Chrononauts - The Flip Side

Also, we can put references to time travel actors and writers in the lists of presidents, and prime ministers. And I think we can change the terms from fixed 4-year terms to variable terms like OTL prime ministers have.

I forgot to comment on this one earlier. Yes, let's make the US government as parliamentary as we can, without contradicting anything we've already written. I regret making the government look this much like OTL, although some of it was required.

I just reread the post I wrote about the amendments, and I see there's nothing there specifying presidentail elections having every four years. Maybe the president has the power to dissolve Congress and call for an election whenever he or she thinks it's helpful. All the presidential elections we know about so far happened in years that are multiples of four 1800, 1864, 1948, 1968, 2000, 2004, and 2008. Either that's just chance, or there's also a law in place ensuring that election will happen in the next year that's also a multiple of four.

OK. I thought you wanted the party system to be the same, much like how you wanted the system of government to gradually look like OTL. Off the top of my head, there could be a new Whig party. There could have been a prohibition party for a while.

We know the CSA had a variety of Whiggish parties that eventually coalesced into the Conservative Party, and that Alf Taylor was a Whig wannabe. I can see the Whig brand being helpful in uniting northern and southern political parties when Reunification happens. There definitely was a Prohibition Party in the Confederacy, and alcohol was prohibited in the entire south. There was prohibition in some parts of the U.S. in the 1920s, possibly just the south.

The biggest party in the Confederacy were the Democrats and the Conservatives. Many decades later, Nixon was competing against Democrats, who were starting to get Southern Negro votes. I like to think that Nixon's cooperation with Martin Luther King radically changed his party.

Famous party names that are possible: Liberal, Labor, Left, Right, Progressive, Socialist, Union, Green, Reform, Independence, Libertarian, Workers, Farm and Labor, Reform, Green, Popular, Populist, People's.

I'd like to see a Looney Labs in this timeline, and Looney living in a diner for a while.

Yes! He'd have a cool life story.
 
I like Union and Reform.

Do you mean you would like these to be the two biggest contemporary political parties? I suppose we should figure out in broad strokes what the political parties were over time. A Union party could easily be founded around the time of either of the Wars between the States. Did the Republican party collapse immediately after the Succession War? Was there a Teddy Roosevelt third-party movement? Were there ever socialists? Was there a party split or realignment in response to Nixon's alternative Southern Strategy?

Chuck Norris is also a fine president. He doesn't fit the lefty lean I was envisioning for this timeline, but then again, neither do the Bushes or Palin, who are canon.

I'm thinking Looney would be a great president. I'd want to keep his politics close to his OTL ones out of respect. What would you think of him being a billionaire who made a lot of lot of money off the stock market, stayed in a diner for years, and then founded tech giant Looney Labs? Maybe we could have him win in 2016 as an contrast to the billionaire who won in OTL. Or we could stick him in the '90s.

Other presidents: I think Robert Kennedy is an obvious choice for the late '70s. We might be able to have Geraldine Ferrara come after a Mondale death. The timeline says Palin is the first woman to be elected president, but it doesn't say she's the first female to become president. But part of me feels like we have too many presidents serving incomplete terms. I'd like a liberal woman to be president for a full term in the near future: Jill Stein or Elizabeth Warren or both.

I considered Robert Taft in the '50s to show a more isolationist policy than Eisenhower. He died of natural causes at an inconvenient time.

Could we have a semi-Fascist Charles Lindberg as president in the '40s, a la Plot Against America by Philip Roth? I like that book a lot.

I want Bill Clinton to run for president, but to be laughed off by one of his competitors (his party or another) for not even inhaling! I wish Gary Johnson were an option in that era.

I could accept John Glenn as a president. He fits Andy Looney's pro-space vision, but not the pro-marijuana vision. He's also old enough that he could choose to step down after only one term. Wellstone could also be president in the late '90s, and step down for health problems, but if we're gonna have a president Wellstone, it might be cleaner to have his OTL accidental death.

This timeline has a link between the Titanic and the stock market. Maybe we can have a Titanic survivor serve as president who passes policies that avert the depression. I wrote down George Widener and Harry Widener as options, depending on the year.

Will Smith is in politics too. I don't know what his career entails. Maybe a presidential bid sometime down the line?
 
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Andy Looney was born in 1963. According to the OTL constitution, Looney was too young to be president until 1998. We don't have a defined age laws in this timeline, but it would be reasonable to postpone his presidency until later.
 
All those presidents sound good to me. And I just meant Union and Reform are good party names. However, that's a good reason to make them the main two parties.
 
And I think we can change the terms from fixed 4-year terms to variable terms like OTL prime ministers have.

What kind of government would have presidential terms of variable lengths, but fit the fact that all the presidential elections we've mentioned so far are in November of years that are multiples of 4?

Maybe the law says you can't go more than four years without an election (maybe resetting the count if a president dies). That means that there would often be four years between elections, but sometimes a president will call an election earlier if it looks advantageous. There can be long stretches when elections happen in years that aren't multiples of four. If presidential elections are required to happen in November, that leaves some structure that keeps things from drifting too weirdly.

Do you (any of you readers) have other thoughts on a term system?
 
Very few of those presidential elections were actually mentioned in the game.

That's true. I'll happily retcon any election dates that only came up in my summary post, and I'll edit that post for that. I think that if a date was stated definitively in another post in this thread, I don't want to go back and change it. Then I'll post what the firmly established election dates were, and what presidents there have been when.

What do you think we should use as rules for an election schedule?

I don't think we have anything that mentions the schedule of Congressional elections. I don't remember what the OTL Articles of Confederation say about the matter, but we can probably have them have the same terms as the presidents. I'll double check this thread, though.
 
I made a more careful look at the dates we've actually established. If a date was only mentioned in the summary post, I changed the summary post to be vaguer. I also went back to the post where I mentioned David Crockett's (re)election, and removed the date from it.

I added in the presidents suggested by Brady Kj, and the ones suggested by me that I'm most confident about.

Color denotes OTL parties, but things might be different in this timeline. Red means Democrat, blue means Republican, orange means Whig, and black means other or unknown. Parties can be different in this timeline. In this timeline, we've established that Clay and Crockett are Whigs, Democrats exist around the 1960s, and Republicans exist in 1868.

Known Presidents of the United States in Congress Assembled
Beginning of count to – 1791: This is before the Articles of Confederation were amended, so most presidents served one-year terms. There are a few possible ways to consider the start, too.
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1801? - 1804 July 11: Disputed between Jefferson and Burr ever since 1800 election
1804 July 11 - ?: Undisputedly Jefferson after Burr's death
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? including 1838: Henry Clay
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? - 1841 April 4: William Henry Harrison
1841 April 4 - ?: Davy Crockett, after Harrison's death. Re-elected
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? by 1861 Apr 28 - ? at least 1868 Feb 24: Lincoln, including re-election 1864 Nov
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? including 1881 Sep 19: Garfield
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? by 1916 Jun 15 - ? at east 1917: Wilson
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?: Possibly George or Harry Widener
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? including 1933: Possibly FDR
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?: Charles Lindbergh
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1948 Nov 3: Dewey defeats Truman.
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? including 1958 Jul 29: VP is Nixon
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? by 1962 Oct 22 - ? at least 1968 Mar 22: John F Kennedy, including a reelection
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? by 1972 Jun 20 - 1974 Aug 9: Nixon
1974 Aug 9 - ?: Martin Luther King after Nixon resigned, with no re-election
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?: Possibly Robert Kennedy
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? to 1981 Mar 30: Reagan / Bush
1981 Mar 30 - ?: Bush, after Reagan died. No re-election
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? including 1986 Apr 20: Walter Mondale
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?: Possibly Chuck Norris
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? by 1999 May 29 - ? at least 2000 Oct 17: VP is Gore
2001? - 2009?: Gore / Lieberman, elected 2000 Nov against George W Bush, re-elected 2004 against McCain/E. Dole
2009? - 2009 July 26: Palin / Sean Parnell elected 2008 Nov 4 against Lieberman
2009 July 26 - ?: Parnell after Palin resigned
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?: Possibly Andy Looney
 
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