AHC: Lazar Kaganovich, successor to Lenin

Your challenge is to get a scenario where Lazar Kaganovich succeeds Lenin as leader of the USSR.

Additionally, what would the Soviet Union and (at least) the interwar period be like with a Stalinist Jew as Soviet leader?
 
Immediate succeeding seems to be kinda weird because of 1924-Lazar was a backbencher of the Central Committee.

All I can imagine is some mutual agreement between Trotsky-Stalin-Zinoviev to use some kind of consensus ruling. Therefore shy and talented Kaganovich could be appointed to the post of the 'Chairman' (or Technical Secretary). In resembles the early Brezhnev's era: dummy puppet as figurehead.

OTL such a figure were Kalinin and Brezhnev. Brezhnev found himself able to overthrow his colleagues and become more or less actual leader. Kalinin could not.

Another butterfly could be actial establishment of Jewish SSR in Crimea. In the early 1920s there was a projects of socialist jewish state in Crimea (Komzet, OZET) which were later postponed and finally became a stillborn Jewish Autonomous Oblast on Far East.
 
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Kaganovich was 30 years old when Lenin died so quiet young man he would be as immediate successor of Lenin. Perhaps if he would succeed Stalin? It would be easier.

One way would be that Lenin not injure on assassination attempt on 1918 and has much better health. Then he could live 10 - 15 years longer.
 
Kaganovich was 30 years old when Lenin died so quiet young man he would be as immediate successor of Lenin. Perhaps if he would succeed Stalin? It would be easier.

One way would be that Lenin not injure on assassination attempt on 1918 and has much better health. Then he could live 10 - 15 years longer.

That's what I was thinking too. Lenin lives at least a decade or so longer, till like the mid-1930s, and Lazar somehow works his way into the succession in that time. You'd have to get rid of Stalin, and Lazar would have to come ahead of the other contenders somehow.
 
That's what I was thinking too. Lenin lives at least a decade or so longer, till like the mid-1930s, and Lazar somehow works his way into the succession in that time. You'd have to get rid of Stalin, and Lazar would have to come ahead of the other contenders somehow.

Just imagine amounts of conspiracy theories from the 30s till today if USSR at some point was leaded by an actual Jew.

Western press goes mental. European fascism goes mental. Modern neo-nazi goes berserk.
 
Just imagine amounts of conspiracy theories from the 30s till today if USSR at some point was leaded by an actual Jew.

Western press goes mental. European fascism goes mental. Modern neo-nazi goes berserk.

Yes, the effects on the already-rife antisemitism of the time will be incendiary.

Its why I wanted to know what the effects on the global interwar period would be like with Lazar in charge.
 
Kaganovich didn't even become a member of the Politburo until 1930. He was entirely a product of Stalin.
 
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kagnovich was a nobody in 1921: he only came to power by being one of stalin's cronies
Kaganovich didn't even become a member of the Politburo until 1930. He was an entirely a product of Stalin.

With respect, you're wrong. Another bolshevik, Mikhail Kalinin also wasn't a Politburo member until 1927. Nevertheless, he was respected as 'all-Union elder' and took nominal head of state post.

Circa 1911 he entered the Bolshevik party. In 1915 Kaganovich was arrested. During March–April 1917 he served as the Chairman of the Tanners Union and as the vice-chairman of the Yuzovka Soviet. In May 1917 he became the leader of the military organization of Bolsheviks in Saratov, and in August 1917, he became the leader of the Polessky Committee of the Bolshevik party in Belarus. During the October Revolution of 1917 he led the revolt in Gomel. In 1918 Kaganovich acted as Commissar of the propaganda department of the Red Army. From May 1918 to August 1919 he was the Chairman of the Ispolkom (Committee) of the Nizhny Novgorod gubernia. In 1919–1920, he served as governor of the Voronezh gubernia. The years 1920 to 1922 he spent in Turkmenistan as one of the leaders of the Bolshevik struggle against local Muslim rebels (basmachi), and also commanding the succeeding punitive expeditions against local opposition. In May 1922, Stalin became the General Secretary of the Communist Party and immediately transferred Kaganovich to his apparatus to head the Organizational Bureau or Orgburo of the Secretariat. This department was responsible for all assignments within the apparatus of the Communist Party. Working there, Kaganovich helped to place Stalin's supporters in important jobs within the Communist Party bureaucracy. In this position he became noted for his great work capacity. In 1924 Kaganovich became a member of the Central Committee.

So, it was not a great start, but still a pole-position. If we took as granted that power struggle between Trotsky-Stalin-Zinoviev resulted in the need of no-one-controlled nominative figurehead of the state, Kaganovich had a brilliant 3-4% probability to became such a figure. Like any other popular party member.
 
kagnovich was a nobody in 1921: he only came to power by being one of stalin's cronies

Kaganovich didn't even become a member of the Politburo until 1930. He was an entirely a product of Stalin.

That's the challenge guys. Yes it's quite difficult/implausible, but I don't think it's ASB. I just want to brainstorm ideas for how it could happen and what the effects would be after that.
 
Your challenge is to get a scenario where Lazar Kaganovich succeeds Lenin as leader of the USSR.

Additionally, what would the Soviet Union and (at least) the interwar period be like with a Stalinist Jew as Soviet leader?

Brrrr.
Nasty guy.

Anyway, it's very unlikely that he could ever made that high. He was one of Stalin's henchmen and rose only because of his trust; and he was a Jew through and through in the eyes of Gentile Russians, despite being an avowed Godless atheist.
 
With respect, you're wrong. Another bolshevik, Mikhail Kalinin also wasn't a Politburo member until 1927. Nevertheless, he was respected as 'all-Union elder' and took nominal head of state post.

Well, first of all that was basically a decorative post. Kalinin was chosen for it because he was portrayed by Lenin as a "middle peasant from Tver gubernia" (actually, though of peasant origin, he had been an industrial worker) https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1919/apr/03.htm and because unlike his predecessor Sverdlov he was an ethnic Russian, not a Jew. These were obvious considerations in the middle of a civil war where the support of the peasantry (which was skeptical of the Bolsheviks as a primarily urban party, and which was vulnerable to White criticisms of the "Jewish commissars") was important. Second, Kalinin got his nominal "presidency" of Soviet Russia in 1919, well before Stalin's rise to power. Third, nobody seriously considered Kalinin for a position of supreme *real* power. Small wonder that in his Testament, Lenin considered the merits and shortcomings of Stalin, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Bukharin and even Pyatakov https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1922/dec/testamnt/congress.htm but didn't find Kalinin worth mentioning.

So in other words even if Kaganovich were somehow comparable to Kalinin, that would not be a sign that he had any real chance to be the top man in the USSR in other than a figurehead sense. But they are not comparable. As I noted, Kalinin rose to prominence under Lenin. Kaganovich was entirely a creature of Stalin's--he got his first major position when Stalin, newly appointed General Secretary, transferred Kaganovich from Turkestan to Stalin's apparatus to head the Orgburo. One could see Kaganovich as eventually a potential successor to *Stalin* though I doubt even this very much. [1] But there is no way he could be the successor to *Lenin* even if Lenin lived longer.

[1] According to Khrushchev, Stalin said toward the end of his life: "Who will we appoint chairman of the Council of Ministers after me? Beria? No, he is not Russian, but Georgian. Khrushchev? No, he is a worker, we need someone more educated. Malenkov? No, he can only follow someone else's lead. Kaganovich? No, he won't do, for he is not Russian but a Jew. Molotov? No, he has already aged, he won't cope. Voroshilov? No, he is really not up to it. Saburov? Pervukhin? These people are only fit for secondary roles. There is only one person left and that is Bulganin." https://books.google.com/books?id=p2AdDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA44
 
Didn't syphilis also take its toll?


There is a long discussion of the cause of Lenin's stroke at pp. 444-446 of Robert Service's *Lenin: A Biography*. https://books.google.com/books?id=N9mbl_xbWpkC&pg=PT530

Service is in the end agnostic on the question of syphilis (some of Lenin's symptoms pointed in that direction, others didn't, some of his doctors thought he had it, others didn't, a Wasserman test supposedly turned out negative but the blood analyses have suspiciously gone missing, etc.). Grigori Rossolino, a Russian neuropathologist of Italian descent, bluntly told Lenin that he had *hoped* it was syphilis since that was at least curable but had concluded that the illness was even more serious than syphilis and the prognosis for the patient was not good.

In any event, while syphilis was a plausible diagnosis, so was cerebral arteriosclerosis. "Lenin's father had reportedly died of it in 1886 and might well have passed on the condition to his son. The subsequent medical history of the other Ulyanovs was to point in the same direction. Anna Ilinichna traveled incognito across the border to Latvia in 1922 [I think this is a misprint for 1933--DT] to a sanatorium, and she died after a stroke and chronic paralysis in 1935, two years later. Maria Ilinichna failed to survive a heart attack, and Dmitri Ilich died of stenocardia--the constriction of the blood vessels joined to the heart--in 1943."

Service concludes:

"But what really was wrong with him? Medical science has progressed in the ensuing decades and would be able, if Lenin were now a patient, to diagnose his illness more easily. One of the possible causes would no longer be seriously entertained: neurasthenia. Today this condition, so readily diagnosed until the middle of the twentieth century, is seldom recognized as a genuine disease. Of the three main remaining diagnoses each has something plausible about it. If it were not for the negative result of the Wasserman test, syphilis would be a credible guess. If it were not for the fact that he had had minor strokes before 1922, the surgical removal of the bullet might be credible. Yet the fact remains that some of Lenin's doctors believed he was syphilitic even though, apparently, he failed to come up positive on the Wasserman test. Nor can it be disproved that the operation on the bullet fatally worsened an existing condition. Then again perhaps Professor Osipov got it right when suggesting that Lenin was suffering from atherosclerosis or a 'hardening of the arteries'. Often it is associated with a high pressure of blood against the arterial walls. The affected arteries in Lenin's case, as was revealed after his death in 1924, were linked to the brain.

"In the West this is scarcely a topic of intense interest. In Russia, however, the communist authorities propagated an image of Lenin as a morally pure individual, and the consequence is that many contemporary historians have been searching to prove that he died of a venereal disease. Thus it is implied that he was sexually promiscuous. It is an understandable quest. But it is driven by motives outside the limits of medical history. And until further information comes to light, no useful conclusion may be offered."
 
Stalin really had no self-awareness did he?

Quite the contrary. He knew that after him it would be almost unthinkable (absent an outright coup by Beria) for *another* Georgian to be top man in the USSR. It would give Georgia a vastly disproportionate role.

Although he was fond of Georgian songs like "Suliko" and of classic Georgian literature like Rustaveli's *The Knight in the Panther's Skin* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Knight_in_the_Panther's_Skin and although he always spoke Russian with a Georgian accent, it is a mistake to see Stalin as *politically* partial to Georgians. In criticizing the anti-centralist tendencies of some Georgian Communists in the 1920's he stated, "I have a notion that certain comrades who are working in a certain piece of Soviet territory called Georgia are not all there in their upper storeys..." https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1923/04/17.htm After World War II, "one day Stalin suddenly asked Beria why all his generals and security staff seemed to be Georgians. Beria answered that they were devoted and loyal. Stalin said angrily that not only Georgians but also Russians could be loyal..." https://books.google.com/books?id=rSgfbK0hi2UC&pg=PA257
 
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