Introduction
All Gall

A French Politics TL

by gaitskellitebevanite




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VIVE DE GAULLE!

This old man he played ONE
He played knick-knack at Verdun
Cognac, Armagnac, Burgundy and Beaune
This old man came rolling hime

This old man, World War TWO
He told Churchill what to do
Free French General, crosses of Lorraine
He came rolling home again

This old man, he played TROIS
"Vive la France! La France c'est Moi!"
Gimcrack governments call me if you please:
Colombey-les-deux-Eglises

This old man, he played FOUR
Choose de Gaulle or civil war!
Come back President, govern by decree!
Referendum? Oui! Oui! Oui!

This old man, he played FIVE
France is safe: Im Still alive
Plastiques, Pompidou, Sing the Marseillaise
ALGERIE N'EST PAS FRANCAIS

This old man, he played SIX
France and England they wont mix
Eytie, Benelux, Germany and me:
Thats my market recipe!

This old man, SEPT ET HUIT
NATO give me back my fleet!
Tut, tut, Adenauer ratified at Bonn:
One old man goes on and on

This old man, NINE AND TEN
He'll play nick till god knows when
Cognac, Armagnac, Burgundy and Beaune
This old man thinks he's Saint Joan!

All Gall, Flanders & Swan
 
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Chapter 1: The de Gaulle Presidency
Chapter 1: The de Gaulle Presidency

Throughout his years in the political wilderness de Gaulle remained convinced that, in a time of crisis the French nation would turn to him again as his saviour. In May 1958 the crisis of the Fourth Republic de Gaulle had long predicted finally occurred. The bombing of the Tunisian village of Sakiet-Sidi-Youssef by French planes in defiance of civilian orders provoked anger at home and abroad and brought about the downfall of the government of Felix Gaillard. Finance Minister Pierre Pflimlin formed a new government, and was due to seek parliamentary approval on 13th May. However rumours that Pflimin was in favour of a negotiate French withdrawal from Algeria angered hardliners. Right-wing extremists within the army seized control in Algiers. On 24th May paratroopers invaded Corsica, with France on the bring of a full blown military coup or the prospect of civil war. De Gaulle held a press conference, saying he was placing himself at the disposal of the French people, and after some days of political manoeuvring President Rene Coty felt he had no option but to call on “The most illustrious of Frenchmen” to form a government. De Gaulle accepted power on the condition that he was granted the power to write a new constitution and to that he was granted extraordinary powers for six months, both of which were granted. Crucially unlike 1945-6 where de Gaulle had been a non-partisan national figurehead, his return to power was bitterly opposed by much of the French left, particularly the Communist Party who regarded the events of May 1958, with some justification, as an undemocratic military-political coup.

The new constitution was hastily framed within three months of de Gaulle’s resumption of power and was approved by 79% of French voters in a referendum on 28th September 1958. The document, largely written by Justice Minister Michel Debre sought to combine elements of the American and British political systems, to strengthen the executive at the expense of parliament and ensure the emergence of a smaller number of political parties to put an end to the legislative bickering and short term governments of the Third and Fourth Republic. The President was no longer elected by parliamentarians alone, but by an electoral college of approximately 80,000 Mayors and municipal councillors. In snap legislative elections held that November the Gaullist led centre-right coalition won a landslide victory, and that December de Gaulle was elected the inaugural President of the Fifth Republic winning 78% in the first round amongst the electoral college.

The de Gaulle years of 1958-62 were ones of tension and threatened instability as the Algerian issue continued to dominate the French political scene. De Gaulle used this instability to create a strongly personalised and autocratic form of presidential government. Such a system suited a man who was, by temperament, aloof, arrogant and domineering, and who coming from a military background, was more used to giving direct orders than party political bargaining. De Gaulle was aided in his strategy by a compliant Prime Minister in the form of Michel Debre, who was reliably subservient to the President.

On the dominant Algeria question de Gaulle initially adopted an intentionally ambiguous stance, epitomised in his June 1958 pronouncement to a cheering pied noir crowd in Algiers ‘je vous ai compris’- I have understood you. De Gaulle’s statement could better be translated as “I have the measure of you” for having returned to power largely due to the support of those who wanted to preserve a French Algeria the President quickly appreciated that the Algerian War could not be won. In September 1959 de Gaulle called for a ceasefire in Algeria, followed by a referendum with the option of home rule. Talks with the FLN leaders continued in 1960, but de Gaulle became convinced that a referendum was required to bolster his position. In January 1961 75% of metropolitan France and 70% of Algerians voted in favour of self-determination. In response on April 22nd 1961 the Algerian extremists, led by retired Generals Challe, Jouhaud, Zeller and Salan seized power in Algiers and prepared for a possible airborne assault on France. In response de Gaulle, dressed in his General’s uniform gave an impassioned, dramatic and highly successful appeal to the nation for its support. The insurrectionists soon found themselves isolated and lacking significant popular support in Metropolitan France, and the putsch quickly dissipated. Long and difficult negotiations culminated with the signing of a formal peace treaty at the spa town of Evian on March 18th 1962. At a referendum held a month later 91% of French voters on a 75% turnout endorsed the accords, followed suite in July 99% of Algerians on a 91% turnout. Two days later France recognised Algerian independence, France’s long Algerian nightmare was over.

With peace achieved de Gaulle swiftly sacked Debre as Prime Minister, replacing him with the political unknown Georges Pompidou. A teacher by profession, Pompidou had been a member of de Gaulle’s inner circle during his long years in the wilderness, and after service on his personal staff de Gaulle appointed him to the Constitutional Council in 1959. He had never held elected office. Pompidou’s appointment as Prime Minister was a sign not only that de Gaulle intended to carry on directing the main thrusts of policy, but that he continued to have little respect for party politicians. De Gaulle even touted the idea of amending the constitution to abolish the electoral college and elect the President by popular vote, further enhancing his claim to a personal mandate from the French people.

Whilst a believer in greater European cooperation, de Gaulle was a firm defender of France’s national sovereignty and advocated a policy of grandeur, of retaining France’s position as a global power. De Gaulle’s increasing Euroscepticism and opposition to a federal Europe led to members of the pro-European Mouvement Républicain Populaire – Popular Republican Movement (MRP) to resign from the government in May 1962, fracturing the Gaullist legislative coalition.

In April 1961 a new organisation had been founded the Organisation armee secrete – Secret Army Organisation (OAS). Headquartered in Francoist Spain, the OAS consisted of high ranking former army officers who were still adamant that Algeria should remain French. Their attempt at a revolt having failed, they instead sought to destabilise the de Gaulle administration, launching a terror campaign through 1961. Amongst the OAS’ victims was the Mayor of Evian, Camille Blanc, who had agreed to host the upcoming peace talks in his town. The OAS main target was de Gaulle himself, as it was felt only through his death could peace talks be stopped. Through 1961 and 1962 over twenty attempts were made on de Gaulle’s life. The success of the Evian peace talks, and their overwhelming endorsement in referenda, destroyed any remaining hope for retaining French Algeria. By the summer of 1962 the entire OAS leadership, including the former putschist General Salan, had been arrested. However disgruntled elements remained within military and political circles who would never forgive de Gaulle for his “betrayal” over Algeria. Killing de Gaulle became more about a sense of revenge, rather than preventing him from enacting his Algerian policy.

On 22nd August 1962 de Gaulle and was returning from chairing a meeting of the cabinet in Paris to his home of Colombey-les-Deux-Églises. As de Gaulle’s Citroen DS sped through the Paris suburb of Petit Clamart he was ambushed by a group of twelve men armed with submachineguns, led by Lt. Col. Jean Bastien-Thiry. Over 200 shots were fired, of which only 14 hit the car. One shot hit the President’s head, killing him instantly.

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Question: why in this TL do you have De Gaulle have the President of the 5th Republic elected by an el-
ectoral college, instead of by the French people as in OTL? (The President in the 5th Republic, despite this,
is definitely stronger than Parliment so I’m just curious as to why it could have been thought that an in-
direct method of election, through an electoral college, would have even been necessary).

Also have you heard the(apparently apocryphal)story that when Churchill heard of De Gaulle com-
paring himself to Joan, he cracked that unfortunately, his bishops hadn’t given him permission to
have Charles burned.
 
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VIVE DE GAULLE!

This old man he played ONE
He played knick-knack at Verdun
Cognac, Armagnac, Burgundy and Beaune
This old man came rolling hime

This old man, World War TWO
He told Churchill what to do
Free French General, crosses of Lorraine
He came rolling home again

This old man, he played TROIS
"Vive la France! La France c'est Moi!"
Gimcrack governments call me if you please:
Colombey-les-deux-Eglises

This old man, he played FOUR
Choose de Gaulle or civil war!
Come back President, govern by decree!
Referendum? Oui! Oui! Oui!

This old man, he played FIVE
France is safe: Im Still alive
Plastiques, Pompidou, Sing the Marseillaise
ALGERIE N'EST PAS FRANCAIS

This old man, he played SIX
France and England they wont mix
Eytie, Benelux, Germany and me:
Thats my market recipe!

This old man, SEPT ET HUIT
NATO give me back my fleet!
Tut, tut, Adenauer ratified at Bonn:
One old man goes on and on

This old man, NINE AND TEN
He'll play nick till god knows when
Cognac, Armagnac, Burgundy and Beaune
This old man thinks he's Saint Joan!

Loving this little song. Really good.
 
Question: why in this TL do you have De Gaulle have the President of the 5th Republic elected by an el-
ectoral college, instead of by the French people as in OTL? (The President in the 5th Republic, despite this,
is definitely stronger than Parliment so I’m just curious as to why it could have been thought that an in-
direct method of election, through an electoral college, would have even been necessary).

Also have you heard the(apparently apocryphal)story that when Churchill heard of De Gaulle com-
paring himself to Joan, he cracked that unfortunately, his bishops hadn’t given him permission to
have Charles burned.
The constitution of the Fifth Republic established an electoral college to elect the President, and this was the system used to elect de Gaulle in 1958. The decision to change this system was de Gaulle's, who in September 1962 OTL announced his intention to hold a referendum on whether to directly elect the President and abolish the electoral college, which was endorsed by the french voters despite the opposition of the majority of french parliamentarians. De Gaulle's assasination means this is butterflied away.
Apart from the last sentence, everything in the last update is as in OTL.
 
Chapter 2: The 1962 Presidential Election
Chapter 2: The 1962 Presidential Election
The Death of a President

De Gaulle’s funeral on 25th August was the biggest such event in French history, and by coincidence coincided with the 18th anniversary of the Liberation of Paris. Thousands attended his memorial service held at Notre-Dame cathedral, including American President John F. Kennedy, Soviet Head of State Leonid Brezhnev, British Prime Minister Harold Macmillan, German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer, as well as former leaders Winston Churchill and Dwight D. Eisenhower. The shock of de Gaulle’s assassination brought attention to the need for greater security to other world leaders, barely a year later an assassination attempt on President Kennedy was foiled due to the secret service’s insistence that he kept a protective bubble in place over his vehicle during a visit to Dallas.

De Gaulle’s sudden death also took the French political class by complete surprise, the former President had so dominated the national political scene since 1958 that his sudden removal left a power vacuum. In accordance with the constitution President of the Senate Gaston Monnerville served as acting President until a new presidential election could be held, in doing so becoming Europe’s first black head of state. Born in French Guinea and the grandson of slaves, Monnerville had served as President of the upper chamber since 1947 (first the Council of the Republic, and from 1958 President of the Senate). A politician more comfortable in the centrist politics of the Fourth Republic, he had supported de Gaulle’s return to power four years previously, but had grown increasingly disenchanted with the General’s autocratic style of governing. Monnerville quickly ruled himself out as a potential presidential candidate, partially due to fears of a backlash from the far right on account of his race, but primarily as he was content to continue as President of the Senate.

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Gaston Monnerville,
President of France (acting) 22 August - October 4, 1962

The UNR

The Gaullist UNR struggled to adjust itself to politics without de Gaulle, who had not only served as the party’s ideological driving force, but as a charismatic leader had proved the party’s primary electoral attraction. The UNR had acted more as an electoral vehicle for de Gaulle than a distinctive ideological party, and there was some argument as to whether France even required a Gaullist Party without the General to lead it. The party had little organisational structure, and no formal method of selecting a new leader or presidential candidate. De facto leadership of the UNR fell to disparate grouping of former resistance veterans; Michel Debre, Jacques Foccart, Jacques Chaban-Delmas, Roger Frey and Andre Malraux – later collectively dubbed the ‘Barons of Gaullism’, in addition to Prime Minister Pompidou. All were united in their desire for a strong executive government and a nationalistic approach to foreign affairs, but differed substantially on social and economic matters. A potential factional battle over who the UNR candidate to succeed de Gaulle should be was only avoided by the remote possibility that any candidate would be successful. The political balance of the electoral college was dominated by councillors of the centre to centre-right, making it highly unlikely that a presidential candidate of either the left or the Gaullist right would be elected. It was agreed that former Prime Minister Michel Debre would act as the Gaullist standard bearer in the election.


Gaston Defferre

The moderate SFIO Mayor of Marseilles announced his intention to seek the presidency. Defferre’s aspiration was not dissimilar to that advocated by Pierre Mendes France in the 1950s, to form an electoral coalition of the SFIO, the Radical-Socialists and the MRP, creating a centre-left alliance akin to the American Democratic Party and locking both the Communists and the Gaullists out of government. If a Defferre presidential candidacy proved successful the new president could dissolve the national assembly with the likelihood that such a centre-left ‘Republican Front’ could gain a parliamentary majority. During the brief presidential campaign Defferre even stated his intention to appoint Mendes France Prime Minister, and categorically ruled out countenancing Communist participation in any future government.

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Gaston Defferre,
the Presidential candidate of the moderate left

The PCF

The PCF nominated Politburo member and veteran communist Francois Billoux. A member of the Chamber of Deputies, Billoux was also the Director of the communist weekly newspaper ‘France Nouvelle’. The PCF had been prominent in opposing de Gaulle's return in 1958, and opposed the creation of the Fifth Republic. Despite this the communists felt the need to stand a candidate for the Presidency, even although the election of a communist candidate was a near impossibility.


Antoine Pinay

The frontrunner was conservative former Prime Minister Antoine Pinay. Born the son of a hatmaker in 1891 in the Rhone commune of Saint-Symphorien-sur-Coise, Pinay had enjoyed a long and distinguished career in public life. First elected Mayor of Saint-Chamond in 1929, he was to hold the office for 30 of the next 33 years. Elected to the Chamber of Deputies in 1936, and a Senator in 1938, Pinay was amongst those French parliamentarians who voted to give Marshal Petain authority to rewrite the constitution in July 1940. Despite this after the war he was elected to the National Assembly, serving throughout the Fourth Republic, and in 1949 joining the conservative Centre National des Independants et Paysans (CNIP). After serving in several cabinets in March 1952 he finally formed an administration of his own. As Prime Minister Pinay was a staunch advocate of fiscal prudence and reduced taxation. Although his government lasted less than a year, Pinay was perhaps the most popular Prime Minister of the Fourth Republic, particularly amongst the conservative middle class constituency. He returned to cabinet in 1955 as Foreign Minister under Edgar Faure where he came to support Moroccan independence. Unlike much of the French right Pinay accepted that decolonisation was inevitable, and did not advocate a ‘diehard’ stance against Algerian Independence. Pinay supported de Gaulle’s return to power in 1958, where his reputation for fiscal prudence made him the natural choice for Finance Minister. His name and reputation were crucial in enabling the preservation of economic stability during a period of political turmoil. Increasingly disillusioned by de Gaulle’s ‘imperial presidency’ he resigned as Finance Minister in 1960. Under pressure from other conservative parliamentarians and the business class Pinay finally announced his candidacy for the presidency on 12th September. His candidacy received the backing of not only the CNIP but also the MRP and the majority of the centrist Radicals.

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Antoine Pinay,
the presidential candidate of the moderate right

The 1962 Presidential Election

The electoral college met in town halls across France on 30th September, Pinay led as anticipated, but unexpectedly gained an overall majority in the first round.

Antoine PinayCNIP57%
Michel DebreUNR18%
Gaston DefferreSFIO14%
Francois BillouxPCF11%
Total-100%


Defferre’s candidacy failed for several reasons, primarily without de Gaulle as a unifying opponent the Christian democrats of the MRP and the socialists of the SFIO had little common ground, Catholicism flying in the face of very firmly held traditional anti-clerical prejudices of the French left. The electoral college regarded Pinay as a safe choice, a political veteran who’s approach to politics was much more down to earth than the regal de Gaulle. Pinay received the votes of a significant member of centrist and non-aligned members of the electoral college whom Defferre had tried and failed to appeal to. In Pinay they hoped to find Gaullism without de Gaulle.
 
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Chapter 3: The Pinay Presidency
Chapter 3: The Pinay Presidency
When Pinay assumed the French presidency in October 1962 he sought a return to the Fourth Republic approach to politics, projecting himself as a more consensual and less interventionist head of state. A moustachioed man in a homburg hat, he cut a much more understated personality that the strapping, bombastic de Gaulle. To ensure a sense of continuity Pinay initially retained Pompidou as Prime Minister, although enacted a significant cabinet reshuffle changing the political balance of the cabinet to include more members of the non-Gaullist right and centre and fewer UNR Ministers. Both Pinay and Pompidou were essentially pragmatic conservatives, and despite hailing from very different political pedigrees were to work well together in office.


The 1963 Legislative Elections

In November 1958 the Gaullist UNR and its centre-right allies had won a landslide victory in elections to the National Assembly, forcing the socialist SFIO and centrist Radical Party to the political fringes, and the reducing the Communist party to fewer than a dozen seats – a husk of its former self. The legislative term was not due to end until November 1963, however the governing Gaullist coalition had broken down over de Gaulle’s Eurosceptic pronouncements in the summer of 1962, and before the General’s assassination it had appeared a snap legislative poll that autumn was likely. Upon succeeding to the presidency Pinay had quickly ruled out the option of a snap poll in 1962, making a legislative campaign the following spring a near certainty and in effect firing the starting gun on the electoral campaign.

Despite attempting to remain above party politics, President Pinay was closely associated with the right wing CNIP, and regarded by many as the party’s de facto leader. This greatly strengthened a party which only a year before had seemed in its death throws. The party itself had tended to be a rather loose coalition stretching from mainstream conservatives to those who had sympathies to the extreme right. The party’s former leader Roger Duchet had been ostracised due to his opposition to Algerian independence and had subsequently left politics. His successor was the rather bland former Minister Camille Laurens, but it was clear the dominant figure within the party remained the President.

Without de Gaulle as leader the UNR had lacked its main campaigning force, and source of party unity. By early 1963 forces in the party had split into three camps. Supporters of former Prime Minister Michel Debre advocated adopting a more Eurosceptic, nationalistic, and conservative line. The group around National Assembly President Jacques Chaban-Delmas rallied around a more progressive, left wing form of Gaullism with an emphasis on social reform and political decentralisation. A third ‘pole’ developed around Prime Minister Pompidou, which in effect advocated a third way between the other two factions with the ultimate intention of turning the UDR into a mainstream liberal-conservative party. This factional upheaval, and the lack of a clear leader, was to greatly hinder the UDR’s legislative campaign.

The MRP’s election campaign was led by Senator Jean Lecanuet. Although not the party’s leader, Lecanuet cast himself as France’s answer to John F. Kennedy, and was a charismatic politician of the liberal centre.

The parties of the left were still bruised from their bitter defeat in the legislative elections of 1958. The SFIO in particular, under the leadership of Guy Mollet, appeared stuck in the politics of the 1950s and wildly out of date. The potential for a broader ‘’Union de la Gauche’ was proposed by some, including the former Minister Francois Mitterrand – himself not an SFIO member – but was eventually stymied.

The legislative elections held on 17th and 24th March 1963 saw a victory for the parties of the right. Internal divisions amongst the potential Gaullist dauphins had hampered the UNR’s campaign, and saw the party lose over half of its seats. After a long and bitter war in Algeria and the turmoil of a Presidential assassination the French voters opted for stability. A combination of economic prosperity and peace had won the day. However despite a victory for the governing ‘Presidential Coalition’ the parties of the left had made a significant comeback from their historic defeat in the elections of November 1958, with the SFIO, PCF and Radical Party each making considerable gains.

PartySeats
CNIP144
MRP89
UNR75
Miscellaneous Right13
Total Right321
SFIO77
PCF44
PR43
PSU3
Miscellaneous Left3
Total Left170
Total491


Enter Giscard

With the Gaullist position within the Right bloc greatly weakened Pinay opted to remove Pompidou as Prime Minister. His replacement was the 37 year old Finance Minister Valery Giscard d’Estaing, an enarque technocrat who came from a wealthy, upper-middle class, Auvergne based family with aristocratic connections. Giscard’s promotion at such a young age was a surprise, but Pinay had previously chosen him as his deputy when he was Minister for Finance. As Finance Minister since 1962 he had introduced a tough, anti-inflationary stability plan reminiscent of that advocated by Pinay a decade earlier, and as the third most important politician in France had gained a high public profile despite his relative youth. His unimpeachable personal reputation and his accomplished television manner made him a strong media performer. Despite hailing from CNIP Giscard had been a loyal disciple of de Gaulle, supporting his strengthening of the executive branch at the expense of parliament. However like Pinay Giscard was a convinced pro-European and a strong supporter of the Atlantic alliance. Giscard sought a political re-alignment of the parties of the centre and right, creating a new, more permanent centre-right coalition of the CNIP, MRP and the Gaullists, with the possibility of attracting the centrist Radical Party to this new ‘Presidential Majority’.

In the economic sphere Giscard wanted a modernised France to join West Germany, Japan and the United States in the ‘first industrial league’. He sought to achieve this by combining long term strategic planning with a competitive, de-regulatory and freer market approach to economic management. He sought to end government support to unviable companies, and force a more market driven approach into French business thought. Giscard particularly sought to emulate the ‘German model’ and develop a social market economy based around a strong currency, a balanced budget and wage controls.

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Valery Giscard d'Estaing
appointed Prime Minister March 1963

Giscard argued for a ‘change in continuity’ in domestic affairs, and initially advocated a number of liberal social reforms. He sought ‘the greatest possible reconciliation between equality and liberty’ and argued there was a need to reform and update French state institutions to take into account the social and economic developments that had occurred since 1945. He proposed to lift many of the more authoritarian controls exercised by the government in broadcasting, the arts and civil affairs. Through 1963-66 Giscard enacted a ‘quiet revolution’ in social affairs; lifting film censorship, reducing government control over the state broadcaster RTF, and in 1965 followed Britain by introducing a private television channel, lowering the voting age to 18, permitting divorce by mutual consent and abolishing the death penalty for all crimes expect aggravated murder and treason. Some of Giscard’s more radical proposals, such as legislation to ensure equal pay for women and a liberalisation of the abortion law had to be abandoned due to opposition from within his own centre-right coalition, and from President Pinay himself.


Foreign Affairs

Pinay saw the role of the President as In his approach to foreign policy the new President differed significantly from his predecessor, being a convinced pro-European, pro-American and more internationalist. Pinay was to establish a particularly strong rapport with German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer and his successor Ludwig Erhard, and helped deepen Franco-German ties after a century of conflict. In early 1963 Pinay announced that France would not veto Britain’s entry into the European Economic Community, and after a year of negotiations the United Kingdom, Ireland and Denmark acceded to the EEC on January 1st 1964. EEC entry was seen as a major foreign policy achievement of the British Conservative government of Alec Douglas-Home, and contributed to his party’s narrow election victory in the election later that year. The President was to court controversy by aligning France more with the United States, and offering diplomatic support to the American War in Vietnam. This move brought strong criticism at home, not only from the left opposition but also from anti-American Gaullist nationalists such as Jacques Chaban-Delmas. Pinay’s personal popularity was to take a strong hit as a consequence.
 
The President was to court controversy by aligning France more with the United States, and offering diplomatic support to the American War in Vietnam.
The French bought F-8 Crusaders at the same time as the war was ongoing. Could the French have send pilots to US carriers for "combat training"?
 
The French bought F-8 Crusaders at the same time as the war was ongoing. Could the French have send pilots to US carriers for "combat training"?
In this TL im basing Pinay's attitude to Vietnam as being almost identical to that of the UK, i.e. public support for the US to help maintain good relations but no 'boots on the ground' as its politically suicidal
 
Very interesting timeline so far. With earlier social reforms, May 68 is very likely butterflied away and an earlier focus on free-market reform may mean that some elements of economic stagnation that plagued France from the 1970s could be avoided.
The United Kingdom joining the EEC in 1964 will have massive consequences down the line for the country. The economy will be somewhat invigorated by EEC entry, especially sectors that needed it OTL such as chemicals and the car industry. By joining earlier, the UK will also have far more of a voice and far more of say when and potentially even if things like the Common Agricultural Policy and Common Fisheries Policy are created TTL.
It looks like there won't be a strong Franco-German axis TTL and that Franco-British ties could be stronger than OTL too. I wouldn't be too surprised if there is more Franco-British defence cooperation too, especially in aerospace.
On aerospace, the UK joining the EEC much earlier means that Airbus will stay a primarily Franco-British venture TTL with Germany only have a minority share. This means that TTL aerospace cities of Europe may be Bristol and Toulouse as opposed to Hamburg and Toulouse.

All in all I really like the implications of this TL so far.
De Gaulle's legacy is too often beyond reproach in France and the guy is seen as some kind of saint or demigod that saved France in her hour of greatest need. Sure, he made very positive contributions during dark times. But he equally made a lot of mistakes that harmed the country in the longer run.
 

marktaha

Banned
In this TL im basing Pinay's attitude to Vietnam as being almost identical to that of the UK, i.e. public support for the US to help maintain good relations but no 'boots on the ground' as its politically suicidal
Perhaps some remaining diehards from Indochina and Algeria could be sent to Vietnam?
 
Will be very interesting to see how the role of the French President evolves going forward, de Gaulle's approach to it has really shaped the office even down to today.

I'm wondering if the closer partnership between France and Britain ITTL might have a lot to do with how the EEC takes shape. A lot of the history of Britain's relationship with Europe (and it's aloofness from it) has to do with it running up against the French-German axis, but it had just as much potential and leverage to shape its development over the years. If Britain is more involved in Europe as a result of this it could take it in a very different direction.
 
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