Confederate colonialism?

[Elfwine]

What a terribly self-destructive thing to do, even looking without hindsight.

It's just...making enemies they didn't need to make, and making the situation one that had to be fought out when it could have been treated as "Them abolitionists are sure crazy, right guys?" for longer.

 

[The Uchronian]

It's just...making enemies they didn't need to make, and making the situation one that had to be fought out when it could have been treated as "Them abolitionists are sure crazy, right guys?" for longer.

Yet another thing that reminds me of DoD.

 

[Wolfpaw]

What a terribly self-destructive thing to do, even looking without hindsight.

It's just...making enemies they didn't need to make, and making the situation one that had to be fought out when it could have been treated as "Them abolitionists are sure crazy, right guys?" for longer.

It actually makes perfect sense, in a fucked up sorta way.

Notice the "for longer" factor. The Fire-Eaters were asshats, but they weren't (completely) stupid. They knew that sooner or later the abolitionists were going to get the upper hand in the US and Slavery would start to come under overwhelming attack politically and economically.

So why wait for the North to get stronger? The sooner the South tries to break, the better their chances for success. Even the wackjobs who wound up running Richmond knew that.

 

[Elfwine]

It actually makes perfect sense, in a fucked up sorta way.

Notice the "for longer" factor. The Fire-Eaters were asshats, but they weren't (completely) stupid. They knew that sooner or later the abolitionists were going to get the upper hand in the US and Slavery would start to come under overwhelming attack politically and economically.

So why wait for the North to get stronger? The sooner the South tries to break, the better their chances for success. Even the wackjobs who wound up running Richmond knew that.

I suppose if you really think you can cling to slavery 4evar (this way), but . . .

Definitely complete asshattery.

 

[Johnrankins]

I suppose if you really think you can cling to slavery 4evar (this way)

They did, in fact many thought that Europe would eventually realize that Abolitionism was wrong and reintroduce slavery!

 

[Elfwine]

They did, in fact many thought that Europe would eventually realize that Abolitionism was wrong and reintroduce slavery!

Now this is going into flat out loony land.

 

[Johnrankins]

Now this is going into flat out loony land.

It's true, and it shows you how loony it got down there.

 

[Wolfpaw]

Now this is going into flat out loony land.

So is going to war with a country over twice your size, all while trying to hold down 1/3 of your own population, but that didn't stop anyone.

 

[Elfwine]

So is going to war with a country over twice your size, all while trying to hold down 1/3 of your own population, but that didn't stop anyone.

More than a third, counting Southern unionists.

But there's wishful thinking and then there's just plain gibbering madness.

 

[Johnrankins]

More than a third, counting Southern unionists.

But there's wishful thinking and then there's just plain gibbering madness.

No less an influence than DeBows Review was printing articles that were stating just that. You have to remember most Southerners at the time thought slavery was MORAL. That it was the highest good of the slave himself as without the civilizing influence of slavery he would just run wild raping and pillaging.

 

[Elfwine]

No less an influence than DeBows Review was printing articles that were stating just that. You have to remember most Southerners at the time thought slavery was MORAL. That it was the highest good of the slave himself as without the civilizing influence of slavery he would just run wild raping and pillaging.

Yeah, but even with that idea - which I'm trying not to imagine how anyone took seriously (just woke up from a nap) - they acted like . . . let's just say that they were full of it. "It" can mean a lot of things.

Which raises the question. How is victory not going to make this even worse? We know they can't do anything in Mexico or the Caribbean besides lose, do they?

 

[Johnrankins]

Yeah, but even with that idea - which I'm trying not to imagine how anyone took seriously (just woke up from a nap) - they acted like . . . let's just say that they were full of it. "It" can mean a lot of things.

Which raises the question. How is victory not going to make this even worse? We know they can't do anything in Mexico or the Caribbean besides lose, do they?

No, they just whipped the Yanks no doubt they can whip a dozen or so lowly Mexicans or Blacks! The one thing that will stop them from trying is money. They flat don't have the money to go conquering for at least a generation or two. They would spend the next 20 or so years rebuilding the South, repaying the debt and paying for the massive army it needs to guard the northern and western borders. They will need at least 75,000 men for that alone.