This is a future history created by the science fiction author Jerry Pournelle. Works have been published by Pournelle and/or collaborators that range from the late 21st to the 31st Century. The CoDominium is an alliance between the United States and a re-established Soviet Union which imposed world peace. An interstellar drive is discovered which allowed colonies to be established by the CoDominium on planets around other stars. The time period of the CoDominium is from about 2010 to its collapse in 2103.

Your mission should you decide to attempt, is to reinvent and the ATL of the Jerry Pournelle franchise, which has humanity proceeding into interstellar space. As such, what are some PODs that could be added into the ATL.

1863:
French Foreign Legion defeated by Mexico at Camerone.

1914 to 1918: First World War.

1939 to 1945: Second World War.

1946: First Cold War between the USA and the USSR begins.

1969Apollo XI lands on Earth's moon.

1970-71: Beginnings of detente between the USA and the USSR.

1979: Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Beginning of Second Cold War.

1991: Hard-line Communist coup fails. Gorbachev deposed. End of the USSR; Yeltsin leader of the Russian Republic. Many of the "republics" within the USSR declare themselves independent, leading to what the 21st-century USSR will remember as "the Dark 90s".

Mid-1990's: Economic hardship leads to political and military coups in Russia. Rebirth of the USSR (probably including the re-absorption of the break-away republics). Third Cold War begins.

1998: Riot Act passed in the USA: police given broad powers to quell disturbances.

By the year 2000The USA and USSR combine to form the CoDominium. In a series of treaties, the two super-powers create a supra-national entity, known as the "CoDominium" or "CD". The United States and the Soviet Union surrender control of their foreign policy to the CD, while retaining separate control over their domestic affairs. This alliance ends the Third Cold War, and allows the USA and the USSR to jointly dominate Earth, curtailing the power of the "non-aligned nations". The CD enforces a ban on military research and development and curtails the spread of nuclear weapons throughout the globe. Nationalist sentiment in the rest of the world is naturally resentful of the CD, but most countries quickly realize that the superpower alliance is too strong for any serious resistance to be possible.

1996The French Foreign Legion (Légion Étrangère) chooses to join with the CoDominium, forming the nucleus of the new CoDominium Armed Services.

By the year 2000:
Other mercenary units, including the Cossack Adventurers and the Cameron Highlanders, are later absorbed into the CD Armed Services.

1998"The Lost and the Founder" (WWCD 1-6 = WWI[2nd] 29-32 = WWD 13-16).
Garner "Bill" Castell founds the Church of New Universal Harmony.

Early 2000s?: A portion of of northern Mexico is annexed to the USA, either by force or by a political deal. This region is admitted to the Union as six states.

2004: Charles Castell, son of Garner "Bill" Castell, is born.

Between 2004 and 2008: Scientists at Caltech develop the Alderson Drive. This interstellar space drive is based on the discovery that instantaneous travel is possible between any two "adjacent" stars, if a ship is located at the correct "Alderson Point". Thus the problem of travel between star systems is reduced to the problem of travel within star systems.

2005Maitreya born in Tibet.

2006: Ban on military research expands to a ban on some quasi-military research.

2008First exploratory ships leave the solar system.

2009: Last Arab-Israeli War. Israel defeats the Greater Syrian Republic. Much of Syria's territory is annexed and becomes "Northern Israel". After this conflict, the CoDominium forbids all national wars. After this, there will be almost a century in which the CD prevents major wars from breaking out on Earth, although local conflicts will occasionally arise.

2010: CoDominium Intelligence Services engage in serious effort to suppress all research into technologies with military applications. "Green" and "Zero-Growth" organizations endorse this ban. Scientific publications are censored, and all scientists must be licensed by the CD (even those not in the USA or the USSR). Within a few decades, most scientific research comes to a halt, and computer databases of scientific information are deliberately corrupted with false data. (Medical research is not restricted, however.)

2010Discovery of inhabitable planets outside the solar system. The first "Grand Survey" turns up a number of pleasant planets. (The planet later known as "Sparta" is discovered by the CDESS Lewis and Clark in 2010.) Beginnings of commercial exploitation. Some not-so-inhabitable planets are seeded with terraforming packages.

2014/15: John Rogers Grant, Sr., born. (His brother, Martin Grant, may be older or younger.)

2016: During the Second National Geographic Survey of extra-solar planets, Boyd Upchurch discovers the planet that will subsequently be settled and named "Churchill".

2015 or 2020: First interstellar colonies are founded.

2020: The CoDominium Space Navy and Marines – the "Fleet" – is created. It absorbs the original CD Armed Services.

2020: The "Great Exodus" begins. Many interstellar colonies are founded. All are to some degree under the CD's authority. Many are specifically American or Soviet colonies, including Tabletop and Stalin. Some of the most pleasant colonies are sponsored by Earth nations: Meiji (Japan), Xanadu and High Cathay (China), Churchill (Britain), Friedland (West Germany), Dayan (Israel), and Levant (unspecified Arab nations). A significant number of American colonies are founded by religious separatists, ethnic separatists, pioneers, or Greens. In addition, large corporations sponsor mining colonies on unpleasant mineral-rich planets.

Around the year 2020: Reunification of Christianity by Pope John XXVI. (Some churches do not participate in this reunion, including some traditionalist Catholics from Spain who emigrate to Santiago on Thurstone, and some Presbyterians who settle on Covenant.)

2020/21: The U.S. Government begins gathering the jobless in the inner cities and relocating them to "Welfare Islands": government-funded neighborhoods which keep them far from the "law-abiding taxpayers". These people are given the prestigious title of "Citizen", and granted the right to live on Welfare indefinitely. They may leave and acquire "taxpayer" status by work and education, or they may volunteer to settle on other planets, but most simply remain in the Welfare Islands.

Early 2020sThurstone: The continent of Santiago is settled by the Third Thurstone Expedition. The settlers are malcontents from Spain, led by Carlists loyal to King Carlos XII, and Catholic traditionalists who reject the reunified Church of Pope John XXVI. Earlier settlements on this planet (including New Aberdeen) have already occupied the best land, so Santiago is established in a less desirable location.
 

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This is a future history created by the science fiction author Jerry Pournelle. Works have been published by Pournelle and/or collaborators that range from the late 21st to the 31st Century. The CoDominium is an alliance between the United States and a re-established Soviet Union which imposed world peace. An interstellar drive is discovered which allowed colonies to be established by the CoDominium on planets around other stars. The time period of the CoDominium is from about 2010 to its collapse in 2103.

Your mission should you decide to attempt, is to reinvent and the ATL of the Jerry Pournelle franchise, which has humanity proceeding into interstellar space. As such, what are some PODs that could be added into the ATL.

1863:
French Foreign Legion defeated by Mexico at Camerone.

1914 to 1918: First World War.

1939 to 1945: Second World War.

1946: First Cold War between the USA and the USSR begins.

1969Apollo XI lands on Earth's moon.

1970-71: Beginnings of detente between the USA and the USSR.

1979: Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Beginning of Second Cold War.

1991: Hard-line Communist coup fails. Gorbachev deposed. End of the USSR; Yeltsin leader of the Russian Republic. Many of the "republics" within the USSR declare themselves independent, leading to what the 21st-century USSR will remember as "the Dark 90s".

Mid-1990's: Economic hardship leads to political and military coups in Russia. Rebirth of the USSR (probably including the re-absorption of the break-away republics). Third Cold War begins.

1998: Riot Act passed in the USA: police given broad powers to quell disturbances.

By the year 2000The USA and USSR combine to form the CoDominium. In a series of treaties, the two super-powers create a supra-national entity, known as the "CoDominium" or "CD". The United States and the Soviet Union surrender control of their foreign policy to the CD, while retaining separate control over their domestic affairs. This alliance ends the Third Cold War, and allows the USA and the USSR to jointly dominate Earth, curtailing the power of the "non-aligned nations". The CD enforces a ban on military research and development and curtails the spread of nuclear weapons throughout the globe. Nationalist sentiment in the rest of the world is naturally resentful of the CD, but most countries quickly realize that the superpower alliance is too strong for any serious resistance to be possible.

1996The French Foreign Legion (Légion Étrangère) chooses to join with the CoDominium, forming the nucleus of the new CoDominium Armed Services.

By the year 2000:
Other mercenary units, including the Cossack Adventurers and the Cameron Highlanders, are later absorbed into the CD Armed Services.

1998"The Lost and the Founder" (WWCD 1-6 = WWI[2nd] 29-32 = WWD 13-16).
Garner "Bill" Castell founds the Church of New Universal Harmony.

Early 2000s?: A portion of of northern Mexico is annexed to the USA, either by force or by a political deal. This region is admitted to the Union as six states.

2004: Charles Castell, son of Garner "Bill" Castell, is born.

Between 2004 and 2008: Scientists at Caltech develop the Alderson Drive. This interstellar space drive is based on the discovery that instantaneous travel is possible between any two "adjacent" stars, if a ship is located at the correct "Alderson Point". Thus the problem of travel between star systems is reduced to the problem of travel within star systems.

2005Maitreya born in Tibet.

2006: Ban on military research expands to a ban on some quasi-military research.

2008First exploratory ships leave the solar system.

2009: Last Arab-Israeli War. Israel defeats the Greater Syrian Republic. Much of Syria's territory is annexed and becomes "Northern Israel". After this conflict, the CoDominium forbids all national wars. After this, there will be almost a century in which the CD prevents major wars from breaking out on Earth, although local conflicts will occasionally arise.

2010: CoDominium Intelligence Services engage in serious effort to suppress all research into technologies with military applications. "Green" and "Zero-Growth" organizations endorse this ban. Scientific publications are censored, and all scientists must be licensed by the CD (even those not in the USA or the USSR). Within a few decades, most scientific research comes to a halt, and computer databases of scientific information are deliberately corrupted with false data. (Medical research is not restricted, however.)

2010Discovery of inhabitable planets outside the solar system. The first "Grand Survey" turns up a number of pleasant planets. (The planet later known as "Sparta" is discovered by the CDESS Lewis and Clark in 2010.) Beginnings of commercial exploitation. Some not-so-inhabitable planets are seeded with terraforming packages.

2014/15: John Rogers Grant, Sr., born. (His brother, Martin Grant, may be older or younger.)

2016: During the Second National Geographic Survey of extra-solar planets, Boyd Upchurch discovers the planet that will subsequently be settled and named "Churchill".

2015 or 2020: First interstellar colonies are founded.

2020: The CoDominium Space Navy and Marines – the "Fleet" – is created. It absorbs the original CD Armed Services.

2020: The "Great Exodus" begins. Many interstellar colonies are founded. All are to some degree under the CD's authority. Many are specifically American or Soviet colonies, including Tabletop and Stalin. Some of the most pleasant colonies are sponsored by Earth nations: Meiji (Japan), Xanadu and High Cathay (China), Churchill (Britain), Friedland (West Germany), Dayan (Israel), and Levant (unspecified Arab nations). A significant number of American colonies are founded by religious separatists, ethnic separatists, pioneers, or Greens. In addition, large corporations sponsor mining colonies on unpleasant mineral-rich planets.

Around the year 2020: Reunification of Christianity by Pope John XXVI. (Some churches do not participate in this reunion, including some traditionalist Catholics from Spain who emigrate to Santiago on Thurstone, and some Presbyterians who settle on Covenant.)

2020/21: The U.S. Government begins gathering the jobless in the inner cities and relocating them to "Welfare Islands": government-funded neighborhoods which keep them far from the "law-abiding taxpayers". These people are given the prestigious title of "Citizen", and granted the right to live on Welfare indefinitely. They may leave and acquire "taxpayer" status by work and education, or they may volunteer to settle on other planets, but most simply remain in the Welfare Islands.

Early 2020sThurstone: The continent of Santiago is settled by the Third Thurstone Expedition. The settlers are malcontents from Spain, led by Carlists loyal to King Carlos XII, and Catholic traditionalists who reject the reunified Church of Pope John XXVI. Earlier settlements on this planet (including New Aberdeen) have already occupied the best land, so Santiago is established in a less desirable location.
The one area I could see is that a reimagined CD would be a US/NATO/China organisation. Especially with what we’re seeing today re Russia. The US would definitely be dominant NATO would also fit.
 
The one area I could see is that a reimagined CD would be a US/NATO/China organisation. Especially with what we’re seeing today re Russia. The US would definitely be dominant NATO would also fit.
With that, the ATL can easily resemble Firefly/ Serenity...
 
Not really sure what you are trying to achieve but you can't have the collapse in 91 and then the CoDominion following 9 years later.

I would have Gorbachev agreeing to support the US in a military action in Kuwait / Iraq in August 1990 which effectively bypasses the need for the grand coalition replacing it with the duopoly of USA/USSR. In return the US agrees to "turn a blind eye" to Soviet influence in Afghanistan which postpones the fall of Najibullah's regime as US and Pakistan support to the rebels is drastically reduced.

After Kuwait / Iraq increasing Iranian sponsored attacks by militia in Iraq against USSR and USA troops leads to an escalating tension between the superpowers and Iran culminating in the deposing of Khameni and two occupation zones in Iran, Soviet backed in the North and American backed in the South.

Essentially USA decides to bankroll Gorbachev in return for controlling the Middle East - the Soviets stave off collapse on the back of the higher oil prices and the "successful" wars underpin Gorbachevs support by hardliners at home.

CoDominion is born. Probably also needs Clinton to be caught playing away from home before the 1993 election to give Bush Senior a second term.
 
If the northern portion of Mexico is being annexed into the United States in the early 2000s seems to imply that military action must have happened in the 1990s. I am guessing that the 1994 Zapatista Uprising in Chiapas may have taken place in the timeline, as well as the Mexican bailout of 1995. This would seem to imply that the president was certainly not Bill Clinton, and probably not George H.W. Bush.

In regards to the U.S. President, I am going to nominate Lyndon LaRouche, who throughout the 1970s/ 1980s, campaigned on a platform that would be considered platform, and called for a political alliance with the Soviet Union (including building a massive "Peace Bridge" between Alaska and Russia) and the People's Republic of China, with plans for Mongolia to be seen as an Asian version of Switzerland. My guess is that in the ATL, La Rouche would be seen as one of the "Founding Fathers" of the CoDominium,...
 
Perhaps a revised historical backstory for the CoDominium would be something along the lines of Fear, Loathing, and Gumbo: a world which sees a worse 1970s than in our world rooted in multiple crises and disasters in different countries, which both the USA and USSR initially struggle to contain.

Unlike in Fear, Loathing, and Gumbo, the outcome for a CoDominium-style world would be the USA and USSR finding themselves cooperating more and more often in the alternate and dystopian, crisis-ridden 1970s and 1980s. The USSR would somehow have to reform itself economically without disintegrating politically in order for a truly effective super-alliance with its former foe.

I can’t really imagine a US-USSR alliance rooted in some kind of super-detente cooperating to suppress technological development, as I believe happens in the original series, though I could imagine the alliance attempting to make itself the gatekeeper to space exploration and colonization.

If a CoDominium style alliance is rooted in a more dystopian 1970s/1980s compared to our world, perhaps the alliance’s leaders would attempt to end, or at least freeze, as many conflicts as possible. A joint military force between the USA and USSR might be some kind of peacekeeping force that attempts to “end all wars.”

If the goal of this setting is still rooted in science fiction, then it could be a way to set up a future interstellar entity in which many planets are descended either from US or Soviet settlers, with other worlds claimed by individual CD-aligned nations, CD-backed mega corporations, or inhabited by involuntary settlers.
 
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I would note that Donald Trump went on the record at least as far back as 1987 saying that the US and the USSR should unite to dominate the rest of the world.


Faced with a world where the two superpowers are radially declining, between phenomena like western European integration, the boom of Japan, and the development of the Third World, a strategy to hold back the tides of change might well be popular with some.
 
Perhaps a revised historical backstory for the CoDominium would be something along the lines of Fear, Loathing, and Gumbo:a world which sees a worse 1970s than in our world rooted in multiple crises and disasters in different countries, which both the USA and USSR initially struggle to maintain.

Unlike in Fear, Loathing, and Gumbo, the outcome for a CoDominium-style world would be the USA and USSR finding themselves cooperating more and more often in the alternate and dystopian, crisis-ridden 1970s and 1980s. The USSR would somehow have to reform itself economically without disintegrating politically in order for a truly effective super-alliance with its former foe.

I can’t really imagine a US-USSR alliance rooted in some kind of super-detente cooperating to suppress technological development, as I believe happens in the original series, though I could imagine the alliance attempting to make itself the gatekeeper to space exploration and colonization.

If a CoDominium style alliance is rooted in a more dystopian 1970s/1980s compared to our world, perhaps the alliance’s leaders would attempt to end, or at least freeze, as many conflicts as possible. A joint military force between the USA and USSR might be some kind of peacekeeping force that attempts to “end all wars.”

If the goal of this setting is still rooted in science fiction, then it could be a way to set up a future interstellar entity in which many planets are descended either from US or Soviet settlers, with other worlds claimed by individual CD-aligned nations, CD-backed mega corporations, or inhabited by involuntary settlers.
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I would note that Donald Trump went on the record at least as far back as 1987 saying that the US and the USSR should unite to dominate the rest of the world.


Faced with a world where the two superpowers are radially declining, between phenomena like western European integration, the boom of Japan, and the development of the Third World, a strategy to hold back the tides of change might well be popular with some.

I can certainly run with it. I can imagine Lyndon Larouche being an authoritarian president in the 1976-1980s, going for 3-4 terms, in an effort to overshadow FDR. With Donald Trump added to the ticket in the 1980s, in an effort to garner more of the youth vote...

In the meantime, the American CD colonists will most likely be similar to the militia movement of OTL.
 
I suspect that a USA in TTL, as with Fear, Loathing, and Gumbo, would be a world in which the two party system disintegrates into feuding ideological factions: the end result is a Democratic-Republican “Realist” party that works to pursue detente with the USSR in the name of restoring order to the world.
 
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The huge problem with the CD timeline is the tech. Even if you assume Alderson drives actually exist and that fusion drives can be made, the costs of such a huge expansion will be very notable. It might be enough to beggar the Earth.
 
The one area I could see is that a reimagined CD would be a US/NATO/China organisation. Especially with what we’re seeing today re Russia. The US would definitely be dominant NATO would also fit.

A Sino-American duopoly on power, with NATO etc backing up the US, would make much more sense. Russia as it now exists is simply not a peer to either the US or China.
 
A Sino-American duopoly on power, with NATO etc backing up the US, would make much more sense. Russia as it now exists is simply not a peer to either the US or China.
It also allows the Co-dominium to exist along the lines of being an economic marketplace as well as political alliance. In the meantime, consider that the colonies are going to be a means to exile various groups outside the solar system. Should the presence of extraterrestrials cause some of the changes in the ATL?
 
It also allows the Co-dominium to exist along the lines of being an economic marketplace as well as political alliance. In the meantime, consider that the colonies are going to be a means to exile various groups outside the solar system. Should the presence of extraterrestrials cause some of the changes in the ATL?

I am not sure what sort of impact they would have.
 
I am not sure what sort of impact they would have.
In the books, it has a profound effect that it causes the Reunification of the Roman Catholic Church and Orthodox Church, in 2020, which hasn't been in place since the 6th century. Second, consider that the only technology to get to other star systems is under the control of a political alliance that controls the entire globe. Third, the fact the alien races in the series are far advanced from humanity, would certainly be intimidating.
 

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With that, the ATL can easily resemble Firefly/ Serenity...
Not that familiar with Firefly. I do see the suppression of science being something a stronger green movement would get behind, as well as giving a philosophical support.
sadly I’d also see the forcible migrations and cultural suppression of the CD being extremely likely ittl as in the original.
In the books, it has a profound effect that it causes the Reunification of the Roman Catholic Church and Orthodox Church, in 2020, which hasn't been in place since the 6th century. Second, consider that the only technology to get to other star systems is under the control of a political alliance that controls the entire globe. Third, the fact the alien races in the series are far advanced from humanity, would certainly be intimidating.
the only aliens are the moties. And they don’t turn up until the second empire ?
 
What do you say about the idea of a Co-Dominium arising from mutual threats to both the US and the Soviets like a Maoist China which went "Large Economy NK" under Lin Biao or Jiang Qing instead of deciding "To Get Rich is Glorious" and a Western Europe gone neo-fascist with the Co-Dominium's takeover being a result of them being the winners of WW3?
 
Not that familiar with Firefly. I do see the suppression of science being something a stronger green movement would get behind, as well as giving a philosophical support.
sadly I’d also see the forcible migrations and cultural suppression of the CD being extremely likely ittl as in the original.

the only aliens are the moties. And they don’t turn up until the second empire ?
Then again, I was also thinking much like the J.J. Abrams-verse of Star Trek, something like the Sauron Supermen or Moties could be used as a major POD, allowing us leeway if we make any "unforgivable changes to canon",....
 
What do you say about the idea of a Co-Dominium arising from mutual threats to both the US and the Soviets like a Maoist China which went "Large Economy NK" under Lin Biao or Jiang Qing instead of deciding "To Get Rich is Glorious" and a Western Europe gone neo-fascist with the Co-Dominium's takeover being a result of them being the winners of WW3?
Well, I am more apt to run with a U.S./Chinese market alliance at this point to explain the Co-Dominium at this point, but possibly the Soviets become a second-rate power, after a border war/ military incident, with the U.S. and NATO serving as the primary group in charge. Either way, it looks like we have Lyndon Larouche and Donald Trump as U.S. Presidents...
 

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Then again, I was also thinking much like the J.J. Abrams-verse of Star Trek, something like the Sauron Supermen or Moties could be used as a major POD, allowing us leeway if we make any "unforgivable changes to canon",....
Touching on current affairs but a revanchist Russia could easily be the start point for the saurons ittl. Also you could actually see colonisation being restricted to only the “good” peoples of the CD ie aiming for a Han & anglosphere galaxy! Please note this isn’t a positive thing but fits the dystopia of the CD. Also This could well be the trigger for ttl final war as competing suppressed nations revolt.
 
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