Canaan Osborne
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Some caveats: no balkanizing the USA and only one can be about slavery or else we just have two OTL American Civil Wars.
AHC: Two American Civil Wars in the 19th century.
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The first was a nullification crisis gone wrong; the second would be like OTL about slavery.
Canaan Osborne
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Maybe the end result of the first one is a weakening of the Presidency and the federal government? So slavery can't feasibly be banned and continues until a slave revolt breaks big and northerners riot rather than hunt down rebel slaves guerrilla style.
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The 1876 election was a shitshow, so that could be a good trigger. Have the folks who stole the election be even more egregious so that the north responds with anger instead of exhaustion.
So close to the 1860-65 period (ACW) meant that everyone was too tired to fight a war. Doubt that anger would take the form of another civil war.
The US stopping the Confederacy from leaving is called a Civil War. If America annexes all of Mexico and violently suppresses Mexican rebellion, that could become known as a Civil War if America actually holds on to Mexico to the present.
Late 1890s-ish Gilded Age-triggered Socialist Revolution that fails. If they won, it'd be the 2nd American Revolution. But they lose, so the Second Civil War.
Canaan Osborne
Banned
What about a theocrat party getting elected to office and trying to install a theocracy leading to a Civil war?
Like Handmaid's Tale, or possibly the AFC in What Madness Is This, where you had something like "The Great Shatter" in 1801... possible, but rather unlikely due to the 1st Amendment. I could see the American experiment failing early, like in WMIT (1st ACW leads to union shattering. 2nd ACW reunites it.)
Canaan Osborne
Banned
I was thinking they take power after a alt 1897 depression. Somehow white supremacy is taken down a notch because I want it to be a more purely religious war. Maybe reconstruction is taken to a satisfying conclusion with the destruction of the planter class after the south does something to make the union bring down the hammer leading to a generation of insurgent war?
I think the most likely possibilities besides the slavery war are
1. Nullification crisis gone wrong
2. Socialist war (think Falcon Rebellion)
Alt 1897 depression is more likely to lead to socialist war rather than religion war because the modern evangelical movement didn't form until much later (1900s or so; prior religious movements didn't have as much influence in politics).
1. Nullification crisis gone wrong
2. Socialist war (think Falcon Rebellion)
Alt 1897 depression is more likely to lead to socialist war rather than religion war because the modern evangelical movement didn't form until much later (1900s or so; prior religious movements didn't have as much influence in politics).
The Russian Revolution was successful, and followed by the Russian Civil War. A successful Second American Revolution likely means a Second Civil War comes next.
Just make "America" a monarchy and its easy.
Mexico had civil wars in the 1820s, though you can argue it was just their war of independence, a civil war in the 1850s, another in the 1860s though you can argue it was repelling an invasion, then another in the 1910s. The two attempts to install a monarchy was part of the secret sauce.
Mexico and other Latin American countries had a land baron/ peasant society. This was true of the the southern American colonies and states, but the northern ones got away from that early, so you just had the war between the states. Get a stratified society going in the north, it doesn't have to be outright slavery, and you get a situation where just about the only way you can make progress is a civil war or revolution.
Another idea is to somehow prevent the foundation of universities in the English North American colonies during the colonial period.
Mexico had civil wars in the 1820s, though you can argue it was just their war of independence, a civil war in the 1850s, another in the 1860s though you can argue it was repelling an invasion, then another in the 1910s. The two attempts to install a monarchy was part of the secret sauce.
Mexico and other Latin American countries had a land baron/ peasant society. This was true of the the southern American colonies and states, but the northern ones got away from that early, so you just had the war between the states. Get a stratified society going in the north, it doesn't have to be outright slavery, and you get a situation where just about the only way you can make progress is a civil war or revolution.
Another idea is to somehow prevent the foundation of universities in the English North American colonies during the colonial period.
Canaan Osborne
Banned
I wonder if we could get a large scale division between the west and the east? Perhaps farmer-populism becomes more popular and the government tries to centralize to much while being in the pocket of monopolies?