It’s definitely not like TL-191 where the Union hates blacks following the War and Native Americans are driven to extinction for all that we know. However, the Indian Wars and the Chinese Exclusion Act aren’t butterflied away and while blacks do receive their civil rights, it’s somewhat delayed thanks to the Democrats stronghold on power for about a decade. And with the Democrats back in power, expect some of that progress to be undone. And also, much as OTL, expect scientific racism to be on the rise on both sides of the Mason-Dixon Line by the turn of the century. Expect the massive wave of immigration to be somewhat different too.I do think that the US becoming more left-wing/progressive than IOTL is the most probable and natural outcome: it would have all the necessary factors for such thing to happen: high level of industrialization, high level of education, large urban working class, an even stronger democratic tradition (without the whole slavery baggage), and more homogenous population (which means far far less racial tension).
InterestingSpoiler for next update:Confederate Mormons
It's going to go hand in hand with the annexation of the Mexican territories. How the two will connect directly, you will have to wait and see.Interesting
Isnt Max a Liberal and he is even hated by his conservative allies for having liberal policies.Profirio Diaz voted out as Prime MInister of Mexico in October, six months after British elections see Edward Gladstone displace Benjamin Disraeli as British Prime Minister. Conservatives once more control parliament, reducing tensions between Maximilian and the government. Government of British Cape Colony sets deadline for the Basuto people to surrender their weapons to the government. Basuto do not comply, leading to non-compliance leads to the Basuto Gun War. British led by General Frederick Roberts defeat Afghan troops under Mohammad Ayub Khan at Battle of Kandahar on September 1, bringing an end to the Anglo-Afghan War war starting two years earlier. Anglo-Boer War (Trasnsvaal Rebellion) begins in December and continues into 1881.
I will look into that more.Isnt Max a Liberal and he is even hated by his conservative allies for having liberal policies.
After the boss Tweed Scandal, things had only really began to thaw between the USA and CSA so they weren’t too close before 1884 or so. And the big reason for the boycott was that even though Mexico was technically a CSA ally, the USA saw it as a violation of Mexican sovereignty and re-introducing slavery to a society that had already abolished slavery. And keep in mind it wasn’t just the USA placing a boycott on the CSA but the British did as well. To me this was the only appropriate punishment the US could give the CS over this because starting a war like in TL-191 seems incredibly stupid.Have to wonder why, after the Boss Tweed episode, which looked for a time like it would normalize relations between the US and CS, would the US suddenly oppose the legal-if dubious-purchase of the northern Mexican states by the CS. I would assume that because of the fact the CS won their independence mainly because of European intervention (along with the exhaustion both main parties were feeling), the Monroe Doctrine had essentially been killed stone-dead.
Assuming down the road the US annexes Hawaii, how would that be any different than what the CS did with Mexico?
Those are the only questions I have. Honestly, I loved reading your alternate history thus far and am looking forward to more
Ahh okayAfter the boss Tweed Scandal, things had only really began to thaw between the USA and CSA so they weren’t too close before 1884 or so. And the big reason for the boycott was that even though Mexico was technically a CSA ally, the USA saw it as a violation of Mexican sovereignty and re-introducing slavery to a society that had already abolished slavery. And keep in mind it wasn’t just the USA placing a boycott on the CSA but the British did as well. To me this was the only appropriate punishment the US could give the CS over this because starting a war like in TL-191 seems incredibly stupid.
As far as Hawaii goes, I guess it’s because it technically wasn’t “Europeanized” the same way Mexico was when it was annexed. Mexico was already a colony and gained independence, after which it abolished slavery. Hawaii wasn’t exactly in the same position yet.
Admittedly it's kind of cliche that the USA and CSA always end up on opposite sides of every conflict because of plot convenience, and while it will remain that way most likely up through the equivalent of WW1, I will have things change most likely so that they end up on the same side in TTL's WW2. But it's still a bit too soon to tell.Ahh okay
That makes more sense, and you're right, Britain also had boycotted the CS
It will be interesting to see what might happen that brings a complete warming of US-CS relations as honestly, every CS alternate history I've seen always ends....well, badly.
Yeah, that's something I have not seen most TLs do.That would be interesting to have them on opposite sides in WWI yet they fight on the same side in WW2