Atlantic telegraph cables and even one under the Arafura Sea to connect Australia to the network.

In this context, together with the development of radio and powered flight, communications satelites are kind of an obvious next step. From there, spy satelites follow on pretty directly, and from that there'd be the massive prestige to be gained from getting a human up into space, and then to the Moon/other planets. And with colonialism not wholly discredited, a space race in the form of a scramble for the planets might occur. After all, as soon as the powers realise that there are valuable materials to be found on the moon and in asteroids which conveniently don't have any indigenous populations living on them to cause bad press, getting up there to claim them would be extremely attractive. And as soon as one power starts getting up there, the others are going to rush to get up there too so as not to get left out. This might even help spur decolonisation, since an interplanetary empire could well make a colonial empire on Earth irrelevant.

As to rocketry, it works on physics, and physics doesn't give a shit about human politics. But rockets aren't the only way to get things into space. You can yeet things up there with giant guns and catapults, or launch from airships, or build skyhooks, or any number of methods that have been proposed and even tried. The reason we use rockets is derived more from the world wars and cold war and the fact that rocketry already existed as a military technology and its dual use as a delivery system for nuclear weapons. Absent this, other methods may well be tried sooner and simultaneously, in constant competition.
 
What I see is that without a First World War, the West will have a vision of continuity from the Congress of Vienna to this part. There will be no small 20th century, and we will surely see an expansion of the congress system to include the United States.

At some point, a commonwealth system of Western nations designed to maintain control over their colonies could crystallize de iure. The Ottoman empire will surely be partitioned at some point with a new congress.

Germany is surely eager to imitate Great Britain and have her own colonies of settlers. The only place to do this is Namibia, hopefully perhaps a jointly sponsored Yiddish Israel with Austria and Britain.
 
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