Best Case Scenario for Poland during the Polish-Soviet War

As it said in the title.

While the borderlands between the two countries where the immediate reason the war happened both sides did, at one point or another, exhibit wider ambitions and hoped for a decisive victory to allow them to ennact them. The USSR had projects of turning Poland into a puppet state and some at last spoke of using it as a stating point to further spread Communism through the strenght of the Red army while the Poles did consider, with more or less seriousness, use a potential decisive victory against the Russians to set the stage for the long term establishment of Belarusian and Ukrainian states that would be under Warsaw's influence to one degree or another. The fact that both Minsk and Kiev were under Polish occupation at one point or another does show that at least some ambitions beyond the borderlands might have been possible to realise too...

So my question would be, how well could Poland do in an optimal scenario for it? Pilsudski's dreams of an Intermarium federation where probably pushing it but could it have emerged from the conflict at the head of sizable sphere of influence that would have made it the premier power of the region or would simply push the Polish border further east would have been all that was achievable? How about events elsewhere? How would the Russian Civil War and other conflicts of the time have been affected?
 
To be honest continued Polish independence seems the best Poland can do. Maybe they annex more of Ukraine?
Soviets offered more land than otl’s borders but got turned down by Poland . This is due to the Poles wanting to avoid a larger eastern Slavic population.
 
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Soviets offered more land than otl’s borders but got turned down by Poland . This is due to the Poles wanting to avoid a larger eastern Slavic population.

They did take a significant amount of non-Polish territory, but it seems they got a pretty good outcome. I don't really think of the Intermarium as an actual attainable goal.
 

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Best case is probably a decisive defeat that sees it reduced to ethnically polish lands, and a leadership thats realistic and not delusional.
But if that's not an accepted answer, then incorporating western Ukraine, Belarus, and Lithuania. Even if it collapses afterwards none of it will probably be incorporated into the ussr. Though there is a real risk a resurgent Germany squeezes it against the Ukrainians.
Still though shearing Ukraine away from the ussr should significantly reduce that threat.
 
Best case is probably a decisive defeat that sees it reduced to ethnically polish lands, and a leadership thats realistic and not delusional.
But if that's not an accepted answer, then incorporating western Ukraine, Belarus, and Lithuania. Even if it collapses afterwards none of it will probably be incorporated into the ussr. Though there is a real risk a resurgent Germany squeezes it against the Ukrainians.
Still though shearing Ukraine away from the ussr should significantly reduce that threat.
Decesive defeat means Polish SSR-that is not best case scenario.
 
With more luck the Bolsheviks might perhaps have been pushed out of Belarus and central Ukraine. But probably not out of Kharkov and the Donbass. With theoretical Romanian involvement and the anti-Bolshevik unrest in southwestern Ukraine pushing the Red Army out of Kiev and beyond the Dnepr and keeping it there seems just about doable without ASB intervention. But Kharkov and the Donbass just seem too far.

One could also get creative and have a White remnant survive the Russian Civil War somehow. From a humanitarian perspective a total Red defeat would most probably be very preferable to everyone involved.
 
With more luck the Bolsheviks might perhaps have been pushed out of Belarus and central Ukraine. But probably not out of Kharkov and the Donbass. With theoretical Romanian involvement and the anti-Bolshevik unrest in southwestern Ukraine pushing the Red Army out of Kiev and beyond the Dnepr and keeping it there seems just about doable without ASB intervention. But Kharkov and the Donbass just seem too far.

One could also get creative and have a White remnant survive the Russian Civil War somehow. From a humanitarian perspective a total Red defeat would most probably be very preferable to everyone involved.
The first part sound logical to me. You wouldn't have an Intermarium federation or whatnot but rump Ukraine and Belarus under Polish influence could be possible...

On the second part I'd say its unlikely. The best place for a White Remnant would be in the Far East under Japanese influence IMO.
 
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