Alternate Country Names

No country's name is set in stone. In another timeline, the OTL country France could've been named as Gaul or Neustria or Romania being named as Dacia or Caparthia. What names are plausible enough to be used to refer to countries?
 
Depends what your POD is. If you start off before colonization, any New World colony nation could be just about anything you want. But from your initial post it seems like there might be a bit of a Roman culture wank going on?

I'm a sucker for calling Britain Albion.
 
Albion for Britain, because it is the oldest known name of the island of Britain.

Scotland for Ireland, because at one point the Romans referred to the peoples of Hibernia as "Scoti" (or "Scotti").
 
Depends what your POD is. If you start off before colonization, any New World colony nation could be just about anything you want. But from your initial post it seems like there might be a bit of a Roman culture wank going on?

I'm a sucker for calling Britain Albion.

This is just a general thread for alt-country names. So feel free to add anything!
 
You mean in their native language or in English?

Anyways, Austria could remains as Ostmark, the Netherlands could embrace their latin form (Belgia/Belgium), Germany could be Teuschland (or something like that, I'll correct later), Dutchland, Teutonia and others; Switzerland could be Raetia or Upper Burgundy, Poland could be Lethia and everyone's favorite, America could be Fredonia.
 
Scotland could be Pictland, or Albany.

Loraine was named after Lothair I; have the Middle Frankish kingdom go to one of the other brothers, and it would be called something different.

In Tudor times "Almain" (and variant spellings) was often used to mean "German" (from the Allemanni, I presume). Maybe there could be a potential alt-history name for Germany here -- Almany perhaps?

Greece is probably named after the Graikoi, the inhabitants of a part of Euboea who were prominent in the early Greek colonisation of Italy. If the Romans had adopted the Greeks' own name for themselves, we'd probably be calling the country "Hellad" or something like that.
 
Sacartia for Georgia (the country, not the US state) as an English transliteration of its Georgian name (Sakartvelo) rather than being named for St. George
 
I'll recycle an old soc.history.what-if post on why "United States of America" may have been a poor choice:


George R. Stewart, in his book *Names on the Land: A Historical Account of
Place-Naming in the United States* (Boston: Houghton Mifflin 1967)
suggested that the name "United States of America" may have been
unfortunate. True, it was natural at the time: the revolutionaries had
referred to "the united colonies of North America" or "the united colonies
of America" and then began to refer to "states" rather than colonies. So
it was appropriate when the Declaration of Independence referred to "WE,
THEREFORE, the representatives of the United States of America." This
represented the least possible breach with tradition. But, Stewart
continues (p. 171):

"As soon, however, as the emergency of the war had grown less, the
inadequacy of the name became apparent. United States of America was
greatly lacking in that it supplied no good adjective or term for the
inhabitants of the country. It was unwieldy, inexact, and unoriginal.
Although it rolled well from the tongue of an orator, not even the
sincerest patriot could manage it in a poem or song.

"Possibly some far-seeing federalists may also have realized already that,
however good it may once have been, the name could become a political
hazard. England or France, Virginia or Massachusetts--all these implied an
indivisible unity. Such states could be conquered or their governments
overthrown by revolution, but they could not be obviously split into
components. The very plurality of States, however, was a standing
suggestion that what had once been united could equally well be taken
apart; in the very name, the seeds of nullification and secession lay
hidden." (One can of course argue that Stewart is exaggerating the
importance of names here; I doubt that nullification or secession would
lose many supporters had the country been named Columbia. Still, the fact
that the states were incoporated in the very name of the USA, and the fact
that "United States" was often used in the plural--e.g., "the United States
*are*"--must have had *some* psychological effect.) [2010 Note: I no
longer think that the use of the plural was that important. Americans then
still conformed to British usage which even today employs the plural ("the
government are") where modern Americans use the singular. Indeed, in the
late eighteenth century, it was quite common to use the plural even for an
individual state: "The state of New-York *boast*"; "The State of Maryland
*have* appointed deputies," "This state *are* too divided..." etc. See my
post at
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.history.what-if/msg/dff7e61183b9a0b4 ]

Stewart thinks "Columbia" (perhaps invented by the poet Philip Frenau)
would have been better. "It was an obvious coinage by the standards of the
time. Poets quite generally preferred such elegantly classical
circumlocutions as Britannia for Great Britain, Scotia for Scotland, and
Cambria for Wales. Some of these terms had already established themselves
in English as national names, such as Russia and Austria." Columbus had
never been a hero in colonial days (the British for political reasons
preferred to emphasize the Cabots' discovery of North America) but by the
time of the Revolution there was not much chance that Spain would claim
sovreignty over New York or Philadelphia, and the Cabots were shadowy
agents of a British king, unheroic in stature. The country began to look
back to Columbus as a kind of founding hero.

Stewart concludes that "Columbia was a happy coinage. Virginia and Georgia
had already made such names familiar. It was almost everything that the
United States of America was not--short, precise, original, poetic,
indivisible, and flexibly yielding good adjectives and nouns. Freneau used
it several times in *American Liberty*, and in the succeeding years it
gradually became established in poetry. In 1786,it was adopted for the new
capital of South Carolina." The logical time for adopting it as the name
for the new nation would have been during the 1787 Constitutional
Convention, but the delegates had more important things on their minds.

The independence of the Latin American republics made "United States of
America" a more questionable choice than ever. Yes, in most cases it's
clear from context whether "American" is being used to describe the country
or the continents, but that is not always the case, and anyway, was it
really wise to add one more grievance, however petty, to the Latin
Americans' resentment of the Colossus of the North? (Although, as Bergen
Evans once remarked, any injustice in using "America" to refer to the USA
can hardly compare to that of naming an entire hemisphere for Amerigo
Vespucci in the first place.) And it led to such absurdities as Latin
Americans referring to people from the USA as North Americans--although
that name is just as applicable to Canadians and even Mexicans. (And of
course if you pointed out the imprecision of "North American" there were
always "Yanqui" and "Gringo"...)

After 1787, some suggestions to change the name of the USA were still made--
e.g., "Usona" from United States of North America--but they never got
anywhere. (Another contender, but not a very serious one, was "Fredonia"
which survives only in the names of a few towns and in the Marx Brothers'
*Duck Soup.*) Columbus was out of contention after 1819, being associated
with a region of South America. And of course had Columbia been chosen,
some Native Americans and African-Americans might now be saying that the
very name of the country was racist and should be changed--but again,
Amerigo Vespucci was no less a dead white European colonialist male.

Stewart, in all fairness, admitted that some names were even worse than
"United States of America"--e.g., "Soyuz Sovietskikh Sotsialisticheskikh
Respublik."
 

Driftless

Donor
America could easily have been Vespucia, or even Columbia.

Or, any variant of "land" that a local indigenous person replies when ask by an early European colonist - and have the first common usage name stick for the whole continent....
 
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England, of course, is named for the Angles (Angle-land) but as there were both Angles and Saxons, it could easily have gone the other way and been called Saxony or Saxland (the king being Rex Saxorum instead of Rex Anglorum). There'd have to be quite a POD for the Jutes to be dominant, but that could have led to England being Jutland.
 
England, of course, is named for the Angles (Angle-land) but as there were both Angles and Saxons, it could easily have gone the other way and been called Saxony or Saxland (the king being Rex Saxorum instead of Rex Anglorum). There'd have to be quite a POD for the Jutes to be dominant, but that could have led to England being Jutland.
Was the Saxon identity really a thing during the Middle Ages? To my view, "Saxony" would be associated with Northern Germany, not England.
 
Was the Saxon identity really a thing during the Middle Ages? To my view, "Saxony" would be associated with Northern Germany, not England.
Most things I've read about the couple of hundred years either side of the Norman Conquest refer to Saxons without mentioning Angles at all. That's probably because it was Wessex which became the dominant English kingdom after the Viking period. IIRC, the 'Rex Anglorum' bit started as a way to integrate the Angles (who'd been more under Viking/Danish control) into the Saxon kingdom(s). Saxony was certainly be associated with the German state by the early part of the second millenium, but I can imagine it being used (or some variant of it) for England if the Saxon identity was promoted over the Angle one earlier. Just a thought.
 
of course, the other obvious option for an alternate English name based on the Anglo-Saxons is Anglia or Angland ;)
 
Australia only caught on as the name for the continent due to the campaign by Matthew Flinders, starting in 1804. Absent his presence, the older name of New Holland for the continent may well have remained in use, or another entirely new name have been christened for the continent instead (and hence, later, the country). In theory there could be a campaign to use a name from an Aboriginal language, but the issue is picking which of the hundreds of indigenous languages to use.
 
Parsia instead of Iran, especially if anti-arabization is applied to the language.
Also Morocco could be called Magreby or Berbery by foreigners. Hungary could maybe be reformed to Magiary in english and so on. Algeria could be called Jazria by foreigners, and Cathay might not go out of style. This is very unlikely, but Egypt might come to be known as Massery, from a romance manipulation of the Arabic term "Masr".
 
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